Ducati Monster Forum

QUESTION:

How is the sound of a Ex-Box system compared to a open udder on a S2R1K ?
I ask becasue I have never heard an Ex-Box in real life, and only have what people have said on here to compare.
I am having a hard time finding a loud system to put on my bike that will give me a open Termi sound, but will also keep the rear wheel open (cant cover it - way to pretty ;D). I know everyone is gonna say to go with BoomTubes but I am really not a fan of the look. I want my biek to be heard coming down the street, which it does not do now with the open udder. It sound good around the bike, but as the bike goes away from ya it is quiet..I want to keep the bike as "CLEAN" looking as possibile, which means keeping that rear wheel as open as possibile...
I dig the Ex-Box, but I am afarid it isnt gonna be as loud as I would like. Is their a way to remove baffles or something from the thing ?  I also plan to lower the bike in the rear around a inch or so, so I am guessing I would have ground clearance issues with the Ex-Box correct ?

Exbox is not as loud as open udder. Id say exbox is an 8 and udder is a 10.

I dont know how you think your bike cant be heard with open udder. My head hurts from that shit and so does everyone i ride with. Thats why im always last and wearing the biggest fattest disposable ear plugs known to man kind.

as far as sound quality goes. The udder is more thunderous. but otherwise the exact same tone as exbox. When i ride with my friend (695 exbox) and my S2R1000 open udder, it sounds like i have 4 cylinders and offset cams.

If you ride around bumps, i wouldnt recommend lowering the bike. that thing is slung very low. I really dig the looks of hte boomtubes, but i cant get over the fart noise it makes when u decel. The xbox looks make the beast with two backsng sick and is the perfect loudness, but it sounds nearly the same as the udder, and i cant fathom paying $1100 for the same sound..

I ride an s2r800, but am in the exact same camp as HeMan.
Love the exbox, can't justify the money because my open udder sounds sick.
Just wish it looked a little... less udder-y.

Thanks for the advice/heads up on the Ex-Box..
Maybe it is becasue I am used to HD's with open pipes that I think my open udder isnt that loud.
The udder isnt gutted, so whatever is in there is still there (maybe why it isnt that loud?).
Dont get me wrong, the bike sounds good to me (while I am riding it) and when you are around the bike but I have had people take my bike for a rip down the street and I can honestly say you really dont hear it after a few feet away (atleast not how I want the bike to sound). I hear guys ripping around the city with full/open Termi kits and thats exactly how I want my bike to sound, just cant get myself to cover up the back wheel with a muffler...

The only other system I would consider buying would be the dual sided Zard setup in black.
That system unbaffeled is susposed to be crazy loud, and doesnt cover the back wheel all that much. But once again, I want to keep the bike looking as "light" as possibile, and those two huge cans arent going to help..

exbox on a s4rs...rode open udder for ~40 miles and here are my thoughts:

How is the sound of a Ex-Box system compared to a open udder on a S2R1K ? Much more quiet.  If stock is 1 and open udder is 10 and Termis are 7...the exbox is 3 on the loudness scale

I dig the Ex-Box, but I am afarid it isnt gonna be as loud as I would like. Is their a way to remove baffles or something from the thing ?  Nope.  The above comparison is without baffles

I also plan to lower the bike in the rear around a inch or so, so I am guessing I would have ground clearance issues with the Ex-Box correct?  Not for me, but I have see pics of clearance issues at full lean on the right side

my plan is do a custom jobber for my exhaust with some slash cut megaphones...

The carbon fiber Zard cans do not weigh a whole lot.

The Arrow exhaust (w/o baffles) is considerably louder than the Zard (w/o baffles) on an S2R1K.

Proteal, termis are not as loud the only reason you hear it is because all the sound is directed to the rear where the udder directs them to the side. The shell being metal also echos and alot of the sound gets blasted around your area.

With termis, the carbonfiber and packing absorb a lot of the sound, so whatever gets to leave, leaves pointing the rear.
Like wise, if you are on the left side of an open udder, you probably wont hear much since its all to the right.

If you built your own exbox to point to the rear, it would be just as loud as termis taking off.

Yeah the Zards without baffles sound fantastic....... nice & deep & not too loud I'd say somewhere around 100 db's or so.

The Arrows on the other hand are stupid loud........ like Ivan & his Zards I'm running an open airbox & a DP ECU with the full carbon Arrows & no baffles..... as good as it sounds, I feel like an A hole when I ride it around town.  Shoot.... I'm even embarassed to start it infront of my own house [laugh]  One of my neighbors even had the  [leo] waiting for me as he claimed I would wake his daughter each night when I returned from work.  I do however prefer the Arrows because the front header pipe is all one piece & this system allows the most heal clearence other than an udder or ExBox.  With the rear ride height raised, the bottom can only blocks the rear tire..... rim is not blocked [thumbsup]
http://www.flickr.com/photos/capfacsurf/3191883008/in/set-72157612489163882/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/capfacsurf/3191883008/in/set-72157612489163882/)

i ran my s2r1k with the udder alone for the first 5 thousand miles.
bought the x-box because i was tired of having a headache at the end of a long ride (thats with ear plugs)
cant see how you would have clearance issues with the x box (in a lean). you're gonna scrape your rears sets long before you scrape the exhaust.

if you want loud, take a look at Nakids bike. he is running with straight pipes only off the headers....no muffler at all.
IMHO, ducs are not supposed to sound like H-D's....but thats just me.

try running over a pot hole.

Thanks for all the good feedback, this is why I like this forum !  [thumbsup]
Both the Zard and the Arrow systems DO cover up the rear wheel. Maybe not as much as a high/mid mount Termi kit, but they still do.
I dig the ex/box becasue it leaves the back wheel open, and seems to fit Industrial/clean/tech look that these bikes have going for them.

I def. want the bike to be louder than it is now, but I also want it to sound (and more importantly run) good as well. No need to have a bike that sounds killer not
be able to get out of it's own way right ? The and more I research my options the more it looks like I am going to be buying a Zard or Arrow system. I def. want the bike to me heard for a few
blocks way rather than just be loud when you are next to he bike..

Does Arrow sell a dual sided system like Zard (one muffler on each side of the tail ?

Proteal55:
Here's my bike:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=s4rs&emb=0&aq=f#q=exbox%20s4rs&emb=0 (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=s4rs&emb=0&aq=f#q=exbox%20s4rs&emb=0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=futSdrlFHXk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=futSdrlFHXk)

It's kinda hard to hear what the exhaust really sounds like over all those dry clutches  ;D
From what I have heard I am def. down with the way the Arrow's sound. just wish they didnt cover the back wheel as much..
But I might have to suck it up and go with them to get the sound I want..

If I were to run the arrows, would the bike run cool wihout a computer upgrade ?
I am running the open udder now wiht one of those FatDuc deal-e-o's and it runs like a champ now..

have you considered using a gp-style can?  aftermarket header of your choice, leo vince mids, and a gp-style canister from sato or another company.

Here's one w/a wet clutch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpjdiWccnaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpjdiWccnaQ)

sure...
but as my post stated, i was referring to the possibility of it happening when leaned over, while cornering.

although i suppose its possible to hit a pot hole while tilted waaaay over.........
yuck :P

still have a hard time seeing clearance issues...

(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm285/s2r1000/paintedbelts5.jpg)

(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm285/s2r1000/cliponsrightsideview.jpg)

dont think it hangs down more than the stock udder... ???

He said he wanted to lower it earlier. you cant touch the udder while leaned over (ive went down and slide my bike and the udder is fine lol) besides if your hitting a pothole while tilted over like that, i doubt a dent in the udder is on the top of the list.

someone mentioned GP pipes. I remember posts not to long ago talking about some for sale.

Based upon sound clips, these are what you are looking for.

EDIT: or these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPuAwW3sf84 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPuAwW3sf84)

I have to say, I do like the sound of the system above.
But now seeing some other high mount "gp" style systems (Like the one below), I think I am going to go that route.
Need to source a aftermarket headerpipe, midpipe, and then have my chassis shop buddy put it all together with some
small "GP" style mufflers. Will me as loud as the system above but exit behind me (rather then right next to me).. ;D

So, What Header and Midpipe should I go with ? I want to go big (55mm?), and anyone know of some smaller mufflers that dont cost $250 a crack ?

wow that is a nice system!!!! got more pics/info on that?

Check the link --->
http://tinyurl.com/ShowYoMotoExhaustonebay (http://tinyurl.com/ShowYoMotoExhaustonebay)

that thing looks make the beast with two backsing AWESOME!!!!

Ive never liked any exhuast more than the exboxs and this thing. But i cant get over the connection with the udder. it should have its own header so you dont see that 2 in 1 thing.

someone had posted this in the tech section

http://www.pjengineering.co.uk/index.asp (http://www.pjengineering.co.uk/index.asp)

(http://www.pjengineering.co.uk/prodimages/asstcarbontubes.jpg)

thought is would help this thread too.

i pulled off my pipes on my 08 s2r1k and i luv the sound  [thumbsup]

but eventually i wana do a 2-1 leo pipes ( i luved the sound of my leos on my old bike,plus it still keeps the wheel open) but alas im a poor ...so for the moment im having some friends help me construct some tips for the end of the utter so then it will keep the wheel open...plus i was thinking of coating the utter and pipe black so there kinda consealed....

I sprayed my udder black and wrapped the headpipe in black exhaust wrap (for the time being):
Makes it look allot better, and helps it blend into the bike (if thats possibile)...

Those little "GP" style cans run $250 a pop ! Then add the mid pipe and header and you
have yourself a $1000 exhaust system that might or might not work with the stock ECU.
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My vote is for "might not".  I ran the udder open for a few months and had the obvious backfire and loss of mileage issues you're bound to have when you dramatically change the back flow like that. 

Isn't the video Raux posted of a DMF member's bike? I remember seeing the thread but it's been a few months.  The more I listen to the exbox, the more I think I'd rather go with a setup like that where it's basically a straight pipe setup with a decent amount of baffling on the ends.  The exbox is hot as hell, it just sounds clicky and tinny by comparison.

As far as the mid pipes go, you should be able to find someone local to build you a set on the cheap.  They may not bolt directly to the headers but rather press fit into the stock header pipes, but no one should charge more than a few hundred for that kind of thing. 

FWIW, i ran my s2r1k for most of the first 6k with nothing but the udder. i did not experience any of the issues that you describe. only reason i switched to the ex-box was it was just too loud for my taste.

+1, but each bike has its own set of problems and you may have had some sort of issues with yours.

open udder is loud as hell. Exbox....just istn worth the money since its almost hte same sound, just muted. looks sexy...but its 2nd place to these GP cans, if only they had a different header and midpipe setup.

i was talking about the jarv. His bike may have been an oddity.

Its a matter of ear i suppose, with thousands of miles under my belt with the open udder, im pretty tone deft.  ;D

Huh ? What ?
I am in the same boat as you. I am ALL about having a loud bike, just need to direct the sound behind me and not have it be directly under me.
Rode from Chicago to Miluwaukee for Rockerbox (yearly bike show) this past summer and by the time I got there I literally thought I had a head cold..
Took about a hour (and a few PBR's) to go away...

I am talking with that guy who makes those GP cans. Looks like they are anywhere from $250 and up (depending on what you want. material, etc..)
I am trying to get him to make me two on the cheap (reg alum. vs. c.fiber) and so on. I am most likely going to ceramic coat the entire system black anyways plus
god forbid I say it on this forum, I am really not that big of a fan of Carbon Fiber to begin wth. Figure doing the system in black and then having the cans ceramic coated silver will look pretty good
with the "low key" theme I have going on with my bike..

eh CF functionally is all about lightness. if you aren't going for that then it's just bling. (can't believe i said bling)

anyway, get what works for you.

i am getting the cheapess CF cans i can find for my bike. (i do want to lighten up the rear - i think it drops 10lbs)

I am all about making the bike as light as possibile, but I also have to build a monster garage come spring, have a 55 Bel-Air that needs some TLC, and am also wanting to do a 1200 HD Sporster hardtail/bobber project as well. So as you can see it isnt the price of the cans, I just have to justify that dumping $500 for mufflers is worth it in the grand scheme of things..[bang]

Excuse the minimal engine knowledge, but I was under the impression that if you let more air out, you gotta let more air in otherwise the ignition won't be able to keep up with the A/F ratio properly.  Maybe the S2R1ks have an ecu that compensates more than the 800, but I definitely get some heavy duty backfire if I decel too quickly. 

You're right, CF is nothing more than bling.  I mean it would be great to have a CF tank, imagine how flickable that thing would be!  But (especially in the euro tuner scene) carbon does nothing but display how much money you dumped into your ride.  I guess a hood would give some weight savings......

Running the gp cans attached to the udder like the one pictured is not going to change back pressure as compared to just open udder. If you leave the udder on theres still a hold up of pressure from the presilencer in the udder itself.

hey man, id be interested in jumping on that bandwagon. let me know how that turns out, those cans are really nice, i like it the way it was (aluminum i guess?) i just dont like how they connect.

From what we have talked about thus far, it looks like he might be able to make me a "cheap-e" can for $200.
This would be out of plain materials and nothing too exotic. I still cant jump the gun just yet, as it is still Feb and the high today was still uder the freezing point.
Plus I am not sure I wanna dump that kinda cash into the bike just yet...

any pics of the GP style cans? the link is dead. and any updates?

I have an Ex Box on my 695 for the past two years..i wear earplugs almost always and my ears ring all the time now....WORTH IT!!!, well I also have POD air filters on it, they are louder the the exhaust, plus its directly in your face. The ExBox sounds better than any other exhaust, and aesthetically it makes the back look so much cleaner  [thumbsup]

I thought you couldn't run without the exhaust cans. Wouldn't it run lean if you just leave the udder on and no cans?
If not, the cans are coming off this weekend, bike is too quiet.

I ran my Monster with the Udder only (no muflers) and the thing ran fine.

It does run lean. You get popping in decel. I ran it on udder for 2 years.

i took them off today for the same reason on my s2r 800. its sounds awesome! runs like normal too. didnt notice any difference, minus the roar and 10 times more heads turned.
now i want to get some custom short pipes fitted to make it more clean looking. like squidwood's bike

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2hcj37t.jpg)

A FatDuc will fix the lean condition from running no udder/no cans/cored cans whatever...

Check out the closed-loop sticky for fixing that lean condition and making your bike full of awesome.  [thumbsup]

Exactly how I went about it. I went from the stock exhaust to ditching the cans (open udder) to a set of BoomTubes from Mark @ MotoCreations...

Really nice bike ProTeal55!  [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Thanks man.
Just allot of blackin things out and removing what doesnt need to be on the bike..
Still have a ton of things I need to do to get it looking how I want..

wow those are sweet. im assuming those are louder than the udder. and what are you doing for fuel management?

The udder was loud to the rider, and around the bike, but the sound didnt carry much down the road.
The current exhaust is alittle louder than the open udder around the bike, but carries down the street much much more.
Kinda hard to describe. Like if you have ever heard a bike with a open Termi system, you can clearly hear it blocks away.
Thats how the BoomTubes are, and when you really get into the throttle it sounds like a big block chevy (literally)..
Below is a video that my buddy took after we got the pipes on the bike. I plan to put the stock clutch cover back on and get some better videos of the exhaust sooner than later. Nothing better than trying to hear how an exhaust sounds with the clutch drowning it out.. ;D
If you are looking for a minimal/simple/clean system that leaves the rear tire open/clean a set of BoomTubes is def. the way to go..

As far as the fuel thing goes, everything on the bike is stock with the addition of a FATDUC. At first I thought I would run it @ it's fattest setting (due to the pipes being so short/small/open) and I literally burned/melted the packing material outta the pipes [thumbsup]. So now I have the setting on the FATDUC in the middle of the range of adjustment and the bike seems to be running pretty good. Pulls hard thru the gears, with minimal poping on decell. I need to take the time and remove the system from the bike and seal up the slip-joints with some of that high temp gasket stuff, as I am 90% sure I have a exhaust leak on the back cylinder pipe (thus causing my bike to run hotter than it should). Besides that all seems to be well..

You seriously let people take your bike for a rip down the street?

I have a buddy who is a factory Honda rider who can handle a bike better than I ever could do my "fly-by" testing for me.
He is the only person I let ride my scoot.

Hopefully one day you can create two videos of the BoomTubes on your S2R1000 -- one while on your Ducati while riding lower Wacker Drive in Chicago.  And the second is the pedestrian video of you riding by in the same place.    I know I rode my DesmoDevil with the prototype BoomTubes around downtown a few years ago -- I did it a few times as it was simply awesome with all reverb and accoustic reflections happening about

I am def. going to get some videos of the bike before the weather turns to crap (it's coming - i can feel it)...
One will be of me riding down lower wacker - the other will be a "pedestrian" shot as I ride past him.
As I said above I am going to put the stock clutch cover back on to keep the clutch rattle to a min.

I took mine off on the weekend, WOW! Sounds great and looks good too.
I did get some grief from the wife because I removed the passenger pegs as well. I might add them and the s pipes back but with no cans.

(http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt144/MostroS2R/Ducati.jpg)

It is really crazy how good these bikes look with the back wheel completely open.
Once I removed the stock cans their was no way I could cover up the wheel (thus why I went with a set of BoomTubes)..

here is my newly installed ex-box. love love the sound and looks.(http://<a href="http://s744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/nicksphotos08/?action-view&current=DSC08780.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/nicksphotos08/DSC08780.jpg" border="0" alt="s4rtmod1"></a>)

lets try it again. (http://<a href="http://s744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/nicksphotos08/?action-view&current=DSC08780.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/nicksphotos08/DSC08780.jpg" border="0" alt="s4rtmod1"></a>)(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/nicksphotos08/DSC08780.jpg)

Looks good...
Always loved that color scheme...