Another plastic tank question...

[Charlie98]

I was combing through one of the Other Ducati forums, and someone made a comment that the '13 796 Monster was not affected by the swelling plastic tank issue... that true?  I'm still sort of confused about when Ducati actually fixed the swelling tank issue with a reconfigured part (i.e. reformulated material.)

I've not had the tank off my 796 yet... just wondering what I'm going to find.  My bike set for about a year with ethanol-blend fuel in it, pre me.  I have it changed over to non-eth fuel at this point.

[ducpainter]

I'm not aware of any different material.

PA6 nylon was originally chosen due to it's lack of permeability so it would pass muster in all 50 states. The fact that water affects it was overlooked.

[Charlie98]

I'm not aware of any different material.

PA6 nylon was originally chosen due to it's lack of permeability so it would pass muster in all 50 states. The fact that water affects it was overlooked.

Kind of what I was thinking...

[koko64]

Is your tank swelling? Can you source pure fuel?

[Charlie98]

 I have it changed over to non-eth fuel at this point.

I don't know if it's swelling, but I'm not taking any chances....

[Curmudgeon]

I don't know if it's swelling, but I'm not taking any chances....

My dealer has only changed a couple and he's large and in VA. More problems reported in CA IIRC. They shouldn't even call that "gas". 

Like you, I keep my tank full of stabilized E-0 to limit condensation and only use E-10 if I get caught on the road, but top up with E-0 when I get back to the barn. Always figured I'd replace mine with a PEX tank from Europe if I ever had an issue, but so far, touch wood, no issue.

[Charlie98]

My dealer has only changed a couple and he's large and in VA. More problems reported in CA IIRC. They shouldn't even call that "gas". 

Like you, I keep my tank full of stabilized E-0 to limit condensation and only use E-10 if I get caught on the road, but top up with E-0 when I get back to the barn. Always figured I'd replace mine with a PEX tank from Europe if I ever had an issue, but so far, touch wood, no issue.

My primary concern is because it sat idle for so long.  I don't think there was a full tank (when I picked it up, the low fuel light was on) but I don't really know how long it sat and how much fuel was in it.  He rode it very little the last year.

[Curmudgeon]

If you don't notice anything, you're probably good to go. The worst thing from sitting with un-stabilized fuel might be a gunked up fuel system. Just use some red Sta-Bil periodically. It will gently clean the fuel system. If you had issues, then Seafoam might be the RX.

PS. Best to not mix fuel stabilizers as some may not be compatible with others...

[Charlie98]

If you don't notice anything, you're probably good to go. The worst thing from sitting with un-stabilized fuel might be a gunked up fuel system. Just use some red Sta-Bil periodically. It will gently clean the fuel system. If you had issues, then Seafoam might be the RX.

PS. Best to not mix fuel stabilizers as some may not be compatible with others...

Ha!  That's my exact recipe!

I actually stabilize my non-ethanol gas, because I store it in gas cans, and then run a wee bit of SeaFoam just to keep everything cleaned out.

[ducpainter]

Ha!  That's my exact recipe!

I actually stabilize my non-ethanol gas, because I store it in gas cans, and then run a wee bit of SeaFoam just to keep everything cleaned out.

One man's opinion...too many chemicals.

[Charlie98]

One man's opinion...too many chemicals.

Depends...  our gas here in Texas is garbage, in many cases.  Much of it depends on where it comes from (which terminal) and where you are getting it from (retail location.)  I never know how much gas I'll be going through (i.e. how long it sets in gas cans in my garage) and the fact that almost all non-eth gas comes from non-branded retail locations, which may or may not maintain their tanks and filtration.  The place I found in Oklahoma that sells non-eth 91 octane was busy as all get out, AND it's branded, so it's likely they turn over their gas pretty quickly... which helps, and maybe they maintain their pumps a little better than the mom n pops elsewhere.

[ducpainter]

My point was to use either a stabilizer, or the Seafoam which is a stabilizer as well as a fuel system cleaner.

I think both is a recipe for trouble in the long run.

[Charlie98]

My point was to use either a stabilizer, or the Seafoam which is a stabilizer as well as a fuel system cleaner.

I think both is a recipe for trouble in the long run.

I wasn't aware SeaFoam had stabilizer in it...  good to know.   

(Maybe it would be better if I read the instructions....     )

[ducatiz]

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25074.msg1013805#msg1013805

The only company that makes "gasoline stabilizers" that would provide me with any data was Kinetic, who make K100.

They provided me with a 3rd party test of their fuel stabilizer against other brands.  IT was the only one that effectively "sequestered" water in gasoline (E0 or E10)

I don't have a link to the test, but it was done by a Lukoil storage facility.  I will try to find it.

Also, it's good to see what they are putting in the fuel stabilizer.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/review_gas_treatment_products.html

The MSDS for SeaFoam shows it is about 99% pale oil, naphtha, and IPA.  That's essentially diesel, naphtha and isopropyl alcohol.

[Kopfjager]

You gotta be able to get to one of these. (?)


http://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX