Anybody has seen this yet?
(http://www.omnimoto.it/mwpImages/articoli/evidenza/ducati_stradaperta_1200_2587.jpg)
http://www.omnimoto.it/magazine/2587/ducati-stradaperta-1200 (http://www.omnimoto.it/magazine/2587/ducati-stradaperta-1200)
It's supposed to be the heir of the Multistrada (Stradaperta means Open Road), to be launched in a year.
These are the specs:
1200cc air cooled, dual spark
over 100hp
based on the same frame as the new Monsters 696 and 1100 (but different dimensions)
17" wheels
Giordy
Not as ugly as the MTS, and the power would be welcome.
I like it. The fairing looks smaller. If they make it too small it won't do anything. Here is the full view.
(http://www.omnimoto.it/mwpImages/photogallery/2008/811/photos650/ducati-stradaperta-1200_1.jpg)
Another artist's rendition of the new bike.
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/hyperstrada-560x387.jpg)
now that is a multirstrada that looks good, i want a little sleeker windscreen but otherwise it looks great,they should make that.
me likey
Why do people keep making different iterations of the HMT and trying to say "this is what the next ______ will look like?
I do like the first one shown, although I think it's based too much on the 696/1100 frame....
Does anyone know the bore/stroke of the new 1200?
Quote from: NAKID on December 16, 2008, 07:32:56 PM
Why do people keep making different iterations of the HMT and trying to say "this is what the next ______ will look like?
I do like the first one shown, although I think it's based too much on the 696/1100 frame....
Welcome to the future of Ducati... I doubt we'll see anymore full trellis frames coming out of the factory. I'd expect a couple base frames to which they can bolt different rear subs and such...ftr, me likey too BP [thumbsup]
Quote from: Travman on December 16, 2008, 05:26:18 PM
I like it. The fairing looks smaller. If they make it too small it won't do anything. Here is the full view.
(http://www.omnimoto.it/mwpImages/photogallery/2008/811/photos650/ducati-stradaperta-1200_1.jpg)
Another artist's rendition of the new bike.
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/hyperstrada-560x387.jpg)
The frame in the second pic is not of the 696/1100 variety
The frame in the second one as pointed out above is a photochopped Hyper. I be shocked if it came out like that... at a miniumum that's is a step backward... Ducati seems to be marching forward at the moment... though they have done goofy stuff before.
can we say "Modernized Cagiva Gran Canyon".....me likey ALOT!!!
Quote from: Norm on December 17, 2008, 06:38:07 AM
Does anyone know the bore/stroke of the new 1200?
No such thing.. (yet)...
People in the know have leaked that the Aperta will be liquid cooled. That chop is an 1100 Monster frame+engine underneath.
Quote from: NAKID
Welcome to the future of Ducati... I doubt we'll see anymore full trellis frames coming out of the factory.
Streetfighter is trellis. 1198 is still trellis.
how well do you think it'll off-road with some knobbies mounted?
Probably similar to a BMW GS ~
JM
Quote from: Le Pirate on December 17, 2008, 08:26:37 AM
how well do you think it'll off-road with some knobbies mounted?
The article says that there are no rumors of an Enduro version, but the issue of the popularity of GS bikes has been under evaluation for a while by Ducati.
Quote from: sally101 on December 17, 2008, 07:43:56 AM
No such thing.. (yet)...
People in the know have leaked that the Aperta will be liquid cooled. That chop is an 1100 Monster frame+engine underneath.
Streetfighter is trellis. 1198 is still trellis.
I said "full trellis", front to back Monster style is what I was referring to. Streetfighter is the same as the 1198. I imagine they may put one more new frame out soon, then they will begin deriving all their lines from the three frames with different parts attached.... but I'm just crystal balling here. What I do see them doing is trying to make their production line more efficient, few full frames=less tooling=less cost and greater production.
Quote from: Le Pirate on December 17, 2008, 08:26:37 AM
how well do you think it'll off-road with some knobbies mounted?
Lowest hard-part is the oil filter. No problem on fire roads, but otherwise :-\
Triumph Tiger anyone?
better..........
Well, if the Monster and new SV look the same, might as well make something that looks like a V-Strom.
reminds me of an Aprilia Pegaso.
i dont hate it but that class of bike doesnt float my boat.
wonder why they wouldnt use the 1100 motor that is already in the monster and hyper?
Quote from: JEFF_H on December 17, 2008, 01:31:20 PM
wonder why they wouldnt use the 1100 motor that is already in the monster and hyper?
well...they made that mistake before when they made the Cagiva Gran Canyon and the Elefant with the old small valve 900cc motor and found that to push the heavier weight as briskly and the chassis in it's different reactive balance that they had to bump up the rear sprocket from a 39 to a 45 tooth and I am guessing that they are trying to avout that...and they are probably looking at CC capacity to power comparo to other air cooled twins like the BMW and the Buell Ullyses and the like...and making a slightly heftier bore with more power to compete.
Quote from: zooom on December 17, 2008, 02:02:07 PM
.and they are probably looking at CC capacity to power comparo to other air cooled twins like the BMW and the Buell Ullyses and the like...and making a slightly heftier bore with more power to compete.
That's likely the real reason...if the 1200 is indeed in the works. Both the 1000 and 1100 have more than enough power for the current Multi with passenger and such, and I doubt the new version would be a heavier bike. The way Ducati has been going I suspect it will actually be lighter.
I own an 07 Multi that I ride everyday. My wife and I have taken several 300-400 mile trips on it. A few months ago I went to a BMW dealer to check out the new F650GS. The only demo bike they had was the R1200GS so I took it for a ride. That bike is smoooth! The suspension and brakes were way better than the Multi. I guess for 18k they should be. I really liked the anti-lock brakes and the fact that the front end didn't dive under hard braking. The wife was ready to trade right then! Lol Until she found out what it cost.
Quote from: sally101 on December 17, 2008, 07:43:56 AM
Streetfighter is trellis. 1198 is still trellis.
You quoted wrong, I didn't say that....
Quote from: enzo on December 17, 2008, 12:32:19 PM
Well, if the Monster and new SV look the same, might as well make something that looks like a V-Strom.
Looks exactly like a Wee-strom to me too
Quote from: RMartin on December 17, 2008, 02:34:57 PM
I own an 07 Multi that I ride everyday. My wife and I have taken several 300-400 mile trips on it. A few months ago I went to a BMW dealer to check out the new F650GS. The only demo bike they had was the R1200GS so I took it for a ride. That bike is smoooth! The suspension and brakes were way better than the Multi. I guess for 18k they should be. I really liked the anti-lock brakes and the fact that the front end didn't dive under hard braking. The wife was ready to trade right then! Lol Until she found out what it cost.
Yeah.....they're a nice ride.
Quote from: NAKID on December 17, 2008, 03:01:30 PM
You quoted wrong, I didn't say that....
;D You're right.. My bad.. I was trying to manually quote and I put the wrong name in.
Quote from: DCXCV on December 17, 2008, 11:05:06 AM
Lowest hard-part is the oil filter. No problem on fire roads, but otherwise :-\
if they use the over-the-clutch front exhaust, it will be easy to put a skid plate on it.
i'd use a plastic one, thick pvc or something that can flex a bit like on the Elefant 650. attach it ot the lower crankcase bungs that aren't used.
Quote from: WannaDucBad on December 17, 2008, 07:16:06 AM
The frame in the second one as pointed out above is a photochopped Hyper. I be shocked if it came out like that... at a miniumum that's is a step backward... Ducati seems to be marching forward at the moment... though they have done goofy stuff before.
I actually see the demise of the full trellis frame as a step backward.
Goofy stuff they have done: Indiana, 999, new Monster design.
Quote from: zooom on December 17, 2008, 07:23:58 AM
can we say "Modernized Cagiva Gran Canyon".....me likey ALOT!!!
Prettier than the GC.
Interesting to see what size the fuel tank ends up....
But, if we take half of the $ difference between what we've got in our GCs and that bike, and plow it into the GCs....
Quote from: ducatizzzz on December 18, 2008, 10:52:50 AM
Quote from: DCXCV on December 17, 2008, 11:05:06 AM
Lowest hard-part is the oil filter. No problem on fire roads, but otherwise :-\
if they use the over-the-clutch front exhaust, it will be easy to put a skid plate on it.
i'd use a plastic one, thick pvc or something that can flex a bit like on the Elefant 650. attach it ot the lower crankcase bungs that aren't used.
Well, on the GC, lowest hard part is a toss-up between the oil filter and the fuel pump.
'Protected' by a plastic skidplate <cough.. foofy bellypan...cough>.
My GC took a hit from a flying rock, on the lower bend of the pipe on my last off-road outing.
Pretty sure it would have opened an exposed oil filter.
Needs a metal skidplate.
Anyone care to guess based on the pics what this thing would way?
Quote from: Speeddog on December 18, 2008, 05:40:36 PM
Prettier than the GC.
Interesting to see what size the fuel tank ends up....
But, if we take half of the $ difference between what we've got in our GCs and that bike, and plow it into the GCs....
hopefully the fuel capacity is at least what the GC is...
putting money into the GC isn't so much the problem...it is finding the parts to put into it...
Quote from: Speeddog on December 18, 2008, 05:49:06 PM
if they use the over-the-clutch front exhaust, it will be easy to put a skid plate on it.
i'd use a plastic one, thick pvc or something that can flex a bit like on the Elefant 650. attach it ot the lower crankcase bungs that aren't used.
Well, on the GC, lowest hard part is a toss-up between the oil filter and the fuel pump.
'Protected' by a plastic skidplate <cough.. foofy bellypan...cough>.
My GC took a hit from a flying rock, on the lower bend of the pipe on my last off-road outing.
Pretty sure it would have opened an exposed oil filter.
Needs a metal skidplate.
I had the rubber elbow break on my from time more than anything on my GC...the one that comes from the left side onto the pump that goes from the 5/16ths pipe to the 9/16ths pump nipple....if that skid plate wasn't there...debris or whatever would have surely broken it...(I ended up using a fuel rated connection piece that I got from work for a VW to replace it)...metal skid plate for sure!...even if the aftermarket ends up developing it by someone on AVDRider or something...
Quote from: swampduc on December 18, 2008, 06:30:12 PM
Anyone care to guess based on the pics what this thing would way?
wet weight fully gassed and whatnot... 450lbs....less once you replace the exhaust system of course...mine would end up weighing more as I'd want at least a Givi Monokey tailcase and possibly some Wingrack pannier system....
Quote from: hbliam on December 18, 2008, 05:08:06 PM
I actually see the demise of the full trellis frame as a step backward.
Goofy stuff they have done: Indiana, 999, new Monster design.
i don't think it's a step backward except as a stylistic element.
the forged frames are exceptional these days. plus being open to mixing aluminum forged with steel trellis gives them the option to find the best design overall.
it makes me sad, but i think we'll continue to see it come and go.
gotta remember the trellis only really came in around 91. The bevel bikes had a very simplified tube frame which used down pipe support of the engine as opposed to a fully stressed design (IIRC). The trellis, just like the dry clutch (on mass produced bikes) is a recent invention.
If it did turn out to be about 450 lbs minus luggage, that wouldn't be bad at all with an 1100 or 1200 engine.
It looks very Elefant/Gran Canyon-ish to me.
Quote from: Nitewaif on December 19, 2008, 08:24:14 AM
It looks very Elefant/Gran Canyon-ish to me.
don't all dual sports nowadays?
Quote from: hbliam on December 18, 2008, 05:08:06 PM
I actually see the demise of the full trellis frame as a step backward.
Goofy stuff they have done: Indiana, 999, new Monster design.
The Indiana was designed by Cagiva's CRC. They adapted the frame of the Elefant 650. There was a debate about whose name to put on it. DOn't forget that Ducati cut its butter on touring bikes during the 60s, so a cruiser really wasn't a crazy stretch for them.
999 was actually a good overall design EXCEPT for the headlights and the top windscreen shape. If you look at the race versions (i.e. no headlights) they look pretty damn cool. Also, the 999 had TONS of cool stuff -- adjustable seat/tank angles, engine design, and so on. The 999 got a bad wrap because it was a butterface, but that's all.
The new Monster design is getting good press overall. People like it. The only people who don't like it are the crotchety old owners (who may or may not be buying a new bike in the future -- I generally only buy used bikes because I am cheap and know how to fix them). That being said, the 696 and 1096 or whatever is selling well considering the economy.