Multistrada Replacement

Started by Capo, January 07, 2009, 08:45:36 AM

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DesmoDiva

Quote from: akmnstr on January 07, 2009, 05:53:07 PM
It is not just Ducati, but it seems that every manufacturer (except Buell and Aprilia) must produce a surplus of sportbike engines and then
after about a year in the sportbikes, those engines are replaced and the left overs are put into a naked bikes or some other form. 
Sometimes leftovers are good, but this ain't pea soup.

Does this have anything to do with SBK homogolation (sp?) rules?   
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cyrus buelton

Quote from: Triple J on January 07, 2009, 03:37:06 PM
Because they re-use an engine?  ??? That's just good business since they've already spent the R&D $ on it.

Like the styling or not, the Streetfighter is definitely not a parts bin bike, as are any of the other recent new models.

Didn't the article also say it was using the 1098 swingarm?
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Triple J

Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 07, 2009, 07:04:30 PM
Didn't the article also say it was using the 1098 swingarm?

Same basic swingarm design. I believe the Streetfighter swingarm is longer though...but I could be wrong. That doesn't make it a parts bin bike either though. The 1098 swingarm fits with the 1098 engine, and it uses a new manufacturing process which allows it to be extremely light over earlier SSS. Why wouldn't they re-use it?

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Its going to be more ST than strada.....guaranteed 8)
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flynbulldog

Sorry, I don't buy it either.
Using the SBK engine in the MTS just doesn't make sense.
That big tire and swingarm are puzzling too.  I'm not drinking this koolaid.  [drink]

zooom

Quote from: DesmoDiva on January 07, 2009, 06:01:21 PM
Does this have anything to do with SBK homogolation (sp?) rules?   

NO...racing homologation rules are for a certain number of units of a particular model for to meet requirements initially to compete and then they have to use specific parts of identical counterpart to what would be rolling out under a customers butt on the showroom floor...they are pretty dam specific about what you can and can't change for to race....and parts in circulation under other models as well doesn't count unless you are racing that model also in the same series.
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zooom

Quote from: flynbulldog on January 07, 2009, 09:50:41 PM
Sorry, I don't buy it either.
Using the SBK engine in the MTS just doesn't make sense.
That big tire and swingarm are puzzling too.  I'm not drinking this koolaid.  [drink]

I'm in the same boat with you...
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DesmoDiva

Quote from: zooom on January 08, 2009, 06:39:20 AM
NO...racing homologation rules are for a certain number of units of a particular model for to meet requirements initially to compete and then they have to use specific parts of identical counterpart to what would be rolling out under a customers butt on the showroom floor...they are pretty dam specific about what you can and can't change for to race....and parts in circulation under other models as well doesn't count unless you are racing that model also in the same series.

thanks for the education.   [thumbsup]
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Capo

Ducati operates a Just In Time manufacturing process, there are no warehouses full of engines.


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cyrus buelton

Quote from: Capo on January 08, 2009, 08:16:57 AM
Ducati operates a Just In Time manufacturing process, there are no warehouses full of engines.

gotta link for that?
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mitt

Quote from: cyrus buelton on January 08, 2009, 01:52:49 PM
gotta link for that?

That is a quote from the factory tour if I recall correctly from my trip in 2003.

But, JIT is not an absolute definition - it isn't like they cast each engine case for each one at a time bike. They run a lot of cases and have them on a shelf.  Each engine is made for each bike, so that maybe is JIT.  But, there is a definite chance that they have a bunch of parts xyz left over, and use them up on lower end models.  Also, they should want to maximize tooling ROI, so they should run the tool until it is worn out, or the product is too obsolete to sell.

mitt

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Quote from: mitt on January 08, 2009, 02:27:08 PM
That is a quote from the factory tour if I recall correctly from my trip in 2003.

+1. I recall that from the factory tour in 2006  8)

what, it's been three years? Time to plan another one!


herm

Quote from: Capo on January 08, 2009, 08:16:57 AM
Ducati operates a Just In Time manufacturing process, there are no warehouses full of engines.

seriously now.
who has ever received there parts in time from ducati?

BOT..wasnt there something going around about an air cooled 1200cc?
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Quote from: mitt on January 08, 2009, 02:27:08 PM
That is a quote from the factory tour if I recall correctly from my trip in 2003.

But, JIT is not an absolute definition - it isn't like they cast each engine case for each one at a time bike. They run a lot of cases and have them on a shelf.  Each engine is made for each bike, so that maybe is JIT.  But, there is a definite chance that they have a bunch of parts xyz left over, and use them up on lower end models.  Also, they should want to maximize tooling ROI, so they should run the tool until it is worn out, or the product is too obsolete to sell.

mitt

Ah, got it now.

It is a suito JIT production.

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