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[1.21GW]

C'mon people...it isn't hard to understand.

MM crashed because he was pushed wide intentionally by VR. Sure he could have run off track and probably avoided the crash. But again, he would have been run off track intentionally.

The underlined word is the key here.

The guy with the inside line DOES NOT have the right to intentionally run someone off track. Period. In any racing.

Sure, it happens as part of racing...i.e., running wide and forcing someone off track, or losing the front and crashing someone out. That is a racing incident, and it happens all of the time. Rossi wasn't penalized for when he took Stoner out on the Honda a few years back for this reason. It was a racing incident. It happens.

There also is a gray area...a rider can "accidentally" run wide and push someone off track...i.e., "grass them". Not really allowed, but about impossible to prove if the rider appears to be racing.

What VR did is unacceptable. He SAT UP, SLOWED DOWN, and LOOKED at MM while he ran him wide. He deserved what he got as far as the penalty goes. Face it, he let his emotions get the better of him, and made a very bad decision.

This doesn't excuse MM's riding, which was overly aggressive (but clean) given the circumstances.

I'm also still cheering for VR to win the WC...but c'mon, take the yellow tinted glasses off!

I think what the yellow-tinted tribe is saying is that MM could have easily avoided crashing if he slowed down and stood up the bike like Rossi.  That doesn't excuse Rossi because, as you stressed, he intentionally ran a rider wide, which is a punishable offense regardless of whether MM crashed as a result or not.  The crash only made the incident worse.

[rufus1138]

Yacht racing?!! WTF

Yes yacht racing because the Americas cup has just as much split second decision making and tension as motogp and this would be insanity in yacht racing.

Now all of a sudden the underlined word is that rossi forced him wide, before the underlined word was that rossi caused the crash, that mm had no other choice but to go down and on that I call bs, no excuse, and that's what's sour about the whole decision, if mm hadnt crashed like a doof then rossi would not be penalized as harshly and we would still have a valid battle for the championship.

And there's no way you can convince any reasonable person that crashing was mm's only choice, the sequence happened so freaking slow my mom could've braked and tucked around the back side of vr.

[Triple J]

You're right, MM likely could have avoided the crash. It's especially easy to see his other options from the couch.  

Rossi still caused the crash though. Not directly with the so-called "kick", but by putting MM in that situation to begin with. I agree that if MM would have stayed up the penalty would have been less harsh...likely 2 points on his license instead of 3. But he crashed.

Rossi brought the penalty on himself by broadcasting it the way he did. No way Dorna could let that stand as a precedent for the future.

[1.21GW]

You're right, MM likely could have avoided the crash. It's especially easy to see his other options from the couch.  

Couch racing is the only racing for me.  I'm also a helluva couch politician and couch quarterback as well.  Like, Abe Lincoln and Joe Montana good. 

[Triple J]

I also still think we have a valid battle for the championship. JLo spotted VR a bunch of points early on in the season...VR was kind enough to spot JLo a few starting positions for the last race of the season.  

Did you VR fans think the championship was potentially spoiled in 2006 when Pedrobot took out Hayden and gave VR a chance for the title in Valencia? I'll bet if VR had won that year, there wouldn't be a single VR fan that though the WC was tainted by the actions of Pedrosa.

It's racing...weird stuff happens. Both VR and JLo both deserve to win. We'll see who actually does. If MM and/or Pedro beats JLo (very likely) and VR wins by finishing 6th, then what? Is the WC tainted because MM and Pedrobot should have just let them both go by?

[m9hundo]

Couch racing is the only racing for me.  I'm also a helluva couch politician and couch quarterback as well.  Like, Abe Lincoln and Joe Montana good. 

[rufus1138]

We all couch race because we wish we were race direction,

[ducpainter]

C'mon people...it isn't hard to understand.

MM crashed because he was pushed wide intentionally by VR. Sure he could have run off track and probably avoided the crash. But again, he would have been run off track intentionally.

The underlined word is the key here.

The guy with the inside line DOES NOT have the right to intentionally run someone off track. Period. In any racing.

Sure, it happens as part of racing...i.e., running wide and forcing someone off track, or losing the front and crashing someone out. That is a racing incident, and it happens all of the time. Rossi wasn't penalized for when he took Stoner out on the Honda a few years back for this reason. It was a racing incident. It happens.

There also is a gray area...a rider can "accidentally" run wide and push someone off track...i.e., "grass them". Not really allowed, but about impossible to prove if the rider appears to be racing.

What VR did is unacceptable. He SAT UP, SLOWED DOWN, and LOOKED at MM while he ran him wide. He deserved what he got as far as the penalty goes. Face it, he let his emotions get the better of him, and made a very bad decision.

This doesn't excuse MM's riding, which was overly aggressive (but clean) given the circumstances.

I'm also still cheering for VR to win the WC...but c'mon, take the yellow tinted glasses off!

I don't care who wins...and my glasses are clear. We see it differently is all.

Marquez did not have to crash because Rossi pushed him wide J.

I understand what you're saying, but he brought it on himself.

[1.21GW]

I also still think we have a valid battle for the championship. JLo spotted VR a bunch of points early on in the season...VR was kind enough to spot JLo a few starting positions for the last race of the season.  

Did you VR fans think the championship was potentially spoiled in 2006 when Pedrobot took out Hayden and gave VR a chance for the title in Valencia? I'll bet if VR had won that year, there wouldn't be a single VR fan that though the WC was tainted by the actions of Pedrosa.

It's racing...weird stuff happens. Both VR and JLo both deserve to win. We'll see who actually does. If MM and/or Pedro beats JLo (very likely) and VR wins by finishing 6th, then what? Is the WC tainted because MM and Pedrobot should have just let them both go by?

Fair point.  I always marvel at how upset people are with a player who blew it in the last 2 minutes of an NBA game.  C'mon people, the game is 48 minutes long.  The missed layup at 1:20 counts as much as the missed layup at 47:20.

MotoGP season is 18 races.  No one wins a championship in one race.  JLo or Rossi, whoever it is will have earned it.  I just hope it's not JLo.

[greycode]

I'm also still cheering for VR to win the WC...but c'mon, take the yellow tinted glasses off!

You ain't the boss of me!!!

[duccarlos]

I'm all for being a diehard fan. If you're a true fan you will root for your team even if they suck. And you celebrate when they win.

The difference between a true fan and a fanboy is the amount of delusion. I reeeeeeeaaaaally want Rossi to win the championship, but you have to be delusional watching Rossi slow down and look back at a guy as he's pushing him off the track and still blame the guy for the situation. If you still question it, get someone that has never really watch motorcycle racing and show them the video of the battle prior to the event and the actual event. They will look at it and say that Rossi is a douche. Rossi make the beast with two backsed up. Accepting this does not make you less of a Rossi fan.

[Triple J]

I understand what you're saying, but he brought it on himself.

They both deserved what they got IMO.

[DarkMonster620]

I'm all for being a diehard fan. If you're a true fan you will root for your team even if they suck. And you celebrate when they win.

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that's why I am a DUCATI fan . .. no matter who is ON the bike, well, except when vr was I was a following the other guy

[kopfjäger]

You're right, MM likely could have avoided the crash. It's especially easy to see his other options from the couch.  

 

[SpikeC]

The incident was slow enough, why didn't MM tuck inside of Rossi and motor off?