2000 Monster 900 IE Fuel Tank Pump Wiring Connector

Started by stolenheartdealer, May 28, 2018, 07:49:59 AM

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stolenheartdealer

Can someone take a picture of the fuel tank pump connector if they own this bike for me?

In a pinch long ago my fuel tank connector broke apart and I replaced it from a completely inappropriate connector from radio shack.  Fast forward to now, my tank had a leak so I removed it for repair and connector came off the wires and now I have no clue what positions they're in.  There's two black wires, one red and one yellow on the tank side and there's blue/black, black, white/brown and brown/white wires on the bike side.

The wiring diagram is a bit confusing as it doesn't correspond to the color wires on my bike. It doesn't list a blue/black (or black/blue) only b, bk, br/w and w/br wires. 

I just want to be absolutely positive I'm doing this correctly.

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Ddan

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stolenheartdealer

Quote from: Ddan on May 28, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
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What engine and year is this? Maybe then I can look up the schematic and the wires will end up in the same places in my bike so I can translate the colors of the wires on this bike to the color wires on my own.

Thanks!

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Ddan

it's a 2000 900Sie.  I know I've replaced the sending unit, but I believe the other end is stock.
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stolenheartdealer

Quote from: Ddan on May 28, 2018, 12:56:23 PM
it's a 2000 900Sie.  I know I've replaced the sending unit, but I believe the other end is stock.
I wonder... Your wires don't match the diagram I have at all.  I'll look for a 2001 diagram, maybe your bike is a late model year and they started using newer cables or something???  Exactly the photo yi was hoping for though, thanks again.

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Ddan

Quote from: stolenheartdealer on May 28, 2018, 01:02:36 PM
I wonder... Your wires don't match the diagram I have at all.  I'll look for a 2001 diagram, maybe your bike is a late model year and they started using newer cables or something???  Exactly the photo yi was hoping for though, thanks again.

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I had a scan of the wiring diagram, but I can't find it.  FWIW, the diagrams weren't necessarily accurate. 
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1992 900 SS, currently a pile of parts.  Now running
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ian48th

I have a 2000 M900Sie.  My engine-side wires are the same color as yours. 

Engine side --> Tank side
dark green --> yellow(?)
dark brown / white --> red
light brown / white --> dark green
black --> black

Does that help?
2000 M900Sie

stolenheartdealer

Quote from: ian48th on May 29, 2018, 11:12:51 PM
I have a 2000 M900Sie.  My engine-side wires are the same color as yours. 

Engine side --> Tank side
dark green --> yellow(?)
dark brown / white --> red
light brown / white --> dark green
black --> black

Does that help?
Thanks, it does somewhat, I've traced my wires so I know what wire is what on the bike side.  Now my only problem is on the tank side it looks like I have two black wires and I have no idea which is which.  I ordered an eBay part hopefully in better condition than my own because I just had to repair a wire that ripped it from the base of it and although I got the solder and wire on it's not something I have any confidence in.

stolenheartdealer

Quote from: ducpainter on May 28, 2018, 01:11:23 PM
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Thanks.
Hey, I started reading your painting sticky, some great info there! Thanks! Any advice for rinsing blast media out of a tank?  I was planning to rinse with just water, followed by alcohol to evaporate the water and then gas to avoid rust.  I'm not sure a plain water rinse will be good enough.  My buddy had a dark black "sand" if that's any help to you answering my question.  Thanks in advance!

ducpainter

Quote from: stolenheartdealer on May 30, 2018, 04:57:28 AM
Hey, I started reading your painting sticky, some great info there! Thanks! Any advice for rinsing blast media out of a tank?  I was planning to rinse with just water, followed by alcohol to evaporate the water and then gas to avoid rust.  I'm not sure a plain water rinse will be good enough.  My buddy had a dark black "sand" if that's any help to you answering my question.  Thanks in advance!
The black sand is called Black Beauty, and is a slag by product of burning coal.

Did you blast the tank with the openings uncovered?

I'd avoid a water rinse, but that's just me. It will leave as much grit inside as any other method, and add the rust issue.

Assuming the tank is dry inside, I'd turn the tank upside down which will allow the sand to fall to the smooth surface. Slap the tank with the flat of your hand to get any that is trapped in the seams to fall. Manipulate the tank so it all goes to the area to the rear of the filler. Then brush, or vacuum, it out. If you get creative, you can make a small diameter extension for a vacuum and go in through the sending unit hole. There is a screen for the pump, which will prevent any pieces from getting into it, and a filter to prevent any really fine dust from getting to the injectors.
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 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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stolenheartdealer

Quote from: ducpainter on May 30, 2018, 07:39:08 AM
The black sand is called Black Beauty, and is a slag by product of burning coal.

Did you blast the tank with the openings uncovered?

I'd avoid a water rinse, but that's just me. It will leave as much grit inside as any other method, and add the rust issue.

Assuming the tank is dry inside, I'd turn the tank upside down which will allow the sand to fall to the smooth surface. Slap the tank with the flat of your hand to get any that is trapped in the seams to fall. Manipulate the tank so it all goes to the area to the rear of the filler. Then brush, or vacuum, it out. If you get creative, you can make a small diameter extension for a vacuum and go in through the sending unit hole. There is a screen for the pump, which will prevent any pieces from getting into it, and a filter to prevent any really fine dust from getting to the injectors.
Thanks, yes, rust in a tank like this would be a nightmare, I had to repair the hinge at the bottom so I cut out a square around the hinge and welded a patch and then re welded the hinge back on.  I blasted the area around the square i cut out. Shook out as much as I could, vacuuming before the weld would have been a better idea but you're right, I can be creative and get in there with some flexible tubing and tap around lightly with a rubber mallet, tank is effed so I'm not too worried ;). Great advice, thanks!

Ddan

Quote from: stolenheartdealer on May 30, 2018, 04:53:48 AM
Thanks, it does somewhat, I've traced my wires so I know what wire is what on the bike side.  Now my only problem is on the tank side it looks like I have two black wires and I have no idea which is which.  I ordered an eBay part hopefully in better condition than my own because I just had to repair a wire that ripped it from the base of it and although I got the solder and wire on it's not something I have any confidence in.

Both black wires are grounds, the larger gauge traced wire is for the pump, the other is for the fuel level sending unit
2000 Monster 900Sie, a few changes
1992 900 SS, currently a pile of parts.  Now running
                    flogged successfully  NHMS  12 customized.  Twice.   T3 too.   Now retired.

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stolenheartdealer

Quote from: Ddan on May 30, 2018, 08:12:18 AM
Both black wires are grounds, the larger gauge traced wire is for the pump, the other is for the fuel level sending unit
Alright great, I thought that at first until that last person commented that his fuel/level unit had 4 colors and mine only has 3, I got a little worried that it matters which is which.

ducpainter

Why did you cut the hinge off?

If it was just leaking, brazing the perimeter, and then coating the tank, would have been the prescribed method.
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."