Issue with latest oil filters from K&N <Update 5/20/16>

Started by Speeddog, April 27, 2016, 08:13:20 PM

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Charlie98

Quote from: Speeddog on May 11, 2016, 12:51:20 PM
Don't think for even a heartbeat that I'm letting this drop.

The real question is weather they are just shipping you correct (Chinese) filters, or they have actually fixed the process (Taiwan.)

They can make the beast with two backsing filter any beast with two backs where they want, but they need to be serviceable.
Dennis

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1993 XR650L (the Torque-a-Saurus)

Wherever you go, there you are...

Speeddog

Quote from: Charlie98 on May 11, 2016, 09:12:17 PM
The real question is weather they are just shipping you correct (Chinese) filters, or they have actually fixed the process (Taiwan.)

They can make the beast with two backsing filter any beast with two backs where they want, but they need to be serviceable.

They specified that the replacements they're sending me are the Made in China units.

He did not say that they had fixed the problem at the source in Thailand.
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GK

2001 Ducati  Monster 900S ie
JE high comp pistons, bit of porting, open airbox with DP filter, PC3 with custom map, CCW matched injectors, Termignoni cf slip ons, 14:39 gearing.

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GK

Quote from: koko64 on May 11, 2016, 07:00:50 PMI ordered 3 x Ryco RMZ106 filters from my local auto parts store today from their new moto specific line. [thumbsup]

Can get them cheap too at $15. The lack of hex nut is not cool though.

I'll check my last remaining 153 using the pics posted above. Cheers Speeddog!
2001 Ducati  Monster 900S ie
JE high comp pistons, bit of porting, open airbox with DP filter, PC3 with custom map, CCW matched injectors, Termignoni cf slip ons, 14:39 gearing.

Gone but not forgotten!
Honda VFR800i, Honda CBR600F3, Honda CBX750, Norton Commando 750S, Suzuki GS750, Yamaha XT250, Kawasaki Z250, Kawasaki KX80, Honda XL250, Suzuki TC100.

GK

Checked my two remaining. They look to be the good ones. One says 'Made in China' the other, although visually the same, hasn't got the country of manufacture listed anywhere.

It has the 8 holes and no red anti-drain valve.

As long as it DOESN'T say Made in Thailand I reckon I'm okay. ðŸ'ðŸ»ðŸ'ðŸ»
2001 Ducati  Monster 900S ie
JE high comp pistons, bit of porting, open airbox with DP filter, PC3 with custom map, CCW matched injectors, Termignoni cf slip ons, 14:39 gearing.

Gone but not forgotten!
Honda VFR800i, Honda CBR600F3, Honda CBX750, Norton Commando 750S, Suzuki GS750, Yamaha XT250, Kawasaki Z250, Kawasaki KX80, Honda XL250, Suzuki TC100.

koko64

Whew! My last one is made in China too. Never thought I'd say that. The Ryco are made in Thailand.
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koko64

Taking a closer look at the Ryco filters, they have the extra holes and the plate is not as convex as the good K&N. They do appear to be generally better quality than the bad K&N and do have more thread depth. I will have to try one and see how many turns I get after the seal contacts.
2015 Scrambler 800

GK





Interesting!

One (China made) has the silver band, the other doesn't!
There's obvious marking/instructions differences PLUS I noticed that the inside of the filter is different!
The oil holes/channels look to be different, as is the colour of the paper filtration.
I may have a non made in Thailand non genuine copy! Lol!

So I had another look. Although on the filter that I'm suspecting is dodgy it doesn't indicate the country of manufacture, I scanned the box again and there, right down the bottom, in small print, it reads... Thailand!
2001 Ducati  Monster 900S ie
JE high comp pistons, bit of porting, open airbox with DP filter, PC3 with custom map, CCW matched injectors, Termignoni cf slip ons, 14:39 gearing.

Gone but not forgotten!
Honda VFR800i, Honda CBR600F3, Honda CBX750, Norton Commando 750S, Suzuki GS750, Yamaha XT250, Kawasaki Z250, Kawasaki KX80, Honda XL250, Suzuki TC100.

DarkMonster620

the branding says K&N Performance vs K&N Powersports   ???
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Speeddog

Minor update.
Received the replacement filters as promised, and they were the good version.

I'll check to see if the branding on the 'good' and 'bad' filters are different on the ones I've got.

This is the crucial difference, bad filter on the left:



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Charlie98

Quote from: DarkMonster620 on May 15, 2016, 05:31:55 AM
the branding says K&N Performance vs K&N Powersports   ???

Something else...  the Thai 'K&N' doesn't have the circle-R registered logo after the brand, and the typeset is different.  High-end brands take great pains to maintain their logo is displayed properly... I'm thinking more and more these are knockoffs.
Dennis

2013 M796 ABS
1993 XR650L (the Torque-a-Saurus)

Wherever you go, there you are...

Speeddog

K&N have had two weeks to say "Counterfeit!", and haven't even mentioned anything even remotely hinting at that.

That leaves the only option that the Thailand units are genuine.
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Reseda, CA

(951) 640-8908


~~~ "We've rearranged the deck chairs, refilled the champagne glasses, and the band sounds great. This is fine." - Alberto Puig ~~~

Speeddog

The Thailand filter I have has the same style "K&N Performance" logo, with the ® as well.
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Reseda, CA

(951) 640-8908


~~~ "We've rearranged the deck chairs, refilled the champagne glasses, and the band sounds great. This is fine." - Alberto Puig ~~~

koko64



Ryco filter. A good quality Aussie company. We will see if this filter has similar issues.
2015 Scrambler 800

koko64



We will see if the filter grabs enough thread. The quality is usually very good, but the plate is not as convex as the good K&N filter. It is made in Thailand too. Ryco get them made everywhere like many companies. The contact plate appears more convex than the almost flat plated bad K&N filter, so it is somewhere in between..
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