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Dmitry

July 14, 2016, 11:59:12 PM Last Edit: July 15, 2016, 12:00:47 AM by Dmitry
Hi forum! I think to change my engine M900 (1997 year) on engine from M900 (2002 year) but 2002 year is injector and it have crankshaft sensor. Not two hall sensors from 1997 year engine. I am right? Can I change on 2002 engine with my carburetor. What do you think? [Dolph]

ducpainter

#1
July 15, 2016, 03:59:11 AM
You'll need to make some other arrangement for ignition like an ignitek. You can put your carbs/manifolds on the motor.

You'll also need to work out the wiring for the 3 phase alternator on the new motor, change to a different R/R, and open up the engine mount holes on your frame to 12 mm.

I'm sure there are things I'm missing.
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Dmitry

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July 15, 2016, 06:59:31 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 15, 2016, 03:59:11 AM
You'll need to make some other arrangement for ignition like an ignitek. You can put your carbs/manifolds on the motor.

You'll also need to work out the wiring for the 3 phase alternator on the new motor, change to a different R/R, and open up the engine mount holes on your frame to 12 mm.

I'm sure there are things I'm missing.
ohhh... [bang] then easier to buy a similar 1993-1998 engine with carburetors 3 phase generator and two hall sensors [coffee]

ducpainter

#3
July 15, 2016, 07:11:05 AM
Certainly easier if you don't have to mess with ignition. The charging system shouldn't be a big deal.
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Düb Lüv

#4
July 15, 2016, 08:16:22 AM
If possible when buying a single phase motor. Try to get one with V2 stamped cylinder heads. 96-98 were kinda questionable years about either W2(small valve) or V2(big valve) heads.
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ducpainter

#5
July 15, 2016, 08:30:49 AM
Quote from: Düb Lüv on July 15, 2016, 08:16:22 AM
If possible when buying a single phase motor. Try to get one with V2 stamped cylinder heads. 96-98 were kinda questionable years about either W2(small valve) or V2(big valve) heads.
Pretty sure 96 was a safe bet for V2 heads. They also had the oil cooled cylinders...at least mine does.
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Dmitry

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July 29, 2016, 06:16:33 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 15, 2016, 03:59:11 AM
You'll need to make some other arrangement for ignition like an ignitek. You can put your carbs/manifolds on the motor.

You'll also need to work out the wiring for the 3 phase alternator on the new motor, change to a different R/R, and open up the engine mount holes on your frame to 12 mm.

I'm sure there are things I'm missing.
yes. R/R i will change. but what about mount holes on frame to 12 mm. what is it?

ducpainter

#7
July 29, 2016, 06:24:06 AM
You just need to open up the frame holes so the larger mount bolts fit through the holes because the cases have bigger holes on the later motors.

On the rear bolt, the one that threads into the frame, you can either tap the hole or use a nut.
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Dmitry

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July 29, 2016, 06:49:22 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 29, 2016, 06:24:06 AM
You just need to open up the frame holes so the larger mount bolts fit through the holes because the cases have bigger holes on the later motors.

On the rear bolt, the one that threads into the frame, you can either tap the hole or use a nut.
how i can install crankshaft sensor from 2002 engine instead my two hall sensors from 1997 year engine?

ducpainter

#9
July 29, 2016, 06:53:28 AM
Quote from: Dmitry on July 29, 2016, 06:49:22 AM
how i can install crankshaft sensor from 2002 engine instead my two hall sensors from 1997 year engine?
Only way I know is to use an ignitek.
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Düb Lüv

#10
July 29, 2016, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on July 29, 2016, 06:53:28 AM
Only way I know is to use an ignitek.

Yep. I have a nice harness that's plug and play for mine.
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Speeddog

#11
July 29, 2016, 10:29:40 AM
Quote from: Düb Lüv on July 29, 2016, 09:59:41 AM
Yep. I have a nice harness that's plug and play for mine.

Do tell!

What's the configuration parameters you're using?
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Düb Lüv

#12
July 29, 2016, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: Speeddog on July 29, 2016, 10:29:40 AM
Do tell!

What's the configuration parameters you're using?

About as much as I can tell you is that I have the harness, and its sitting on my shelf. That's about as far as i got. But it's there.
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Speeddog

#13
July 29, 2016, 08:39:03 PM
Quote from: Düb Lüv on July 29, 2016, 11:33:11 AM
About as much as I can tell you is that I have the harness, and its sitting on my shelf. That's about as far as i got. But it's there.

Any documentation of which pins connect to the trigger?
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Dirty Duc

#14
July 29, 2016, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: Speeddog on July 29, 2016, 08:39:03 PM
Any documentation of which pins connect to the trigger?
http://www.ignitech.cz/zdroj/en/vyrobky/tcip/manual/Ducati%20900SS%20Digiplex_TCIP4.doc

That should do you... the trigger wants +5v, Sensor ground, and CKPS 1. They correspond to the Ducati equivalents... I'll check on the race bike tomorrow (not using an ignitek, but I did have to figure out the pins).
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