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ducatiz

May 11, 2015, 12:40:31 PM
Rear axle is the same.

Front axle is bigger.

Forks are sorted and upgraded -- do not want to swap.

Any quick and dirty for putting the bigger axle wheel on the small axle forks?
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ducpainter

#1
May 11, 2015, 12:43:40 PM
There's issues with bearing thicknesses that will give you fits with spacers and the speedo drive IIRC. I might be wrong, but no easy button I'm afraid.
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ducatiz

#2
May 11, 2015, 12:47:30 PM
I was thinking of making a sleeve for the old axle and sizing it up against the bearings, but that might be suicidal..
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ducpainter

#3
May 11, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on May 11, 2015, 12:47:30 PM
I was thinking of making a sleeve for the old axle and sizing it up against the bearings, but that might be suicidal..
I think it would work as long as the sleeve didn't turn. You might never get it out again if it welded it self to the axle because it was acting as a bushing instead of a sleeve.
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ducatiz

#4
May 11, 2015, 01:12:49 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on May 11, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
I think it would work as long as the sleeve didn't turn. You might never get it out again if it welded it self to the axle because it was acting as a bushing instead of a sleeve.

didn't turn in relation to the axle?  that makes sense, but i don't know how that could work... 

oh well..

bore the forks?
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#5
May 11, 2015, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on May 11, 2015, 01:12:49 PM
didn't turn in relation to the axle?  that makes sense, but i don't know how that could work... 

oh well..

bore the forks?
I suppose you could use a sleeve retaining compound and locate the sleeve in the bearings. You could use all the stock parts

Loctite 640. I've used it to keep bushings inside worn out bores in tractors.
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MotoPsycho

#6
May 11, 2015, 07:25:17 PM
I'm running into similar conundrums, only reversed. Want to upgrade forks to SBK w/ 40mm calipers but keep 20mm axle wheels. Spacers and all that have my head in a warple.
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monsta

#7
May 12, 2015, 06:52:00 AM
I did this before I found the money for BST's

I bored the front wheel 1mm deeper for the bigger bearing to fit.
If it needs to be changed back I could make a 1mm spacer and fit the old bearing size.

I dont use them any more and was think of selling if anyone wants em. They have new paint as well....
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ducatiz

#8
May 12, 2015, 09:12:37 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on May 11, 2015, 01:17:35 PM
I suppose you could use a sleeve retaining compound and locate the sleeve in the bearings. You could use all the stock parts

Loctite 640. I've used it to keep bushings inside worn out bores in tractors.

I think it would make removing the wheel impossible later, no? 

How do I remove the axle if there is a bush inside that is bigger than the axle mount?

I think this is actually the setup on the Pantah, there is a sleeve inside the wheel..  i'll take a look at that.. but it's not loctited, it is free floating.  No bearing.
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ducpainter

#9
May 12, 2015, 10:56:49 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on May 12, 2015, 09:12:37 AM
I think it would make removing the wheel impossible later, no? 

How do I remove the axle if there is a bush inside that is bigger than the axle mount?

I think this is actually the setup on the Pantah, there is a sleeve inside the wheel..  i'll take a look at that.. but it's not loctited, it is free floating.  No bearing.
I'm not seeing that.

The sleeve would be inserted into the bearings and loctited to them. It would stay with the wheel. You'd have to heat the sleeve to remove it from the bearings if necessary.

The axle would pass though the sleeve like it was the inner bearing race.

There's a bearing spacer on all of them. Is that what you're thinking of on the Pantah?
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ducatiz

#10
May 12, 2015, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on May 12, 2015, 10:56:49 AM
I'm not seeing that.

The sleeve would be inserted into the bearings and loctited to them. It would stay with the wheel. You'd have to heat the sleeve to remove it from the bearings if necessary.

The axle would pass though the sleeve like it was the inner bearing race.

There's a bearing spacer on all of them. Is that what you're thinking of on the Pantah?

yup.  that's it.  so you're saying to use the same bearings and the sleeve would go inside them.?
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ducpainter

#11
May 12, 2015, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on May 12, 2015, 11:36:10 AM
yup.  that's it.  so you're saying to use the same bearings and the sleeve would go inside them.?
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ducatiz

#12
May 12, 2015, 06:23:12 PM
It seems very do-able then. The sleeve would be installed before the wheel is installed.

Instead of the axle turning directly on the bearing, it would turn on the sleeve.

Hmm.. maybe better to use different bearings..  shit.. 
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Dirty Duc

#13
May 12, 2015, 09:37:24 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on May 12, 2015, 06:23:12 PM
It seems very do-able then. The sleeve would be installed before the wheel is installed.

Instead of the axle turning directly on the bearing, it would turn on the sleeve.

Hmm.. maybe better to use different bearings..  shit.. 
No, the axle doesn't turn on the bearings.  The inside race of the bearing is clamped by the spacer bits and the axle and stays stationary with the axle.  The outside of the bearing turns with the wheel.  The sleeve gets clamped with the inside race by the axle.

ducpainter

#14
May 13, 2015, 02:47:33 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on May 12, 2015, 06:23:12 PM
It seems very do-able then. The sleeve would be installed before the wheel is installed.

Instead of the axle turning directly on the bearing, it would turn on the sleeve.

Hmm.. maybe better to use different bearings..  shit.. 
The axle doesn't turn.

The axle and the inner bearing race are stationary being clamped by the spacer when you tighten the axle.

It will be critical the sleeve is exactly the same length as the distance from outside to outside of the inner bearing races when installed in the wheel.
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