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Started by samuraibiker, October 06, 2015, 06:51:45 AM

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samuraibiker

#30
October 22, 2015, 06:41:43 AM
hey tbyte

the click that i hear is coming from the main relay which is under the seat...

will try what you did ...fingers crossed


UPDATE------- ingition switch arrived.... connected it..... nothing.... so down to 2 possibilities

1. solenoid

2. wiring between switch and solenoid

my money is on number 1.... just ordered a yamaha solenoid for 12 bucks and will get the terminal kit from CA cycleworks......

to be continued....
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tbyte

#31
October 22, 2015, 10:58:08 PM
Unfortunately I was mistaken in thinking it was a loose connector on mine.  My above remedy no longer works on my bike.  I pulled the connector off the solenoid and I get no continuity on circuit when starter depressed.  Have you a multi-meter? 

Howie

#32
October 23, 2015, 04:44:33 AM
Are you getting power at the white connector when you hit the starter button? 

tbyte

#33
October 23, 2015, 05:58:06 AM Last Edit: October 23, 2015, 01:08:56 PM by tbyte
If you are asking me I just checked the continuity setting (tone).  But I will answer maybe because rather than getting zero w/tone or one (no circuit) it was reading 1.7 or something.  But I will run the tests this afternoon.

edit: I guess I had lucked out when poking the relay got me home.  I have power at white connector and when I jump the two connectors on relay she cranks.

Howie

#34
October 23, 2015, 01:29:23 PM
Well actually both of you.  You want to see battery voltage at the small + on the connector when the key is on and you hit the starter button.  If so, ignition switch, relay and staerter button are all working as well as the relay.

samuraibiker

#35
October 24, 2015, 03:06:11 AM
hey howie

i have a multimeter and i really do need  to check voltage at the white connector...

saturday night here in Japan now... wifey wants to watch some garbage on the TV so it`s bike night [Dolph]
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samuraibiker

#36
October 24, 2015, 04:56:43 AM
hey howie

to test if there is power at the connector, how do i connect the meter?

cheers

mike
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ducpainter

#37
October 24, 2015, 05:13:31 AM
I'm not howie, but connect one lead of the meter to each wire in the white connector with the meter set on DC volts. The result should be within tenths of volts of battery voltage.
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Howie

#38
October 24, 2015, 07:15:52 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on October 24, 2015, 05:13:31 AM
I'm not howie, but connect one lead of the meter to each wire in the white connector with the meter set on DC volts. The result should be within tenths of volts of battery voltage.

That will work  [thumbsup], plus you will be testing for a good ground at the same time.

samuraibiker

#39
October 24, 2015, 07:22:13 PM
hey ducp...sorry about that

that is what i did last night.... the 2 prongs of the meter inserted into the 2 holes of the white connector..... voltage reading of zero...

i know the switch is good ( replacement one from a friend who guarantees me it is fine ), new battery..fully charged... new main relay and I just got a yamaha ignition solenoid ( dirt cheap here ) and the engine cranks when i short the solenoid

but if there is no volatge when i turn the key and press the starter button then it must be a wiring problem between the connector behind the headlight and the white connector.... right?

beautiful fall weather and the bike is sitting in the garage...ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


mike
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ducpainter

#40
October 25, 2015, 04:11:36 AM
Or...a kill switch problem.

Check the harness where it wraps around the steering head. It's a common area to find broken wires.
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samuraibiker

#41
October 25, 2015, 08:04:27 PM
new ignition starter solenoid arrived today

will check out the wiring area as you said....

the saga continues.........
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samuraibiker

#42
October 26, 2015, 07:14:57 AM
ok.... new solenoid arrived

quite easy to take out without taking the airbox off!

bit harder to get the new one`s rubber casing to sit on the prongs on the frame.....

anyway... managed to get it on, connected up, hooked up the battery, turned on the ignition key, hit the starter button and.................... nothing  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

so...as ducp and howie have suggested, it is a broken wire.

i was down at my local jap bike shop getting some help with a allen bolt that would not budge on my suzuki and i asked them if they would have a look at it.. they said yes so its going down there next monday.......if its purely a wiring problem they said it shouldnt be so difficult....

keep tuned for more information....
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SpikeC

#43
October 26, 2015, 09:45:35 AM
 A very similar situation developed on my old K100 BMW, with around 140k on it, it turned out to be a wire at the steering head!
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ducpainter

#44
October 26, 2015, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: SpikeC on October 26, 2015, 09:45:35 AM
A very similar situation developed on my old K100 BMW, with around 140k on it, it turned out to be a wire at the steering head!
By the steering head you say...imagine that. :o :o ;D
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    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


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