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Started by memper, October 09, 2014, 08:35:37 AM

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memper

#15
October 14, 2014, 06:05:38 AM
Thanks for those DP.
Speed- the pump is a stock in-tank pump for my '96 ss tank. It turns on the same time I turn the key.
My fuse box is set up just like the diagram I had posted.
I tried to use the latching 10a switch on the run/kill but only the light turned on (its an illuminated switch) and the start button was silent when pressed. Fuel pump ran as usual when the key was turned.
My guess is that at 10a, the latching switch isnt letting enough current to pass by, allowing the starter button to engage properly. Would that be a correct, albeit, over simplified explanation?
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ducpainter

#16
October 14, 2014, 06:19:32 AM
Did your 10a kill switch stop the pump?
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memper

#17
October 14, 2014, 06:44:57 AM
Nope. Should it?
Under stock switch conditions the pump runs until the key is turned off.
"Calling a bikini fairing on a monster a fairing is like calliing a girl in an actual bikini proper work attire....unless shes a stripper." -He Man

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Important: always check your battery filter and regularly change your headlight fluid.

ducpainter

#18
October 14, 2014, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: memper on October 14, 2014, 06:44:57 AM
Nope. Should it?
Under stock switch conditions the pump runs until the key is turned off.
No...

but I don't think the load on the trigger wire for the solenoid is anywhere near 10a. I think you have a different issue.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


Howie

#19
October 14, 2014, 02:59:54 PM
Pump should turn off with the kill switch, which is why bikes with an electric pump do not need a petcock or vacuum shut off for fuel.  The pump for a carburated bike draws much less amps than an FI pump.  Can you give us the schematic for your bike? 

ducpainter

#20
October 14, 2014, 03:44:54 PM
There is no such thing as a diagram for this bike howie.

It's a 750 Monster with an SS fuel tank grafted on.

He's the only one who knows how it's wired.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


Howie

#21
October 14, 2014, 04:12:36 PM
Yes, I meant his wiring diagram.

ducpainter

#22
October 14, 2014, 04:29:06 PM
Well...

he obviously has the pump wired to the ignition switch, and not the kill switch. :P
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


memper

#23
October 15, 2014, 04:11:54 AM
I think as a troubeshoot I will hook up the stock starter swich and see if that starts the bike.
"Calling a bikini fairing on a monster a fairing is like calliing a girl in an actual bikini proper work attire....unless shes a stripper." -He Man

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Important: always check your battery filter and regularly change your headlight fluid.

memper

#24
October 22, 2014, 10:06:47 AM Last Edit: October 22, 2014, 10:20:19 AM by memper
So I hooked up the stock kill switch and the new momentary and still no go.
The momentary from Plasmaglow has four wires. No directions except for wire explanation:

10A max current
Blue: +
Black: -
Yellow: Output
Red: Switch light

On the momentary switch I have the Black going to the harness Brown (-) and the Blue going to the harness Red/Blue (+)
On the box for the switch is says: "connect Red with Yellow for LED lit when pressed, or connect Red with 12v(+) for always on LED.
I have the Red and Yellow joined. Am I supposed to tie that in with the Blue (+) that goes to the harness Red/Blue (+) ?
Currently they are only joined to each other and the switch pos/neg are going to the harness pos/neg. Is this my problem area perhaps??

When I turn the key and hit the run switch, then press the starter, only the light on the switch turns on. All else is silent meaning no turning over, no clicking.

Also, I found the red owners manual with the wiring diagram. The fuses go: 30a main, 7.5a ignition, 15a headlight, 7.5a indicators, 7.5a stop, horn

So correct me if I am wrong, but the run/kill switch is a 7.5a line. In which case my two new 10a switches should be fine to use, no?
*EDIT* Just called the Plasmaglow company and indeed I am supposed to hook up all 3 wires to the harness (+): Red, Blue, and Yellow. Yeesh I'm a dunce.  [shot]
"Calling a bikini fairing on a monster a fairing is like calliing a girl in an actual bikini proper work attire....unless shes a stripper." -He Man

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Important: always check your battery filter and regularly change your headlight fluid.

memper

#25
October 27, 2014, 12:24:19 PM
Wired up the three mentioned wires to the positive on the starter. Still nothing. But this is with the new run switch. I guess what I will do is hook up the stock run switch and see if the new wiring configuration on the starter has any effect. In the mean time I will order up a new metripack.
"Calling a bikini fairing on a monster a fairing is like calliing a girl in an actual bikini proper work attire....unless shes a stripper." -He Man

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Important: always check your battery filter and regularly change your headlight fluid.

memper

#26
October 28, 2014, 10:10:02 AM Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 02:42:44 PM by memper
Finally got the wires sorted out.
As a test I hooked up the stock run switch and the new momentary starter. The light on the momentary starter was very bright and the bike started. Yay!
So I then hook up the new latching run switch and when I tried starting the light on the starter was dim and flickering. While the engine was turning over, it would not catch and start up.

This leads me to believe that the new run switch is not adequate at 10A even though that line is said to be a 7.5A switch. Or its just human error. Thoughts?  [coffee]
"Calling a bikini fairing on a monster a fairing is like calliing a girl in an actual bikini proper work attire....unless shes a stripper." -He Man

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Important: always check your battery filter and regularly change your headlight fluid.

ducpainter

#27
October 28, 2014, 03:03:55 PM
By the numbers the 10A switch should be adequate.

Bad connections, or a faulty switch could cause your problem.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


memper

#28
October 28, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
Well a new metripack kit is on the way (destroyed the male half of the plastic housing bc the male pins didn't wanna budge). After that if still nothing then maybe the company will replace the switch.
"Calling a bikini fairing on a monster a fairing is like calliing a girl in an actual bikini proper work attire....unless shes a stripper." -He Man

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Important: always check your battery filter and regularly change your headlight fluid.

memper

#29
October 29, 2014, 06:59:42 AM
To bench test the latching switch, use a meter set to continuity?
"Calling a bikini fairing on a monster a fairing is like calliing a girl in an actual bikini proper work attire....unless shes a stripper." -He Man

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Important: always check your battery filter and regularly change your headlight fluid.
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