MotoGP Argentina 2014 - Spoilers, and lots of them!

[Triple J]

For GOTA, people typically counts championships won, because those tell a MUCH better story, as they stretch over a long period of time, filtering stars from meteors.
You could possibly have the best bike for 4 years, maybe sneak through a time with not many rivals on your same bike, and collect a bunch of wins.
Doing that for 15+ years, possibly on different categories and bikes, is what better defines a GOTA.

GOAT = Greatest Of All Time

Anyway, you can't directly compare championships because Ago won double championships in 5 seasons. That isn't even possible now, no matter how good a rider is. Take away 5 of those championships because they're double, and someone just needs to now win 10 to match. MM already has 3, in 3 different classes.

Rossi has 9, 7 in the premier class. Looks like he won't match Ago's number, or his overall win total. I'd still consider Rossi the GOAT though, due to the bikes he had to ride to win his championships. He's won championships on 125cc, 250cc, 500cc, 990cc, & 800 cc machines. If different categories and bikes is your criteria, then Rossi has it hands down.

...and MM will have a tough time beating Rossi's accomplishments, despite the fact that he might be better, as winning on that variety of machinery is no longer possible.

Just goes to show...it's hard to compare riders over different eras.

[1.21GW]

Anyway, you can't directly compare championships because Ago won double championships in 5 seasons. That isn't even possible now, no matter how good a rider is.

It wouldn't happen, but is there anything in the rules today that says a rider can't ride in both the MotoGP and Moto2 races (obviously, on appropriate bikes)?

Just curious.

[duccarlos]

You also have to look at the talent that's coming up the lower classes. Aleix would be up there with MM if he was riding the other Repsol. Iannone is holding his own on the shit Duc. Vinales won on his 2nd race in Moto2.

[derby]

I was comparing premier class wins. iirc that was the record Rossi was aiming for. If he hadn't lost momentum, he would have come close. Someone will have the stats..

ago had 68 wins in the premier class.

rossi (as of this post) has 80 premier-class wins (13 in 500gp and 67 in motogp).

rossi's been chasing ago's all-time record for a while.

[Spidey]

I'm pretty sure Rossi had sex with WAAAAAY more people than Ago.  GOAT.   

[koko64]

I don't know about that. That's the other championship.
Ago did pretty well from what they say (especially in the 60's-70's) .

[1.21GW]

I'm pretty sure Rossi had sex with WAAAAAY more people than Ago.  GOAT.   

Without knowing anything about their personal lives, I would disagree simply based on the fact that Ago raced in the 60s and 70s.  Free love era wins over modern media era. 

[DarkMonster620]

↑ plus Uscio is always around . . .

[koko64]

↑ plus Uscio is always around . . .

 

[Spidey]

Ago did pretty well from what they say (especially in the 60's-70's) .

Ago may have the overall numbers (which I do not concede), but Rossi has way more premiere class "wins."

[HotIce]

I'm pretty sure Rossi had sex with WAAAAAY more people than Ago.  GOAT.   

You know, it is likely the contrary 

[koko64]

I 'spose we'll know in a few years time if MM is on the right trajectory to challenge those guys.

IMO premier class wins count the most, but that's me and probably the wrong attitude. I'm working on the assumption that the big hp bikes are harder to ride.

[1.21GW]

I'm working on the assumption that the big hp bikes are harder to ride.

If harder to ride is a criterion, 500 two-stroke wins should count double anything else.  Never personally been on anything like one, but tradition has it they were untamed beasts.

[Triple J]

If harder to ride is a criterion, 500 two-stroke wins should count double anything else.  Never personally been on anything like one, but tradition has it they were untamed beasts.

I agree...and Rossi is the only one of the 3 being discussed to ride one. I think MM could though.

[derby]

I 'spose we'll know in a few years time if MM is on the right trajectory to challenge those guys.

he's more or less tracking rossi right now, but with an "extra" season in 125s and an "extra" championship in moto2.

he's got what it takes. the real question is who will come up from moto3 and moto2 to challenge him?

IMO premier class wins count the most, but that's me and probably the wrong attitude. I'm working on the assumption that the big hp bikes are harder to ride.

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/Statistics

Results for:
1st place finishes in MotoGP/500cc at All tracks in All years, for riders from All countries

80   Valentino Rossi   ITALY
68   Giacomo Agostini   ITALY
54   Mick Doohan   AUSTRALIA
38   Casey Stoner   AUSTRALIA
37   Mike Hailwood   GREAT BRITAIN
31   Jorge Lorenzo   SPAIN
31   Eddie Lawson   UNITED STATES
25   Kevin Schwantz   UNITED STATES
25   Dani Pedrosa   SPAIN
24   Wayne Rainey   UNITED STATES
22   Geoff Duke   GREAT BRITAIN
22   John Surtees   GREAT BRITAIN
22   Kenny Roberts   UNITED STATES
20   Freddie Spencer   UNITED STATES
19   Barry Sheene   GREAT BRITAIN
18   Wayne Gardner   AUSTRALIA
15   Alex Criville   SPAIN
13   Randy Mamola   UNITED STATES
13   Max Biaggi   ITALY
11   Phil Read   GREAT BRITAIN
9   Loris Capirossi   ITALY
9   Sete Gibernau   SPAIN
9   Marc Marquez   SPAIN