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Title: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Capo on January 07, 2009, 08:45:36 AM http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2009/january/5-11/jan0609-new-ducati-1200gs-rival/?R=EPI-105341 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2009/january/5-11/jan0609-new-ducati-1200gs-rival/?R=EPI-105341)
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Slag on January 07, 2009, 08:52:19 AM Very interesting! If it really does have the 1098's engine in it then I have found my bike [bow_down]
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: derby on January 07, 2009, 08:55:59 AM they need to get a pic of it's face. the 'strada never had a problem with it's ass.
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: zooom on January 07, 2009, 08:58:18 AM I am somehow doubting the 1098 motor...it would be incredulously ridiculous to have an on road biased adventure bike with a SBK motor....
now...if that is the replacement for the ST...that could be a whole horse of a different color... remember...MCN = Enquirer of motorcyle news. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Slag on January 07, 2009, 09:02:49 AM I was kinda expecting the two bikes to be merged into one. A smaller, sportier touring bike. More fairing than the multi, but less bulk than the ST. Triumph did something similar with the Trophy, Sprint. Granted, the Sprint started life as a sport tourer as well.
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Raux on January 07, 2009, 10:14:34 AM maybe they'll bring it in two flavors, the 1098 -watercooled version for the powermad crowd and the 1100-air cooled version just like they did with the ST2 vs ST4
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: swampduc on January 07, 2009, 10:24:52 AM maybe they'll bring it in two flavors, the 1098 -watercooled version for the powermad crowd and the 1100-air cooled version just like they did with the ST2 vs ST4 Weren't there rumors recently about an air-cooled 1200 engine? I think one of the above scenarios would be much more likely.Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: danaid on January 07, 2009, 12:18:47 PM I am somehow doubting the 1098 motor...it would be incredulously ridiculous to have an on road biased adventure bike with a SBK motor.... now...if that is the replacement for the ST...that could be a whole horse of a different color... remember...MCN = Enquirer of motorcyle news. True about MCN, but the new issue of motorcyclist had a small paragraph hinting at a similar bike, " The Streetfighter won't be the only Ducati model recycling the 1098 motor, now that its Superbikes have grown to 1198cc. At a heavily guarded EICMA reception (so secret that mobile phones and cameras were confiscated at the door). Ducati dealers previewed a 2010 model that features the 1098 twin in a Multistrada-style adventure-touring chassis. Details remain scarce, but this sounds like the rumored Strada Aperta (open road) machine Ducati is developing to compete directly against BMW's very successful R1200GS (more than 30,000 units sold in 2008). You'll know more as soon as we know more." Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: DesmoDiva on January 07, 2009, 01:20:30 PM they need to get a pic of it's face. the 'strada never had a problem with it's ass. [laugh] [laugh] so true.........so true Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: akmnstr on January 07, 2009, 01:46:37 PM As an adventure rider I couldn't be more disappointed. And what the hell is a road based adventure bike. If you can't ride an adventure bike on gravel, over washboard, fire roads, blm and national forest roads what is the point. Maybe there is a new class of rider that I just haven't met yet, adventure rider possers, or adventure rider dudes, or (let me lay it out there plan and simple) pussies. ??? ??? :P
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Triple J on January 07, 2009, 02:19:33 PM I expect the new MTS to be a cross between the current Multi, and the previous ST bikes. The 1098 engine seems to reinforce that. I just can't see Ducati coming out with a bike with any real off-road aspirations. I've taken my MTS on fire roads, but I don't pretend that is what Ducati had in mind when they designed the bike.
Ducati makes road bikes. It's what they know and they should stick to that. If you want an adventure bike, go buy a BMW or a KTM. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: cyrus buelton on January 07, 2009, 03:21:48 PM Looks like Ducati keeps building new bikes out of old parts
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Triple J on January 07, 2009, 03:37:06 PM Looks like Ducati keeps building new bikes out of old parts Because they re-use an engine? ??? That's just good business since they've already spent the R&D $ on it. Like the styling or not, the Streetfighter is definitely not a parts bin bike, as are any of the other recent new models. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: akmnstr on January 07, 2009, 05:53:07 PM Looks like Ducati keeps building new bikes out of old parts It is not just Ducati, but it seems that every manufacturer (except Buell and Aprilia) must produce a surplus of sportbike engines and then after about a year in the sportbikes, those engines are replaced and the left overs are put into a naked bikes or some other form. Sometimes leftovers are good, but this ain't pea soup. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: akmnstr on January 07, 2009, 06:00:01 PM Quote If you want an adventure bike, go buy a BMW or a KTM. I already did that. [laugh] Ducati could have made a better adventure bike than either BMW, KTM, or Kawasaki. They understand how to make a light bike. A modern version of the elefant would have kicked ass. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: DesmoDiva on January 07, 2009, 06:01:21 PM It is not just Ducati, but it seems that every manufacturer (except Buell and Aprilia) must produce a surplus of sportbike engines and then after about a year in the sportbikes, those engines are replaced and the left overs are put into a naked bikes or some other form. Sometimes leftovers are good, but this ain't pea soup. Does this have anything to do with SBK homogolation (sp?) rules? Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: cyrus buelton on January 07, 2009, 07:04:30 PM Because they re-use an engine? ??? That's just good business since they've already spent the R&D $ on it. Like the styling or not, the Streetfighter is definitely not a parts bin bike, as are any of the other recent new models. Didn't the article also say it was using the 1098 swingarm? Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Triple J on January 07, 2009, 07:22:55 PM Didn't the article also say it was using the 1098 swingarm? Same basic swingarm design. I believe the Streetfighter swingarm is longer though...but I could be wrong. That doesn't make it a parts bin bike either though. The 1098 swingarm fits with the 1098 engine, and it uses a new manufacturing process which allows it to be extremely light over earlier SSS. Why wouldn't they re-use it? Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: BastrdHK on January 07, 2009, 09:44:30 PM Its going to be more ST than strada.....guaranteed 8)
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: flynbulldog on January 07, 2009, 09:50:41 PM Sorry, I don't buy it either.
Using the SBK engine in the MTS just doesn't make sense. That big tire and swingarm are puzzling too. I'm not drinking this koolaid. [drink] Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: zooom on January 08, 2009, 06:39:20 AM Does this have anything to do with SBK homogolation (sp?) rules? NO...racing homologation rules are for a certain number of units of a particular model for to meet requirements initially to compete and then they have to use specific parts of identical counterpart to what would be rolling out under a customers butt on the showroom floor...they are pretty dam specific about what you can and can't change for to race....and parts in circulation under other models as well doesn't count unless you are racing that model also in the same series. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: zooom on January 08, 2009, 06:39:51 AM Sorry, I don't buy it either. Using the SBK engine in the MTS just doesn't make sense. That big tire and swingarm are puzzling too. I'm not drinking this koolaid. [drink] I'm in the same boat with you... Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: DesmoDiva on January 08, 2009, 07:45:21 AM NO...racing homologation rules are for a certain number of units of a particular model for to meet requirements initially to compete and then they have to use specific parts of identical counterpart to what would be rolling out under a customers butt on the showroom floor...they are pretty dam specific about what you can and can't change for to race....and parts in circulation under other models as well doesn't count unless you are racing that model also in the same series. thanks for the education. [thumbsup] Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Capo on January 08, 2009, 08:16:57 AM Ducati operates a Just In Time manufacturing process, there are no warehouses full of engines.
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: cyrus buelton on January 08, 2009, 01:52:49 PM Ducati operates a Just In Time manufacturing process, there are no warehouses full of engines. gotta link for that? Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: mitt on January 08, 2009, 02:27:08 PM gotta link for that? That is a quote from the factory tour if I recall correctly from my trip in 2003. But, JIT is not an absolute definition - it isn't like they cast each engine case for each one at a time bike. They run a lot of cases and have them on a shelf. Each engine is made for each bike, so that maybe is JIT. But, there is a definite chance that they have a bunch of parts xyz left over, and use them up on lower end models. Also, they should want to maximize tooling ROI, so they should run the tool until it is worn out, or the product is too obsolete to sell. mitt Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: goldFiSh on January 09, 2009, 02:17:26 AM That is a quote from the factory tour if I recall correctly from my trip in 2003. +1. I recall that from the factory tour in 2006 8) what, it's been three years? Time to plan another one! Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: herm on January 09, 2009, 04:39:00 AM Ducati operates a Just In Time manufacturing process, there are no warehouses full of engines. seriously now. who has ever received there parts in time from ducati? BOT..wasnt there something going around about an air cooled 1200cc? Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Drjones on January 09, 2009, 05:50:37 AM Working under the philosophy for the last 10 years; nothing is ever just in time. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: cyrus buelton on January 09, 2009, 02:51:54 PM That is a quote from the factory tour if I recall correctly from my trip in 2003. But, JIT is not an absolute definition - it isn't like they cast each engine case for each one at a time bike. They run a lot of cases and have them on a shelf. Each engine is made for each bike, so that maybe is JIT. But, there is a definite chance that they have a bunch of parts xyz left over, and use them up on lower end models. Also, they should want to maximize tooling ROI, so they should run the tool until it is worn out, or the product is too obsolete to sell. mitt Ah, got it now. It is a suito JIT production. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: NAKID on January 09, 2009, 10:56:45 PM Ah, got it now. It is a pseudo JIT production. Fixed... Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: zooom on January 12, 2009, 05:52:53 AM I talked to one of the dealers in my area at the IMS show, whom is a more trustworthy source to take from, and he said there are many rumors flying around, but there is nothing that has been said down from corporate to dealer level...he said that he saw the Streetfighter in the flesh finished and ready back in September after signing a disclosure agreement to not be able to say a word without forfitting the ability to recieve any stock for 2009....so his word was there has been nothing like that put intio motion officially yet...so my guess is...if anything is to be said or done...it will be later this year for a 2010 model line-up release.
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: A.duc.H.duc. on January 12, 2009, 06:09:58 PM they need to get a pic of it's face. the 'strada never had a problem with it's ass. That's the truth. It is interesting... Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: squidwood on January 14, 2009, 05:18:19 AM The Multi is like most women, the ass is looking good, but the face...........I have seen some that could crack 1 inch inconel they where that ugly [laugh]
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Travman on January 27, 2009, 06:25:35 PM The Multistrada replacement may have been spotted in action. Looks like it will be water cooled if this is the bike.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2009/january/26-31/jan2709-ducati-multistrada-spy-shots/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2009/january/26-31/jan2709-ducati-multistrada-spy-shots/) Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: DesmoDiva on January 27, 2009, 06:55:32 PM Looks interesting. Can't wait to see it without the foam and tape.
[popcorn] Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: mitt on January 28, 2009, 06:11:59 AM Looks like it will be water cooled if this is the bike. Sure does. Not sure how I feel about that, but I don't own one anyway. I wonder if it is a 2/3/4 valve engine? mitt Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: metaldoc on January 28, 2009, 06:44:28 AM Sure does. Not sure how I feel about that, but I don't own one anyway. I wonder if it is a 2/3/4 valve engine? mitt Everything I've heard says it's a 4 valve, i.e. 1098 motor. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: sally101 on January 28, 2009, 07:02:07 AM Some close-ups here:
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/01/spied-2010-ducati-adventure-to.html#more (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/01/spied-2010-ducati-adventure-to.html#more) Definately a watercooled 4 valve engine.. 99% sure it's the 1098.. Crazy weird exhaust.. Can't be the end product.. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: zooom on January 28, 2009, 07:26:59 AM the beak on that is very birdlike...moreso than the Hyper...not sure I like that incarnation....and I especially am not so keen on a 4valve motor in it...but that is just me...
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: greenmonster on January 28, 2009, 07:39:04 AM Quote Maybe there is a new class of rider that I just haven't met yet, adventure rider possers, It exists. GS1200 riders w the full "I`m just about to cross Africa"- kit while their bikes never even seen grovel.... [laugh] Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: mitt on January 28, 2009, 08:24:42 AM Some close-ups here: http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/01/spied-2010-ducati-adventure-to.html#more (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/01/spied-2010-ducati-adventure-to.html#more) Definately a watercooled 4 valve engine.. 99% sure it's the 1098.. Crazy weird exhaust.. Can't be the end product.. How can you tell it has 4valves off a picture? Not saying it doesn't (it probably does), but I thought they might do a st3 like engine for a tourer. mitt Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Raux on January 28, 2009, 08:27:57 AM either that rider is a totally tiny dude or that bike is HUGE
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: sally101 on January 28, 2009, 08:44:36 AM How can you tell it has 4valves off a picture? Not saying it doesn't (it probably does), but I thought they might do a st3 like engine for a tourer. mitt I am no expert, but the oversize heads in that engine close-up tend to be associated with the extra hardware in there for the 4 valve setup. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Speeddog on January 28, 2009, 08:56:58 AM From that engine pic, it's a TestaStretta.
Maybe it's an 848? That bike is fairly big, and yeah, the rider is on the small side. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: webspoke on January 28, 2009, 12:16:51 PM Interesting that the swingarm/shock configuration look m696/m1100, yet the bike is water cooled. Also check out some of the shots that show the side of the frame, again a big cast section, like the m696/m1100.
[popcorn] Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: danaid on January 28, 2009, 09:26:11 PM either that rider is a totally tiny dude or that bike is HUGE +++1, HaHaHa, [laugh] I was thinking the same thing! Title: Ducati Adventure Tourer spy shots Post by: JEFF_H on January 29, 2009, 09:02:13 AM http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/01/spied-2010-ducati-adventure-to.html (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/01/spied-2010-ducati-adventure-to.html)
i hope their test rider is 5'0" otherwise that bike is ginormous Title: Re: Ducati Adventure Tourer spy shots Post by: Oldfisti on January 29, 2009, 09:22:33 AM Hey Jeff. Sorry to pull a http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28) on you, but...
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17390.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17390.0) ;D Title: Re: Ducati Adventure Tourer spy shots Post by: JEFF_H on January 29, 2009, 09:48:46 AM um, can i change the title to -more pictures posted?
DERBY! (http://scifipedia.scifi.com/images/thumb/7/72/Khaaaaan.jpg/260px-Khaaaaan.jpg) Title: Re: Ducati Adventure Tourer spy shots Post by: Oldfisti on January 29, 2009, 09:50:44 AM Your pictures are better. [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Ducati Adventure Tourer spy shots Post by: Fox on January 29, 2009, 10:04:16 AM I think 5'0 might be an over-estimate of the riders height.
Title: codename: Hyperstrada Post by: kerem on January 30, 2009, 08:50:27 AM Can somebody post the picture in the below link please.
http://www.motorradonline.de/news/neuer-sporttourer-von-ducati---2010--ducati-hyperstrada.330526.htm (http://www.motorradonline.de/news/neuer-sporttourer-von-ducati---2010--ducati-hyperstrada.330526.htm) According to trustworthy sources, Ducati has started road-testing the new all-rounder, codenamed as Hyperstrada. Look out BMW! Title: Re: codename: Hyperstrada Post by: Triple J on January 30, 2009, 08:55:47 AM About 1/2 way down the page.
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17390.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17390.0) Title: Re: codename: Hyperstrada Post by: kerem on January 30, 2009, 08:58:21 AM sorry... any moderators out there, please feel free to remove the topic
Title: Re: codename: Hyperstrada Post by: LA on January 30, 2009, 08:58:39 AM Looks pretty good to me. I like it.
LA Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: flynbulldog on January 30, 2009, 09:43:25 AM Guys there's no doubt that this is a four valve 1098 platform.
What you are missing is that this bike is NOT a Multistrada! Read the article, it clearly states that the new bike is not meant to replace the multi and is not intended as a GS type adventure bike. It's likely a new platform that would satisfy the needs of both Multi and ST riders (minus the offroad ability) but I wouldn't count on it being a Miltistrad replacement [bacon] Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: herm on January 30, 2009, 10:25:14 AM well, i hope you're right. it doesn't do it for me
but i also hope they do a better job when they do replace the multi... Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Randy@StradaFab on January 30, 2009, 02:37:45 PM I hope this isn't the Multi replacement. Has anyone else noticed that every year the tail-end gets higher! How hard is it to design a bike that you can ride without having wrist pain and your balls smashed against the tank, or your passenger sliding into you at every stop. That's one of the great things about the Multi, it's comfortable to ride! The ST was great for touring , if you were 20 years old. Either make a touring bike or not. The bike in the pic might as well be Streetfighter II. That sloped down pillion seat isn't going to work for anyone.
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Triple J on July 07, 2009, 02:32:08 PM Latest spy shot!
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/258/nuevamulti.jpg) Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: NAKID on July 07, 2009, 02:50:10 PM So the Multi IS going to a 4-valve?
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: factorPlayer on July 07, 2009, 02:51:06 PM Interesting... definitely a radiator there, no underseat exhaust and of course ohlins front forks... looks promising.
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: TAftonomos on July 07, 2009, 03:24:00 PM No full trellis for the LOSS.
Dunno, but hopefully it's a homerun. That will tank the value of all the multis out there and I can finally afford one. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: NAKID on July 07, 2009, 03:33:24 PM Interesting... definitely a radiator there, no underseat exhaust and of course ohlins front forks... looks promising. And definitely a 1098 based motor in there as well... Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: sbrguy on July 07, 2009, 03:34:58 PM this is looking lke an fz1 yamaha honestly.
maybe they jack it up a litlte bit to give it more of a hypermotard look but it looking like the fz1 Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Raux on July 10, 2009, 11:46:07 AM speaking of spy shots. i think i know who possibly could be the rider in the one photo. She works at the factory and is the daughter of a great italian racer. didn't catch her name but have a photo. will post later. she apparently was one second off the track record at the Ducati test track. and yes she's about 5' and a little more.
Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: superjohn on July 11, 2009, 06:56:33 AM Interesting... definitely a radiator there, no underseat exhaust and of course ohlins front forks... looks promising. Is the thing hanging off the back tire for ABS? Looks like a similar setup that's on a BMW Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Speeddog on July 11, 2009, 10:57:57 AM Is the thing hanging off the back tire for ABS? Looks like a similar setup that's on a BMW I think that's one of those goofy mini-fenders like what some of the Beemers have. Title: Re: Multistrada Replacement Post by: Triple J on July 11, 2009, 12:31:16 PM I think that's one of those goofy mini-fenders like what some of the Beemers have. +1. Looks that way to me also. |