Fire in my exhaust (2001 m600)

Started by Radracer6, March 23, 2014, 04:15:24 PM

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Dellikose

Remember that, after all of this is sorted, you're going to need to synchronize your carbs too.

1999 Ducati M900

Radracer6

Will try that. I know I keep coming back to this but could it be simply the fuel screws are set out too much? Or would that not affect the plugs as much

Dellikose

It's possible. Try one thing at a time - it wouldn't hurt and start ruling things out.

Just make sure you do the sync last.
1999 Ducati M900

Radracer6

Update

I put in new plugs and I rode the bike around. Still felt slight hesitation at the initial throttle open coming off the stop light but ran strong after 2k rpms and up.

Howie I tried turning in the idle mixture screws. The bike turned off when I had the screws about 1/4 turns out.

On the initial test ride I had them out 3.5 turns. I turned them in to 3 turns out and revved it a bit and seemed to not have some of the hesitation but could be the bike was properly warmed up at that pt.

how long before the new plugs will give me a good reading? I didn't ride more than 5 to 10 mins this time and pulled them, just saw slight grey coloring at the electrode but that's it.

Howie

Did you sink the throttles yet?  After that, find someone with an exhaust analyzer and check that the CO is between 3 and 6%.  If it is, your problem might be with the pilot jet.  Also, keep in mind the bike will never be silky smooth at low RPM.  Over the  internet we have no way of knowing how your bike is running.  You also need to rule out mechanical problems like a weak cylinder or vacuum leak.

Radracer6

Yes I've synced them.

I'll also have another look at the new plugs since the old ones were in before the snorkels were removed, new filter and exhaust. How long do I need to ride before they give me a decent reading?

Dellikose

Take it out for a normal ride. When you get home, try to hit the kill switch when the RPMs are near cruising speed if you can. Don't let the bike idle too long before checking the plugs, it will be less accurate.
1999 Ducati M900

Howie

Quote from: Dellikose on April 06, 2014, 05:26:50 PM
Take it out for a normal ride. When you get home, try to hit the kill switch when the RPMs are near cruising speed if you can. Don't let the bike idle too long before checking the plugs, it will be less accurate.

Yep, cruise, cut ignition, coast to the side of the road and check.  Obviously not on a road with traffic band observe extreme caution.  probably won't tell you much about your off idle transition problem though.

Radracer6

Great thanks.

The off idle hesitation is when I blip the throttle from idle.  I'm  really thinking it's because the idle mixture is too rich with the mixture screws being out too much.

Factory pro instructions said 3.5 out which is where I had them, while stock setting is 2.5 out and ducati suite recommended 2.75 out with factory pro on his 750. I will fiddle with that some more.

Radracer6

#24
Update. So i pulled the new plugs and heres what i saw

Front cylinder if im readinng right is running ok. Top looks grey.


Now the rear looks lean


I am thinking i may have an air leak? When i first got the bike it felt like it had no power on the highway and would continually rev up if i opened the throttle slightly. I found there were cracks in the hose that went from the crankcase blowoff to airbox. Once i taped that hose up it ran an revved correctly and power was back.

Now I'm experiencing the same symptoms again so I'm thinking air leak again and with the lean condition on the second plug. I sprayed some wd40 on the boots and the trumpets of the airbox but nothing. Looked over everything and didn't see much wrong. I saw cracks in the hoses coming off the carbs to the pods on the side so i taped them up and cut out the cracked pieces. What yall think? Am i missing anything looking for this airleak? Can the vacuum lines coming front the vacuum petcock and fuel pump into the intakes be causing a leak?

SpikeC

 Sounds to me like you need to replace a bunch of rubber stuff and not just tape it up.
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Howie

The pod hoses will not cause a vacuum leak, nor will the boots from the air box to the carbs.  Replace the bad hoses to the pods any way.  Keep in mind, the fat ones have filters.  The hoses to the pump and fuel shut off will though, as well the hoses to the charcoal canister if you still have one, or poorly sealed vacuum taps if it was eliminated.  Also make sure the intake runners do not leat where they attach to the carbs and heads.

Dellikose

One other place to look is if you have caps on the vacuum taps - they get brittle pretty quick.
1999 Ducati M900

Radracer6

QuoteThe hoses to the pump and fuel shut off will though
yes I'm thinking these may be it, only hoses i didn't replace, will check these asap.

Quotevacuum taps if it was eliminated,
QuoteOne other place to look is if you have caps on the vacuum taps - they get brittle pretty quick.
you guys mean where the nipples for the evap canister used to be attached to the intakes? There are bolts on there.

ok cool thanks for the info will check.

Howie

Yes.  The seal can be not so good.  A little RTV sealer on them is a good idea.