Dual Sport Bikes

[He Man]

The spring can't be changed without removing the reservoir??? I thought it was as simple as compressing the spring and popping off the collar and doing a swing swap like most shocks.

cogent sells a drop in kit for $400 vs them doing it for u completely for $700. I think I'm going to head that route.

koko, its a tm40 pumper carb from a Harley. I have the oem one as well.

[MendoDave]

Doesn't it have a remote reservoir that attaches above the spring? If not then great, you don't have to open the system.

[He Man]

Doesn't it have a remote reservoir that attaches above the spring? If not then great, you don't have to open the system.

Just out of curiosity, but what motorcycle shock doesn't have the resovoir hose above the spring or is cast in place?

[koko64]

koko, its a tm40 pumper carb from a Harley. I have the oem one as well.

The motor will love it. That makes a good deal even better.
I raced against big bore supermonos and the guys raved about the difference a good flatslide made to those single cylinder big bore motors. Think I'll pm Ung for some tuning tips (I got two TM 38s for an E750 I'm eyeing off).

[MendoDave]

Just out of curiosity, but what motorcycle shock doesn't have the resovoir hose above the spring or is cast in place?

I have no idea, but there is more than one way to skin a cat so you never know. Its been my experience with dirt bike shocks that the spring comes off on the top and removal of the reservoir hose is necessary, before removal of the hose, you have to bleed off the nitrogen on the reservoir. But if thats not the case with yours then it makes things easier.

[ungeheuer]

The motor will love it. That makes a good deal even better.
I raced against big bore supermonos and the guys raved about the difference a good flatslide made to those single cylinder big bore motors.

Yup.  Big improvement. 

Think I'll pm Ung for some tuning tips (I got two TM 38s for an E750 I'm eyeing off).

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php   

[He Man]

Big win today.

so i called up pro action, they said that if the sticker says VALVING on it, then it has the 3stage valving system (similar to racetechs, buthas high mid and low speed shim stacks and oil orfices).

Great, so the main reason why the rebound was bad was well. obvious now, the temperature, i was testing it in 10 degree weather and it rebounding like a dead horse. Which mean i just need the correct spring for my intended weight. Ill probably still send the shock over to them so they can do a rebuild on it for $100 and a spring for $112, rather than spring $625  for a new shock!

I just need to open up the front and take a look at whats in there, will probably do springs front and back.

If i could just find someone to do nitrogen recharges in NYC, id do it myself...my school has it, but they dont have a compatible valve system with their 4000PSI tank to a normal valve ( i have a special tool to charge up the bladder and shut off the gate before removing the hose).

Pic of the shock sticker here


and Proaction website:

http://pro-action.com/suspension.html

[MendoDave]

Big win today.

so i called up pro action, they said that if the sticker says VALVING on it, then it has the 3stage valving system (similar to racetechs, buthas high mid and low speed shim stacks and oil orfices).

Great, so the main reason why the rebound was bad was well. obvious now, the temperature, i was testing it in 10 degree weather and it rebounding like a dead horse. Which mean i just need the correct spring for my intended weight. Ill probably still send the shock over to them so they can do a rebuild on it for $100 and a spring for $112, rather than spring $625  for a new shock!

I just need to open up the front and take a look at whats in there, will probably do springs front and back.

If i could just find someone to do nitrogen recharges in NYC, id do it myself...my school has it, but they dont have a compatible valve system with their 4000PSI tank to a normal valve ( i have a special tool to charge up the bladder and shut off the gate before removing the hose).

Pic of the shock sticker here


and Proaction website:

http://pro-action.com/suspension.html

If you send it over to them they can do the nitrogen after the rebuild. I think you will be satisfied once you get it back from them.

[He Man]

Yes, I know they will recharge it after rebuilding it. I can rebuild it myself, I just can't get nitrogen.

[Estoma]

Not a single thing wrong with the DR650 but I struggle to work out how it ended up being a 'Dual Sport Bike' ?

Why ride a Thumper if you can have two pots of that size in a Dual Sport Bike that makes the Triumph and Yamaha competition look pedestrian and the R1200GS seem like a pregnant Moose, while you can keep up with real Sports Bikes any other day of the week should you want to?  No need for simple Japanese Mechanicals if you have proven (read legendary) KTM Electronics â€" 13 consequitative Dakar Wins on the trot and counting  .  1190 Adventure.

[He Man]

Umm. Unless you gonna buy me a KTM, then maybe you shouldn't tell  someone to buy one bike over another.

[ungeheuer]

Umm. Unless you gonna buy me a KTM, then maybe you shouldn't tell  someone to buy one bike over another.

He Man, he isnt gonna buy you a KTM, I'm not gonna buy you a KTM either.  You dont need it.  I could buy me a KTM to do the dual sport job, but I choose for me a more suitable ride.

Not a single thing wrong with the DR650 but I struggle to work out how it ended up being a 'Dual Sport Bike' ?

Why isn't it?    Goes anywhere the big boys can go, no tears shed when it falls over  

Why ride a Thumper if you can have two pots of that size in a Dual Sport Bike that makes the Triumph and Yamaha competition look pedestrian and the R1200GS seem like a pregnant Moose, while you can keep up with real Sports Bikes any other day of the week should you want to?  No need for simple Japanese Mechanicals if you have proven (read legendary) KTM Electronics â€" 13 consequitative Dakar Wins on the trot and counting  .  1190 Adventure.

Why?  Coz its cheap.  Why?  Coz its uncomplicated, basic, simple design have advantages.  Why?  Coz when you're spending hours changing your oil I'll be out riding.  Why? Coz when you drop yours and damage the water-works, I'll be kicking mine straight and riding on with a smile.  

Enjoy your sophisticated toy mate.  It sounds like it suits you well   .

Me?  I define dual sport.... differently.

Each to their own  

[The Mad King Pepe']

Not a single thing wrong with the DR650 but I struggle to work out how it ended up being a 'Dual Sport Bike' ?

Why ride a Thumper if you can have two pots of that size in a Dual Sport Bike that makes the Triumph and Yamaha competition look pedestrian and the R1200GS seem like a pregnant Moose, while you can keep up with real Sports Bikes any other day of the week should you want to?  No need for simple Japanese Mechanicals if you have proven (read legendary) KTM Electronics â€" 13 consequitative Dakar Wins on the trot and counting  .  1190 Adventure.

There's people with the skills & money who can ride like this: 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWIZfYQhgMc

Most of us couldn't manage that with a 125...   

I 'clicked' with my 990 Adventure the moment I sat on it, it's awesome, but I can't ride it like a thumper and the one time I tried, here's what happened (spoiler I got stuck and had to turn around):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj7nPRHFIpY



On the other side I'll take my F650GS through a bog

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ICqHLpg_A

on in the snow

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwzXK0bPc_0

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gJ9JsyIzA8

and not worry about it. I've bent handlebars, crashbars, footpeg brackets, beat up the stock bashplate and cracked a carbon-kevlar one. And every time I just pick it back up and ride. 

[Estoma]

Enjoy your sophisticated toy mate.  It sounds like it suits you well   .

Me?  I define dual sport.... differently.

Each to their own  

My post never intended to rag the DR650 or any of its Owners.  I do not even rag Massey-Ferguson Riders  .*  But having just taken delivery of an 1190 Adventure (and it will be doing two-up with full luggage 95% of the time when it runs), I thought this thread might feature its only worthy adversary IMHO, a MTS1200.  It didn't.  So nevertheless, after having read all of it, and having had experienced the entire journey down to the last page, I thought it would be OK to leave a Tourist's Remark in the Register.  Obviously it wasn't.

All of us men are generally plagued by fragile egos â€" it's in our genes, we cannot change that.  But it helps to play the ball, not the man, and to never lose the ability to break a grin rather than a jawbone.  No need to pass me your hanky  .  Enjoy those DR650s.  I cannot quite picture you kicking yours though; http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46656.msg1168096#msg1168096, or any of your Bikes, ever, for that matter.  BTW, I am still not strong enough to discuss any cricket yet  .

* not so sure of that Brand Name, it could well be Darley-Havidson  .

There's people with the skills & money who can ride like this: 

The Bike that you are talking about here is the 1190 Adventure R.  I bought the Plain Jane 'street version' - the 1190 Adventure (without the R).

Two completely different Bikes, also when you ride them.  Mine is a Street Bike that I can hit gravel roads with, on weekends with the wife.  I would never do that with the Monster - go off tarmac or take a pillion along.

True, each to their own  .  Keep on smiling!

[ungeheuer]

......having just taken delivery of an 1190 Adventure (and it will be doing two-up with full luggage 95% of the time when it runs), I thought this thread might feature its only worthy adversary IMHO, a MTS1200.  It didn't.  So nevertheless, after having read all of it, and having had experienced the entire journey down to the last page, I thought it would be OK to leave a Tourist's Remark in the Register.  Obviously it wasn't.

Of course you're entitled to participate!  MTS1200 may well be your machine's most worthy competitor, I wouldn't regard the MTS as a dual sport ride though.  Nice touring machine, but too complex/expensive/road biased to fit my definition of dual sport.  YMMV.

My post never intended to rag the DR650 or any of its Owners.

Really?  Coz this came across slightly  "mine's better than yours is"  Trollish IMO....

Why ride a Thumper if you can have two pots of that size in a Dual Sport Bike that makes the Triumph and Yamaha competition look pedestrian and the R1200GS seem like a pregnant Moose, while you can keep up with real Sports Bikes any other day of the week should you want to?  No need for simple Japanese Mechanicals if you have proven (read legendary) KTM Electronics â€" 13 consequitative Dakar Wins on the trot and counting  .  1190 Adventure.

You have fine motorcycle  .  You coulda just shared that, posted up some pictures, rather than asserting superiority over the OP's choice of simple Japanese thumper.

All of us men are generally plagued by fragile egos â€" it's in our genes, we cannot change that.

Spare me  

Enjoy those DR650s.  I cannot quite picture you kicking yours though; http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=46656.msg1168096#msg1168096, or any of your Bikes, ever, for that matter.

You're right.  No way I would be kicking just any of my bikes.  But I'm not here talking about any of my bikes.  I'm talking about my dual sport ride which I consider cheap and basic enough that I can it kick straight when the need arises.

You asked why a simple thumper when more powerful, more sophisticated choices are available.  I put forward my reasons  .

BTW, I am still not strong enough to discuss any cricket yet  .