Battery drain. Won't start. Not charging system?

Started by DavieDarkoR1, October 11, 2013, 04:46:27 PM

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J5

i dont care if you have been a mechanic for 10 years doing something for a long time does not make you good at it, take my gf for an example shes been walking for 28 years and still manages to fall over all the time.

Howie

Tell us exactly what you are reading and what you are doing please.

DavieDarkoR1

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Quote from: howie on October 30, 2013, 07:09:01 PM
Tell us exactly what you are reading and what you are doing please.

Sorry. Followed the directions from the website you suggested for the current draw test. I electrical taped the positive red probe to the disconnected ground cable. Set my multimeter 20m Amp setting. I then proceeded to touch the negative battery post with the neg black probe. The reading comes out to 0.11 amps for a short moment then lowers to 0.8 then to 0.1 where it remains until I remove it. Every so often it will read 0.13 > 0.11 > 0.9 > 0.1. I guess Im just wondering if I'm doing this correctly.

suzyj

If you've got your meter set to the 20mA setting, the readings you're getting are in milliamps, not amps.

0.13 milliamps is not a lot of current. Your battery is probably 12 amphours, so it'll supply 0.13 milliamps for many months before it goes flat.


2007 Monster 695 with a few mods.
2013 Piaggio Typhoon 50 2 stroke speed demon.

J5

so you now have your answer

your battery is stuffed as it wont hold a charge

go buy a new one and ride more often
i dont care if you have been a mechanic for 10 years doing something for a long time does not make you good at it, take my gf for an example shes been walking for 28 years and still manages to fall over all the time.

Howie

If you followed the perfectly you are not suffering from a drain.  J5 might be correct.  I quickly reread the thread.  I neglected to suggest what I almost always do!  Always fully charge (you did this) and load test the battery (I don't believe you did this) first.   In your case an alternate, crude shade tree method would be charge battery, remove negative cable, park bike for the same amount of time it is parked or longer, replace negative cable, try and start bike.  Since the battery was disconnected it did not drain.  No start?  Battery stuffed! 

koko64

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Shows how crude I am 8).

Discharge test: does it hold a full charge overnite (or week)?
Load test: how low does the voltage drop ln starting with the lights on (and fan for cars)? [laugh]
Charging test: does it reach 13V (14V for Li) after being on a charger for a few hours?

Yeah, I know, rough as guts ! ;D
2015 Scrambler 800

J5

Quote from: koko64 on November 01, 2013, 03:53:33 PM
Shows how crude I am 8).

Discharge test: does it hold a full charge overnite (or week)?
Load test: how low does the voltage drop ln starting with the lights on (and fan for cars)? [laugh]
Charging test: does it reach 13V (14V for Li) after being on a charger for a few hours?

Yeah, I know, rough as guts ! ;D

and you know what

that covers it all pretty easily without overthinking things too much
i dont care if you have been a mechanic for 10 years doing something for a long time does not make you good at it, take my gf for an example shes been walking for 28 years and still manages to fall over all the time.

DavieDarkoR1

Swapped battery with the one from my 749. I'm getting the same result. No one answered me wether if I'm supposed to be getting a solid value reading or the reading I'm getting that starts high then rapidly goes to .1

I'll try the load test with the lights on and the negative cable removed.

DavieDarkoR1

Quote from: koko64 on November 01, 2013, 03:53:33 PM
Shows how crude I am 8).

Discharge test: does it hold a full charge overnite (or week)?
Load test: how low does the voltage drop ln starting with the lights on (and fan for cars)? [laugh]
Charging test: does it reach 13V (14V for Li) after being on a charger for a few hours?

Yeah, I know, rough as guts ! ;D

It won't hold a full charge for more then a night. Full charge is 13.4 for this battery. Will read 12.8 the next day.

How do I load test it without the bike starting? Pull the plugs and let it flood? Lol

Howie

Two methods:

      Remove battery from bike.
      Fully charge battery.
      Take it to a shop with equipment to load test a battery.

      Or charge battery.
      Disable ignition.
      Place volt meter across battery.
      Crank for 15 seconds and watch voltage.  If it drops below 9.6 volts the battery is toast.

Best method is the first.

DavieDarkoR1

Quote from: howie on November 01, 2013, 10:36:06 PM
Two methods:

      Remove battery from bike.
      Fully charge battery.
      Take it to a shop with equipment to load test a battery.

      Or charge battery.
      Disable ignition.
      Place volt meter across battery.
      Crank for 15 seconds and watch voltage.  If it drops below 9.6 volts the battery is toast.

Best method is the first.

I know my batteries are good because both work flawlessly in my 749. I've had my monsters battery in my 749 for the past two days sitting and it started up fine with 11.7 volts according to the voltmeter on the bike.

I tried to find a place to load test my battery but no go. Cycle gear apparently got rid of theirs to replace it with a multimeter made by yuasa. My starter is wired separately from my kill switch on the 749 so ill do the load test for kicks.

DavieDarkoR1

Ended up putting my 749 battery in the monster and bike runs perfect now. I guess the monster is likes the yuasa. Bizarre