Man stabs and beheads a passenger on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba

[SKOM]

The guy has his back to them and he is out numbered 100 to 1 and they run away while he finishes off the guy in the next seat.  F*cking pussies.  Having been on the receiving end of several attacks while my fellow New Yorkers sat there and stared, I have no sympathy for these a$$holes who can't eat or sleep since the incident. 

The bus left from Edmonton where I live (and have been attacked while people watch and no one calls 911 even). Not surprised at all. 

[NeufUnSix]

DOA or not, you simply can't stand idly by when someone is getting killed. I mean, they could have at least prevented him from desecrating the poor guys corpse, jebus.

CCW is pretty much impossible in Canada unless you are a security agent (and I don't mean a typical security guard, 95% of them don't carry unless they work at a bank). I wouldn't really want a CCW license, but when shit like this happens, it makes you think what could have been.

[spolic]

Thats most likely the initial stab.  By then, the guy was going to die one way or another. 

Some guy plays the hero; looses a couple fingers and gets slashed pretty good; manages to get the guy to stop stabbing the initial victim; subdues (with the help of the other passengers) the CRAZY; help arrives only to find the victim dead from major blood loss.  You come to realize in hindsight that by then, even if someone were to attend the victim's wounds, the guy would have still bleed to death by the time paramedics arrived. 

So you loose a couple fingers and get cut in other places for what?  A dead guy?  Sometimes you have to cut your losses.  If it was a fist fight, SURE JUMP IN but in this case, And how one of the passengers described the attack, the poor guy was already stabbed multiple times in vital areas by the time the sleepy bus came to realize what was going down.

    Carry a gun. End of problem.

Or make sure that Chuck Norris is on the bus.

[Betty Rage]

There's no way I would have been able to subdue a 40 year old man with a hunting knife. I think most people would be better off running away. However, 2-3 strong men should have been able to take him down. It's sick that everyone just left him on the bus to do what he wanted with that poor guy's body.

[OwnyTony]

What happened was horrible.  I dont want to get into it.  Yes, from what i stated, I am making judgement calls.  From the description of the wittness, he states that the poor kid was stabbed in the arm, legs, chest and gut.  Basically, anywhere the knife was thrust at was hit. 

What the passengers did do WITH IN REASON (someone mentioned, with in reason) was quarantine the guy in the bus and disable the bus so that it could not be driven away. 

It was not a fair fight.  A guy has a knife and you have your arms and legs in tight quarters.  If a guy was carrying a gun or if I was carrying a gun, I WOULD HAVE INTERVENED as I am the one at an advantage. 

Its risk and reward.  Sure, you shouldn't easily be able to value or judge a human life and rather or not you should intervene.  But  you have to value your own life as well. 

Usually, People do not instantly die but given where the poor kid was stabbed, I would say his chances were pretty slim of coming out alive.  At the moment you intervene, the kid may be alive but I would not be surprised if the kid died by the time the attacker was subdued (if someone intervened).   You can criticize me on my judgment.  Thats ok but come on.  This situation is just make the beast with two backsed and there really is not much one could have done. 

Again, take the knife out of the equation or put a gun in a passengers hand into the equation and the solution is very different.

[SacDuc]

There's no way I would have been able to subdue a 40 year old man with a hunting knife. I think most people would be better off running away. However, 2-3 strong men should have been able to take him down. It's sick that everyone just left him on the bus to do what he wanted with that poor guy's body.

And this ladies and gentlemen is exactly all 37 people left that bus. Everyone and a perfectly sound reason as to why they can not help, and perfectly sound reasons why other people should. This let's everyone keep their own little world veiw in tact.  "I am just wonderful but those other people who should have helped but didn't were wrong for running away the same way I did." Neenja, those three large guys, well, one had a bad back, one was half drunk, and one was assualted with a knife earlier in the year and is still having nightmares from it. Everyone has an excuse.

I'll own up to it: I would have been make the beast with two backsing scared. If I didn't know the guy being stabbed, I would have pushed over my grandmother to get off of that bus. Okay, not my grandmother, but definitely yours.

BP is right a C&C would have stopped this, but if I had a C&C and wasn't in emminent danger myself, I may not have pulled the trigger.

sac



/did I mention I went shooting?
/I likey!

[Speedbag]

What. The. make the beast with two backs.

It's time to get back to building my cabin and writing that manifesto..... 

[Kyna]

It's stories like this that make me think being a hermit has merit.  What happened to the dude that he could mutilate someone else like that and apparently not feel anything.  Scary and ick.

I don't pass judgement on the 37 passengers as I can't promise I wouldn't have been leading the pack if I was on the bus.  I hope that I would do something, but I've never put that to the test so it's anyone's guess.  I would have called for help.  However by the time it arrived it would be too late.

[silentbob]

/did I mention I went shooting?
/I likey!

I'll invite you to our next shootout in the desert if you can make it down to San Diego.

[SKOM]

I would like to think that I would have done something in that situation but I guess you never know. Unless you are in a situation like that.

Either way that Mr. Stabby was all kinds of crazy.

[Grampa]

Bartleby: Your hard-on for smiting has prevented us from negotiating what ought to be the relatively simple matter of catching or staying on a bus.

[IZ]

 

..and I was just telling my wife that I wasn't going to Aikido tonight.  We're doing weapon take-aways.


I was just watching First Blood II last night.  Rambo was talking about how that BIG AZZ, razor-sharp knife was his lucky charm.  If that crazed bus killer had one similar, it would be pretty hard to take it away from him in those narrow Greyhound bus aisles without one or more people getting killed.  Those guys did the right thing by disabling the bus and holding him in. 

I bused it from AZ to MI and back several times when I was a teen.  Any station southwest of Midland, MI (which means EVERY friggen station) is a sh*thole!!       

[derby]

    Carry a gun. End of problem.

funny story about that scene. it was originally supposed to be a long, drawn out battle between indy and the sword guy.

ford had caught a bug and wasn't feeling to hot, so suggested to spielberg "why don't i just shoot him?"

ah, the making of a classic movie scene. 

[SacDuc]

I'll invite you to our next shootout in the desert if you can make it down to San Diego.

Funny, I have freinds moving from Turkey to Death Valley soon. I'll be down that way now and then. Just beginning with hand guns right now. No rifles or shot guns yet. Don't even have my own gun as I'm not get comfortable enough around them to have one in the house. But unloading a dew rounds in the desert sounds fun.


sac

[IZ]

funny story about that scene. it was originally supposed to be a long, drawn out battle between indy and the sword guy.

ford had caught a bug and wasn't feeling to hot, so suggested to spielberg "why don't i just shoot him?"

ah, the making of a classic movie scene. 

TOTAL DERBY from TOB!