miss the S*R swingarm. All the newer SSS arms can't compare in the looks dept. It looks so good in black.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/3167696735_eb262d521a.jpg?v=0)
I wish I had more money so this swingarm could be on my bike. In this month's Cycle world there are about 3 custom Suzukis with Ducati S*R swingarms. The bikes look silly, but their swingarms look awesome.
Looks good in black, but not so much in stock silver.....do you remember the thread "black gold" the anodized gold swing arm was the shit!
Yup, looks good in red too!
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN1623-1.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN2158.jpg)
;D
Black Gloss
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm143/Tarugo996/P1000620.jpg)
I agree, I think in years to come it will be one of the reasons collectors will want to own a Monster of that vintage.
My S2R 1000 is silver/black and I like the looks of the stock brushed aluminum finish SSS just fine...I think it "goes" with the rest of the bike.
I'd sotra like to see one with a higher polish on it than stock (and the welds cleaned up) but still left raw aluminum...Maybe polished up to an even matt (say 400 grit) finish and then clear anodized to keep it lookin' that way. I don't think it would look good high gloss unless the rest of the aluminum bits on the bike followed suit.
I like mine, but the MH900E SSSA is even better...
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/mh900rearside.jpg)
Me no likey SSS. :-\
Quote from: kopfjager on January 09, 2009, 04:01:15 PM
Me no likey SSS. :-\
KILL THE HERETIC!
(http://ine.250x.com/images/photoimages/python/shhh.jpg)
Quote from: Old-Duckman on January 09, 2009, 03:33:47 PM
I agree, I think in years to come it will be one of the reasons collectors will want to own a Monster of that vintage.
My S2R 1000 is silver/black and I like the looks of the stock brushed aluminum finish SSS just fine...I think it "goes" with the rest of the bike.
I'd sotra like to see one with a higher polish on it than stock (and the welds cleaned up) but still left raw aluminum...Maybe polished up to an even matt (say 400 grit) finish and then clear anodized to keep it lookin' that way. I don't think it would look good high gloss unless the rest of the aluminum bits on the bike followed suit.
Me too, I like mine for the same reason. Great minds think alike! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Rameses on January 09, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
I'm with you.
True a SSS will never be as sexy as a DSS, so square so sexy.......
:P
(http://genchem.chem.wisc.edu/demonstrations/Images/05gases/bar.jpg)
mine, swapped under warranty... thanks DNA!
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn308/breuniga/DSC01248.jpg)
Quote from: kopfjager on January 09, 2009, 04:01:15 PM
Me no likey SSS. :-\
Quote from: Rameses on January 09, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
I'm with you.
Philistines. Rameses I understand, but Kopfjager...I had hopes for you after your holiday menu post. :'(
;D
Quote from: Ducatiloo on January 09, 2009, 07:27:06 PM
True a SSS will never be as sexy as a DSS, so square so sexy.......
:P
(http://genchem.chem.wisc.edu/demonstrations/Images/05gases/bar.jpg)
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
the SBK ones are better
Asymmetry confuses me.
>:(
technically speaking. which is better?
is the DSS stiffer?
I know the benefit of the SSS for quick wheel/sprocket change for the track, but for the street is that needed?
which one is mechanically simpler? total compenents?
what about weight? which is lighter (including all unsprung compenents)?
Quote from: Phil Istine on January 10, 2009, 03:19:02 AM
Asymmetry confuses me.
>:(
You should take my course. We put a little "math" behind asymmetry that might make it a little more palatable to you. ;D
Besides, asymmetry is completely natural. Take the amino acids for example...
Quote from: pompetta on January 10, 2009, 06:19:49 AM
You should take my course. We put a little "math" behind asymmetry that might make it a little more palatable to you. ;D
Besides, asymmetry is completely natural. Take the amino acids for example...
Don't be gettin' all technical. :P
Quote from: pompetta on January 10, 2009, 06:19:49 AM
Besides, asymmetry is completely natural. Take the amino acids for example..
the only circumstance in nature where being a lefty is a good thing!
Quote from: just another painter on January 10, 2009, 06:30:08 AM
Don't be gettin' all technical. :P
Sorry. :P
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 10, 2009, 06:31:49 AM
the only circumstance in nature where being a lefty is a good thing!
Hmmm...I'm not much of a biochemist, but what's the handedness of a double helix?
Quote from: pompetta on January 10, 2009, 06:36:23 AM
Sorry. :P
I
could show you an example of asymmetry you might have different thoughts on. ;D
Quote from: pompetta on January 10, 2009, 06:36:23 AM
Hmmm...I'm not much of a biochemist, but what's the handedness of a double helix?
i was referring to amino acids used in the body, like L-Leucine or L-Histidine.
the only double helix structure I can think of right now is typical DNA, which is a construct of aminos.
DNA is bisexual. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Raux on January 10, 2009, 03:47:51 AM
technically speaking. which is better?
is the DSS stiffer?
I know the benefit of the SSS for quick wheel/sprocket change for the track, but for the street is that needed?
which one is mechanically simpler? total compenents?
what about weight? which is lighter (including all unsprung compenents)?
Depends which marketing dog and pony show you read. When they went to sss on the monster, they said it was lighter and stiffer. But, when they went to dss on the 999, it was better than the 998. Then the 1098 is better than the 999. But, the sedici is a dss, as well as all Japanese bikes. blah blah blah.
From a purely engineering standpoint, I can't imagine a sss being as strong as a dss with equal material and equal part weights.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on January 10, 2009, 07:06:53 AM
Depends which marketing dog and pony show you read. When they went to sss on the monster, they said it was lighter and stiffer. But, when they went to dss on the 999, it was better than the 998. Then the 1098 is better than the 999. But, the sedici is a dss, as well as all Japanese bikes. blah blah blah.
From a purely engineering standpoint, I can't imagine a sss being as strong as a dss with equal material and equal part weights.
mitt
the DSS of the 999, i remember, was supposed to have been better but it was the styling pundits that killed it. the SSS was only brought back due to customer sytling demands not engineering. the fact that the D16 has DSS should go a long way to the argument that DSS are functionally superior. just not as cool looking.
Quote from: mitt on January 10, 2009, 07:06:53 AM
Depends which marketing dog and pony show you read. When they went to sss on the monster, they said it was lighter and stiffer. But, when they went to dss on the 999, it was better than the 998. Then the 1098 is better than the 999. But, the sedici is a dss, as well as all Japanese bikes. blah blah blah.
you've described a progression of motorcycle technology, of course each successive versions
should be superior to the prior, regardless if it is DSS vs SSS. Better design tools should translate to a better design (plus, advances in metallurgy and casting over the last decade.
I know investment casting went thru huge leaps and bounds in the last 20 years (thanks to Pinetree). (yes I know the Ducati stuff isn't investment cast, but that is only an example of modern metallurgy updates).
QuoteFrom a purely engineering standpoint, I can't imagine a sss being as strong as a dss with equal material and equal part weights.
mitt
Yes, with "equal material and equal weights" you limit the design quite a bit. The SxR bikes' SSS uses a fully tubular design which is stronger than a box design (same reason modern tow hitches are tube and not box).
If you had a tubular DSS, it would probably be stiffer, but the tube stuff is more expensive to work on.
Quote from: pompetta on January 10, 2009, 06:36:23 AM
Hmmm...I'm not much of a biochemist, but what's the handedness of a double helix?
<geek>
DNA is most often found in right-handed forms (A and B), but occasionally in a left-handed form (Z). I once worked at a DNA sequencing company, and the CSO once gave a presentation to the Scientific Advisory Board that accidentally included a mirror image picture of the double helix...he was very embarrassed when it was pointed out to him.
A B & Z:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/A-DNA%2C_B-DNA_and_Z-DNA.png/800px-A-DNA%2C_B-DNA_and_Z-DNA.png)
</geek>
<engineering geek>
In an optimized design, for the same weight of the same material, a DSS will be stiffer and stronger than a SSS.
That's why there's no SSS on MotoGP bikes.
Motorcycles that are for sale to the public are partially constrained by styling, image, production cost, etc., so non-optimized designs are often used.
</engineering geek>
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 10, 2009, 08:17:24 AM
The SxR bikes' SSS uses a fully tubular design which is stronger than a box design (same reason modern tow hitches are tube and not box).
The S*R swing arm is made up of two parts welded together, one of which is cast.
Less Techy talk...more pics please!!!! ;D
You guys are killing me here. My SSS is getting powdercoated right now along with the pegs and engine covers.
I love this board.
Swingarms, sarcasm, symmetry, chemistry and engineering all in one thread. ;D
Quote from: Capo on January 10, 2009, 09:14:23 AM
The S*R swing arm is made up of two parts welded together, one of which is cast.
it's actually seven tubes and two castings.
(at least i think the hub carrier is a casting, i would have to go look. it may be a machined extrusion. hmmm)
The front is cast, the rear is an extrusion
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 10, 2009, 08:17:24 AM
Yes, with "equal material and equal weights" you limit the design quite a bit. The SxR bikes' SSS uses a fully tubular design which is stronger than a box design (same reason modern tow hitches are tube and not box).
If you had a tubular DSS, it would probably be stiffer, but the tube stuff is more expensive to work on.
Not entirely true...
For equal volume (weight) members, tubular may or may not be stiffer than a boxed frame. If it is in bending, a box (rectangle actually) will win. If it is in torsion, a tube will win. If it is in compression, they are basically equal unless the member is long enough to buckle. If it is for looks, then that is up to the beholder.
Most stressed members are actually optimal in some odd custom shape that is perfect for the application. But, for off the shelf selection and fabrication, a lot of parts come out as tubes or boxes even though a pear/conical/organic shape would be better.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on January 10, 2009, 10:38:38 AM
Not entirely true...
For equal volume (weight) members, tubular may or may not be stiffer than a boxed frame. If it is in bending, a box (rectangle actually) will win. If it is in torsion, a tube will win. If it is in compression, they are basically equal unless the member is long enough to buckle. If it is for looks, then that is up to the beholder.
Most stressed members are actually optimal in some odd custom shape that is perfect for the application. But, for off the shelf selection and fabrication, a lot of parts come out as tubes or boxes even though a pear/conical/organic shape would be better.
mitt
good facts.
seems to me that torsion is a more relevant factor for swingarms than bending, no?
The SSS are heavier, no?
Although I knew I wanted an S4R, this little gem of engineering was one of the reasons I really love this bike. I always draw admirers' attention to it, so much nicer than the usual swingarm.
Quote from: CowboyBeebop on January 10, 2009, 01:10:30 PM
The SSS are heavier, no?
Depends which side you weigh. [cheeky]
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 10, 2009, 01:03:47 PM
good facts.
seems to me that torsion is a more relevant factor for swingarms than bending, no?
That's a good question.
For a sss, maybe.
But for a dss, I'd say no. Since both ends of the axle are supported, there's little to no torsional force on each side of the swingarm.
Quote from: Rameses on January 11, 2009, 09:49:23 AM
That's a good question.
For a sss, maybe.
But for a dss, I'd say no. Since both ends of the axle are supported, there's little to no torsional force on each side of the swingarm.
i believe it is relevant -- even if you have a dss, the torsion is transferred to the frame. all bikes endure torsional forces when turning (leaning).
My SSS got me out of a speeding ticket once. ;)
Quote from: pompetta on January 10, 2009, 09:31:18 AM
I love this board.
Swingarms, sarcasm, symmetry, chemistry and engineering all in one thread. ;D
I still didn't see any hot chic. That's key!
Quote from: peanut_man on January 11, 2009, 06:40:30 PM
I still didn't see any hot chic. That's key!
here are 4
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8200/chickenhottubry1.jpg)
[roll]
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 11, 2009, 02:48:41 PM
i believe it is relevant -- even if you have a dss, the torsion is transferred to the frame. all bikes endure torsional forces when turning (leaning).
True.
But that's not a torsional force on the components of the swingarm itself.
That's bending one arm up and one arm down.
Quote from: Rameses on January 11, 2009, 08:15:03 PM
True.
But that's not a torsional force on the components of the swingarm itself.
That's bending one arm up and one arm down.
which would transfer to the swingarm pin in the engine case and torque the stressed engine case against the frame, no?
Swingarms, sarcasm, symmetry, chemistry and engineering all in one thread. And now even hot chicks [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 11, 2009, 08:27:55 PM
which would transfer to the swingarm pin in the engine case and torque the stressed engine case against the frame, no?
Yeah, but I thought we were talking about torsional forces on sss and dss swingarms made of round vs. square tube.
My head hurts.
Quote from: Rameses on January 11, 2009, 11:17:10 PM
Yeah, but I thought we were talking about torsional forces on sss and dss swingarms made of round vs. square tube.
My head hurts.
we are! but a swingarm doesn't operate in a vacuum, it is attached to the bike, so any affect on the swingarm has a complementary effect on the bike.
now here is another thought and i've never looked into it -- are there any significant frame differences better the SSS and DSS monsters? such as an extra beam or support? i am curious now.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on January 12, 2009, 03:41:09 AM
we are! but a swingarm doesn't operate in a vacuum, it is attached to the bike, so any affect on the swingarm has a complementary effect on the bike.
now here is another thought and i've never looked into it -- are there any significant frame differences better the SSS and DSS monsters? such as an extra beam or support? i am curious now.
Not to my knowledge. On the Monsters (and 851/888) the swingarm mounts to the engine case. (pivots behind big bolt for rearsets on S4R) Beginning with the 916, superbikes have an extra bit of frame that drops down and reinforces this area.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/ryanful1/2f89_4.jpg) (http://www.ducwc.ca/images/SBK%201098R_08S_R_G01S%20%5B558x419%5D.jpg)
Quote from: CowboyBeebop on January 10, 2009, 01:10:30 PM
The SSS are heavier, no?
To give some perspective, the 916 SSS weighs 9.4kg, the 999 DSS is 4.9kg
Quote from: Capo on January 12, 2009, 02:26:18 PM
To give some perspective, the 916 SSS weighs 9.4kg, the 999 DSS is 4.9kg
Don't forget that the SSS possibly has a heavier rear wheel and sprocket carrier too. I think the S2R1000 was a tad lighter than the M1000 of the same year (~10 lbs) for some reason though.
Speaking about assymetry, nature has it a plenty and boy is it nice. Just take the shirt/bra off of any woman w/ good sized blossums !
I'm still on the fence about liking the sss or dss on the ole monster.
Quote from: alfisti on January 12, 2009, 08:27:52 AM
Not to my knowledge. On the Monsters (and 851/888) the swingarm mounts to the engine case. (pivots behind big bolt for rearsets on S4R) Beginning with the 916, superbikes have an extra bit of frame that drops down and reinforces this area.
all the belt drive L twins have the swingarm in the engine case but i forgot about the 916's extra engine mount point -- probably needed to stiffen the frame -- now the question remains if that was needed due to the SSS? and did it remain on the 999 for advantage?
Quote from: Capo on January 12, 2009, 02:26:18 PM
To give some perspective, the 916 SSS weighs 9.4kg, the 999 DSS is 4.9kg
How much does a SSS from the S4RS weigh Vs. a 999 DSS?
Anybody know?
LA
Lemme see what I can do on the weight of those swingers.
I've got an OEM Aluminum swinger, standard DSS unit, I can weigh that.
As far as the frame stiffening and different bearing setup associated with a SBK:
SBK has bearings in the swingarm, so they're spaced further apart than on the Monster.
That's a substantial improvement.
Through bolting through the frame is a major upgrade as well.
IMO, the extra stiffness of the SBK mounting isn't necessary with a monster on the street.
YMMV.
Quote from: Speeddog on January 12, 2009, 10:13:49 PM
Lemme see what I can do on the weight of those swingers.
I've got an OEM Aluminum swinger, standard DSS unit, I can weigh that.
I'd love to know what an aluminum Monster DSS weighs. I'd wager its a good bit lighter than the SSS.
Quote from: CowboyBeebop on January 13, 2009, 12:05:47 AM
I'd love to know what an aluminum Monster DSS weighs. I'd wager its a good bit lighter than the SSS.
+1 - I would bet a starbucks on that too. Late model Al DSS versus S2R SSS.
mitt
Quote from: Speeddog on January 12, 2009, 10:13:49 PM
SBK has bearings in the swingarm, so they're spaced further apart than on the Monster.
That's a substantial improvement.
Through bolting through the frame is a major upgrade as well.
do you mean the SBK's swingarm pin is captive in the frame and thus, the engine? that's a big difference. much easier to seal and maintain.
I would like to hear the weight dif. on the swingarms. I have heard one of the main reasons for switching back to a DSS on the race bikes was due to the current trend of loosening the chassis for suspension when the bike is leaned over. With a SSS any pivoting of the swingarm will turn the rear wheel, on a DSS is can move like a parallelogram keeping the tire moving strait.
Aluminum DSS from an S4, with axle adjusters and wedge bolts, no pivot pin.
10.5 lbs.
Quote from: Raux on January 10, 2009, 03:47:51 AM
technically speaking. which is better?
is the DSS stiffer?
I know the benefit of the SSS for quick wheel/sprocket change for the track, but for the street is that needed?
which one is mechanically simpler? total compenents?
what about weight? which is lighter (including all unsprung compenents)?
On street regular street bikes, an SSS is faster to change out a wheel and tension the chain, etc.
But those MotoGP guys can change out a wheel in under 30 seconds. It is pretty amazing to watch them.
And it is very difficult to find an aftermarket SSS that is more than 3 feet long.
If the SSS will support double the weight, handle twice the stress, and last twice as long as the bike.
And the DSS will support triple the weight, handle three times the stress, and last three times as long as the bike. Who cares. Both are overkill. It goes back to looks.
+1 for the SSS.
My brother (in the sibling since) was over the other day on his stretched out, lime green, Gixxer the other day. He was staring at my monster and said, "Not sure if you could stretch that swingarm out." +2 (+3,+4,+5) for the SSS as a brother (in the 65 Impala since) defense.
Just for the record, I ride with my brother now and again, but he powdercoats, so it's worth the trade.
http://www.gcshopping.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=142&osCsid=ec126096b80b633ab992c46ae2ed2f9c (http://www.gcshopping.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=142&osCsid=ec126096b80b633ab992c46ae2ed2f9c)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/greggscu/Greggs/SAweb5.jpg)
Side-Arm 240 kit pictured on a 2006 Suzuki GSXR1000. This is a +4" kit in chrome with Performance Machine Chrome Torque Wheels.
Quote from: alfisti on February 01, 2009, 08:11:18 AM
http://www.gcshopping.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=142&osCsid=ec126096b80b633ab992c46ae2ed2f9c (http://www.gcshopping.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=142&osCsid=ec126096b80b633ab992c46ae2ed2f9c)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/greggscu/Greggs/SAweb5.jpg)
Side-Arm 240 kit pictured on a 2006 Suzuki GSXR1000. This is a +4" kit in chrome with Performance Machine Chrome Torque Wheels.
If my brother saw this, I would never here the end of it.
They make 'em up to +6" ;D
Quote from: psycledelic on February 01, 2009, 08:16:04 AM
If my brother saw this, I would never here the end of it.
What's his email address? [cheeky]
Quote from: alfisti on January 12, 2009, 08:27:52 AM
Not to my knowledge. On the Monsters (and 851/888) the swingarm mounts to the engine case. (pivots behind big bolt for rearsets on S4R) Beginning with the 916, superbikes have an extra bit of frame that drops down and reinforces this area.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/ryanful1/2f89_4.jpg) (http://www.ducwc.ca/images/SBK%201098R_08S_R_G01S%20%5B558x419%5D.jpg)
With that said, what's the purpose of the SSSA pivot mounting to the rearsets on the S#R's?
Quote from: DarkStaR on February 01, 2009, 08:50:18 AM
With that said, what's the purpose of the SSSA pivot mounting to the rearsets on the S#R's?
other way around, the pivot is a nice strong spot to mount the rearsets
Quote from: alfisti on February 01, 2009, 08:11:18 AM
http://www.gcshopping.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=142&osCsid=ec126096b80b633ab992c46ae2ed2f9c (http://www.gcshopping.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=142&osCsid=ec126096b80b633ab992c46ae2ed2f9c)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/greggscu/Greggs/SAweb5.jpg)
Side-Arm 240 kit pictured on a 2006 Suzuki GSXR1000. This is a +4" kit in chrome with Performance Machine Chrome Torque Wheels.
interesting they copied the SxR design, but otherwise:
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Quote from: ducatizzzz on February 01, 2009, 09:18:51 AM
interesting they copied the SxR design, but otherwise:
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All steel so pretty heavy to boot...
The side arm kit looks nice, but it should for $4000. Depending on tube thickness it my not be too much heaver than the Ducati SSS unless it's a lot longer. And if the arm is +4" wouldn't that kill the handling on the Japanese bikes? Or are they for drag racing mostly?
LA
Quote from: LA on February 02, 2009, 05:34:59 PM
Depending on tube thickness it my not be too much heaver than the Ducati SSS unless it's a lot longer.
The Ducati SxR swingarm is aluminum, the squidly one in the link is steel.
One can assume the latter is significantly heavier
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/vw151/Ducati%20no%20wheels/rearsprocket.jpg)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/vw151/Ducati%20no%20wheels/rearsprocketclose.jpg)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/vw151/Picture200.jpg)
It seems to be a very "low flex" swing arm. That is what my german buddies dad said that is the president of a company that makes precision grinders.
im confused, how did you get the rear wheel off without taking off the exhaust???
more pics of your bike? i love those gold wheels!!! PC?
Quote from: He Man on February 02, 2009, 08:10:46 PM
im confused, how did you get the rear wheel off without taking off the exhaust???
more pics of your bike? i love those gold wheels!!! PC?
he probably put the exhaust back on after removing the wheel.. no? i did the same thing just to keep the garage neat.
Quote from: LA on February 02, 2009, 05:34:59 PM
And if the arm is +4" wouldn't that kill the handling on the Japanese bikes? Or are they for drag racing mostly?
I think mostly they're for posing.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on February 02, 2009, 08:11:49 PM
he probably put the exhaust back on after removing the wheel.. no? i did the same thing just to keep the garage neat.
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Thats the only way, but its kind of redundant. I diged back a few post, and sure enough i asked him to post pics once!
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17332.msg306654#msg306654 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=17332.msg306654#msg306654)
LOVE THOSE WHEELS!!
Quote from: He Man on February 02, 2009, 08:10:46 PM
im confused, how did you get the rear wheel off without taking off the exhaust???
more pics of your bike? i love those gold wheels!!! PC?
I've done it both ways. If you wiggle it a little you can get the wheel off with the exhaust on. I can't remember if I took it off that time or not. Looks like I didn't. I think I usually end up getting the wheel off with the exhaust still attached but when I go to put the wheel on I end up removing it. I think I might have even got the wheel to go on with the exhaust on as well, it's just very tight. It is doable though, I think you are just risking scratching the wheel, I was a little more liberal with my old white one's since they were a little nicked up anyway.
I haven't tried it since I put the arrows on. Is it harder or easier with those?
Here is a pic of the bike with the iphone since I got it back.
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/vw151/Picture153-1.jpg)
and here is a sweet animated gif I made. :)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/vw151/Exhaust.gif)
Quote from: vw151 on February 03, 2009, 12:43:12 PM
I haven't tried it since I put the arrows on. Is it harder or easier with those?
You're fvcked with the Arrows, have to come off, IME.
Quote from: Speeddog on February 03, 2009, 01:34:45 PM
You're fvcked with the Arrows, have to come off, IME.
Oh well, no biggy.
Quote from: vw151 on February 03, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
Oh well, no biggy.
Chop the bracket that holds the can to the bike and drill another hole. I did and it worked and looked sweet. I had a post about it too. I was able to remove the wheel with no issues.
Quote from: Icon on February 03, 2009, 04:58:10 PM
Chop the bracket that holds the can to the bike and drill another hole. I did and it worked and looked sweet. I had a post about it too. I was able to remove the wheel with no issues.
got some pictures of that?