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Um ok wow.  I drive a honda as my cage.  Reliable, well made blah blah.  I stumbled on this little video that show's you really really have to *try* to kill a honda car.  This poor little civic takes some massive abuse and keeps on going.


http://www.youtube.com/v/uyAwFw0eXwE&hl=en&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/v/uyAwFw0eXwE&hl=en&fs=1)
- The cliffs notes version for those who can't read french.. they finally got the engine to seize after running it for an hour with an oil system full over water...

It works. what can i say. those small engines are damn near bullet proof.

I dont think there are many engine blocks that have passed the test of time and mileage.

But hondas 4bangers is one of them.

but fords 4.6L v8 and chevys smallblock v8 beats that honda engine and then some.

Pfft. Plastic Barbie car compared to this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrk6vsb77xk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrk6vsb77xk&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uc4Ksz3nHM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uc4Ksz3nHM&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZDtC9kjVk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZDtC9kjVk&feature=related)

DAMN that was quick, videos no longer available.

were those the toyota terrorist car taht go drowned?

Damn...

Yeah, it was the Toyota Hilux with 195k miles that  got:

Crashed into a tree at 50

Sunk under seawater for 5 hours

Had a camper dropped on it

Smashed with a wrecking ball

Set on fire

Put on top of a 23 story building which was subsequently demolished.

And it still ran.

Whatcha basing the ford and chevy love on? While some may last a while....they are not terribly well engineered....

and some don't even last that long...I think the chevy smallblocks are alot of hit and miss...


honda 4 cylinders are well built machines and the yota hilux is a hell of a truck (wish I could buy one here).



I've also seen some extremely high mile scoobarus out there too (I know of 3 with over 300k on the original engine/trans)

I think any of the really high mileage american cars are the just the high end of the bell curve.


If I bought a Honda/Toyota, I would have every expectation of roughly 200k trouble free miles, and 300k with some minor maintenance.

The contractors that have had the same ford E-250 for the past 30 some odd years and the occasional backfiring 1960s F150 that still runs.
Depends on what you mean by engineered well are we talking about frame engine or design? Both those cares are ment to be move shit...ALOT of shit. and sometimes, litterally shit.

As for the chevy small blocks. First car was a camaro LS1, so I am bias. I've seen some dudes at local drag strips who are running LT1s to the ground in old Fbodies. chevys small block 350 has been the same block since the 60s. I dont think they make the 5.7 Liter 350cid anymore. its 5.3L and 6.0L and 7.0L.

+ taxis and cops use the Crown Victoria platform (4.6L same basic engine as the mustang). Easy and cheap to maintain. Pretty solid engine for running 24/7. My neighbor is a cabbie and has logged over 350,000 miles on an 05 Lincoln town car without so much as a hiccup. basic routine maintenance is all it needs. Im starting to see Nissian Maximia hybrid and toyota hybrids as taxis but i dont know how long they last since they have just been turning up in masses recently.


Pops had a Toyota 4runner. 1985 or 88, not too sure. I forgot the number, but it had well over 350k. spark plugs changed ONCE in its whole life. total oil changes can be counted on 1 hand. it finnally died a few months ago. the engine cracked and one of hte cylinders died. wouldnt go past 50mph in 5th gear 5,000rpm. That thing was a beast.

Engine. Rods are too short. Oil bosses undersized....etc..etc...

There was a time when most American products did the same 200K trouble free miles.

You're just too young to remember.

You grew up when the US auto makers were building crap.

If you want to see the video of that Hilux - goto the Topgear channel of the BBC on YouTube.  They are some of the 1st videos posted to that channel.  And yeah, that hilux took a hell of a beating, epic even, and kept going.  Though they never intentionally filled the oil res with water....

Two other american engines to keep in mind are the old Dodge Slant 6 (oil is optional) and the Jeep 4.0 inline six.

So far so good with my '06 Mazda 3 with the 2.0 liter, 149,000 miles and counting.

Its just a Toyota Tacoma...
You can get plenty of those here :)

do diesels count?

i have 202,000 on my f250. never had an issue with it. replaced everything else under the hood, but that powerstroke is still pulling strong.

Without the diesel of course ~

JM

Not really. The tacoma has a slightly different chassis and different components for the american market. It's not as rugged.

not sure if they didnt plan it that way. built in to die so you have to buy another.

Not american, but the old F series Toyota straight six.  The ones you'd find in FJ series land cruisers.  Neigh indestructible.

You can still find them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R3HDZCH38k&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R3HDZCH38k&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4DHDwwxcxg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4DHDwwxcxg&feature=related)

I miss mine. Bought it with 150k miles on it, sold it with 250k and it was still running very very strong.

And there's the Old B series Diesel straight sixes ... those might be going after the sun's gone cold.

I don't know about the dodge slant 6, but the 4.0 inline 6 jeep made was infact a monster of an engine. I totally forgot about it.

 [thumbsup] to the jeep 6

i beg to differ.

i destroyed 2 of em, in one land crusier   [bang]

You sir... are just evil then.  How'd you manage that feat?

Seriously, how?

I had an 88 land cruiser which I raced competitively and was also my daily driver. That thing got so much abuse it was absurd. I just took everything I threw at it and it kept shrugging it off.

Do you routinely run it into walls and leave it on the beach so teh hightide can eat it?

Same engine as in that hilux

+1

I'd happily compare the jeep 4.0 against any honda motor for longevity

between my pops and I, we've had 5 and 3 are currently at 87,000, 120,000, and 290,000

2 were rebuilt at 320,000 and 350,000

1 for piston slap and 1 for valve chatter

both still ran strong

one of the 258's (mine) was rebuilt with 12/1 pistons and a 232 head...on stock rods, it made it about 40,000 miles  [evil]


<all sworn statements on mileage are given with a possible +/- 3% variance cuz who really keeps track of the last 4 digits?>

Jeep 4.0L was great... except it would keep blowing up the water pump and then coming close to catching fire. Our Cherokee tried to commit suicide a few times.

I have a faster and more destructive suggestion for carmicide -
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
Reverse.
Kabooom!

the tranny would blow up for sure. but maybe the engine would just stall?

We finally sold our Toyota Landcruiser this spring.. we bought it with 132,000km and sold it with 240-250,000km if i remember correctly. All we gave it was an oil change every 10,000km and gearbox and rear diff fluid change once a year. Basic servicing. It could tow anything, my wife never washed the damn thing - I used to do it out of pity.

I wish we had never sold it.

Want another one!!  >:(

Shifting into reverse would either blow the tranny and disconnect the engine, overrev the motor to destruction, or blow the tranny and the engine simultaneously. Only one way to find out for sure!

I did this by accident once on my old Alfa.  It made a really nasty grinding noise, but it didn't go into gear.  Nothing blew up or broke, so I would imagine you would have to try really hard to get it in reverse gear.   

Failing reverse, you could always get it to highway speed and then drop it into first. That would have a similar effect.

I can tell you that on a '75 Dodge van, putting it into park at 40mph by mistake just gives you another neutral. which means if the parking brake doesn't work it means that you must now carry a brick.

Another vote for virtually any old domestic inline six. The ones I've had took a thrashing and lasted forever.


I have to agree on the 4.6 also. They are actually more robust in stock form than the venerable 5.0, and a bone stock 4.6 bottom end will withstand power adders up to 500 crankshaft HP reliably.

Autos usually have a safety feature where it won't downshift when it shouldn't. I'm talking manual - freedom to shift as you please, and blow your drivetrain at your leisure.

My friend in high school did this in his '69 cougar convertible. The entire drivetrain locked up and the engine died, but he was able to start it and drive away.all the other gears

A week later the linkage fell out of it and it went forward in reverse, reverse was gone and all the other gears appeared to be neutrals.

My 2000 model Alfa Romeo has 270 000 km hassle free [thumbsup]