09 1100 full exhaust ecu

KogMo11s · June 11, 2017, 02:58:29 PM

Hey all! the ecu i have is for a M796. Is the PC5 a good alternative? the bike has the full termi exhaust. ty

Saw this post http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=64179.0 but didn't see the numbers that are on this ecu which show 286.4.185.2A on one side and M796ABSRAC on the other -pretty sure that one will not jive.

any help you guys could share would be great.

KogMo11s · June 12, 2017, 05:51:42 PM

anybody use a power commander V ? curious about how it works with Duc's

koko64 · June 13, 2017, 01:59:06 AM

I like Powercommanders dyno tuned for the individual bike's modifications. I think they work well.
Some like to have the ECU reflashed and some do both for the ultimate tune.

danaid · June 13, 2017, 01:51:53 PM

My 09' 1100S is dyno tuned with a power commander and full Termignoni exhaust. The tune is OK, I feel the tune quality is dependent of the experience of the tuner. My bike runs 100% better, especially idle to 3000 rpm, but I feel a better tune is needed. My 1198 has its ecm flashed specifically for the setup of the engine and runs better than my custom dyno tuned 1100!

koko64 · June 13, 2017, 02:12:27 PM

It's true. It's all in the tune and the tuner.
I have heard of both dyno tune maps and reflash maps needing a tweak on some bikes to get it just so. Not only are there "canned" reflash maps but "canned" Powercommander maps from Dynojet's Powercommander library that may match your mods. These canned maps can serve as a baseline for a finishing tune or if you are lucky be so close that you are happy.

Worth reading the closed loop ecu mods thread atop the modification section.

koko64 · June 13, 2017, 04:02:14 PM

Just so you know, sponsors Motowheels do reflashes and Monsterparts sells Powercommanders. The sponsors help keep this place running without annoying spam.

KogMo11s · June 13, 2017, 10:01:53 PM

Tnx for the replies gents. Good advice from both. koko64 tnx for the sponsors and closed loop ecu heads up, I'll read that tomorrow.

danaid, would love a pic of your bike with focus on the exhaust thoughout. I don't have a picture reference to go by on this install. The rear exhaust pipe connecting to the head spacer under the shock would help with identifying how it should look and it's position. Also the center pipe it connects to, to show how far away from the tire hugger. Spacing seems to be an issue with this setup unless I just need to tweak it a bit.

I bought the full exhaust off ebay. Instructions and part # look right, although it arrived with an ecu for a M796 ABS. The price was right and so far the install is going ok for this novice wrench turner but as I mentioned, pics would help a bunch.

Dealer today said to stay away from PC5's as it is just another variable for something to not function correctly. Said reflash was the way to go. I think I agree with that but also know from a previous Honda VFR the PC's are worth the money and time spent.

danaid · June 14, 2017, 01:35:50 PM

Quote from: KogMo11s on June 13, 2017, 10:01:53 PM
Tnx for the replies gents. Good advice from both. koko64 tnx for the sponsors and closed loop ecu heads up, I'll read that tomorrow.

danaid, would love a pic of your bike with focus on the exhaust thoughout. I don't have a picture reference to go by on this install. The rear exhaust pipe connecting to the head spacer under the shock would help with identifying how it should look and it's position. Also the center pipe it connects to, to show how far away from the tire hugger. Spacing seems to be an issue with this setup unless I just need to tweak it a bit.

I bought the full exhaust off ebay. Instructions and part # look right, although it arrived with an ecu for a M796 ABS. The price was right and so far the install is going ok for this novice wrench turner but as I mentioned, pics would help a bunch.

Dealer today said to stay away from PC5's as it is just another variable for something to not function correctly. Said reflash was the way to go. I think I agree with that but also know from a previous Honda VFR the PC's are worth the money and time spent.

I sent you a few pics of my exhaust, let me know if you need a better angle.

Here is a possible problem, the full system reuses your o2 sensors with an extension wire that should have been included and the correct ecm might be needed. The power commander uses an o2 optimizer that will fix the bottom end leanness that the stock or Termignoni map will not touch(read the closed loop thread) and can be properly tuned on a dyno. You can send the ecm to a tuner like Motowheels, one of our sponsors, and they can remove the o2 sensors with the reflash and map they might have already on file. you need to call them and find out what they can do for you! This would be my solution as here in California, most of the tuners have closed up shop because of the strict emissions laws after 2013.

KogMo11s · June 15, 2017, 08:37:46 PM

Quote from: danaid on June 14, 2017, 01:35:50 PM
I sent you a few pics of my exhaust, let me know if you need a better angle.

Here is a possible problem, the full system reuses your o2 sensors with an extension wire that should have been included and the correct ecm might be needed. The power commander uses an o2 optimizer that will fix the bottom end leanness that the stock or Termignoni map will not touch(read the closed loop thread) and can be properly tuned on a dyno. You can send the ecm to a tuner like Motowheels, one of our sponsors, and they can remove the o2 sensors with the reflash and map they might have already on file. you need to call them and find out what they can do for you! This would be my solution as here in California, most of the tuners have closed up shop because of the strict emissions laws after 2013.

Tnx again for the pics and info danaid.
I do have the o2 extensions. Will get back to the install and report back this weekend for sure. -Always busy at night after work (care-giver). I'll have to send the stock ecm to Motowheels as my local dealership doesn't seem interested in doing the reflash.
I'll call Motowheels tomorrow.
You guys are a HUGE help. TY!

KogMo11s · June 17, 2017, 10:35:01 PM

Install is complete. yay! Spacing looks good. No issues other than the guy holding the wrench. Just need to route lambda wire and check all connections.

Talked to a buddy who said the local Duc dealership would reflash his Diavel ecm whenever he was rdy to go. If they can reflash the Diavel, I imagine they can do mine. I'll find out Tuesday (closed Mon.)

KogMo11s · June 21, 2017, 09:44:48 AM

ok, so I'm sending out the ecm to motowheels for the reflash (removing o2's). Crossing fingers it's plug and play. PCv and dyno if not happy with results. ...this thing is turning into a money pit!

I see the bungs on their website for the exhaust pipe but don't see an end-plug for the 02's on the wire harness.

How did you address yours?

tnx ...sry for the stupid question earlier

danaid · June 21, 2017, 02:46:34 PM

The full Termignoni exhausts uses the o2 so you will have to find plugs for those or simply leave them in place. You also have to transfer over small plugs over from your stock exhaust if they weren't already installed from the previous owner. The exhaust valve motor is removed and a dummy plug was included to covers the leftover exposed wire harness. The o2 extension is for the front cylinder?

KogMo11s · June 21, 2017, 10:22:47 PM

Yes, the front cylinder. Both are mounted in place. I routed the extension upwards and along where the battery sits, to the other side of the bike keeping it as far away from heat as possible. The smaller bungs are transferred and in place on new exhaust. Exhaust valve disconnected and plugged with supplied dummy plug.

On the Motowheels website I have the option to have the o2's eliminated ..but now that you mention it, I think I should leave them enabled. If I ever do install a pcv, then, I've read where the ecu/o2 sensors will be in conflict with the pcv -one tries to lean and the other tries to add more fuel. -please correct me if I am wrong.

I'm hoping it's plug n play w/o the pcv until later when I can dyno it. Just trying to make sure I make the right choice on whether to enable or disable. I'll talk to Matt or Stefano (?) tomorrow.

KogMo11s · June 23, 2017, 10:55:44 AM

sending out ecu to Matt @ MW. --disabling o2's.

Super stoked to get it back ...almost paid the xtra 160ish for two day shipping but then remembered I'm already over budget!

Still want to look into a pcv and dyno but will wait until after reflash.

danaid, have you swapped out battery cables for easier starting?

danaid · June 23, 2017, 05:05:50 PM

No, not yet , I did so with my 1198 as the hard starting was severe! The improved fueling fixed the hard starting, the severe lean tuning caused by euro 3 emissions, and I added a lithium battery so the bike starts mostly instantly.

I used this, http://www.motolectric.com/makes/ducati.html for my 1198. When they go on sale again I'll add this to my 1100.

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