http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/health/28octuplets.html?_r=1&em (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/health/28octuplets.html?_r=1&em)
we have enough headache with 1 dude. EIGHT!!
Size 5 Diapers are almost 30 cents each.. That's at least 5 diapers /day per kid once they are about a year old.. sheesh
QuoteJanuary 28, 2009
7 Babies, Then (Surprise!) Another for Good Luck
By ANAHAD O'CONNOR
Dr. Harold Henry and his colleagues had followed their patient for 10 weeks, and knew just what to expect. The woman was carrying seven babies. Multiple ultrasounds confirmed it every time: 7 heads, 7 spines and 28 limbs, all packed into a space typically only several centimeters in diameter.
“Each time, we thought we were validating that there were in fact seven babies,†said Dr. Henry, the chief of maternal and fetal medicine at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in southern California.
But when the time for delivery came on Monday morning, there was one wrinkle. After the seventh baby was plucked from the womb, an assistant announced that he felt another foot.
“Quit joking,†Dr. Henry shot back.
When the assistant insisted this was no joke, Dr. Henry reached in and confirmed it.
“That's when the room all of a sudden became quiet,†Dr. Henry said in an interview. “Everyone was in shock, including mom herself. She just couldn't believe it.â€
Baby No. 8 marked a small miracle. For only the second time in recorded American history, a woman had given birth to live octuplets. The odds of being struck by lightning are better.
The mother, who has declined to be identified, was recovering and in stable condition, her doctors said at a news conference on Tuesday.
And as of Tuesday morning, so were her children â€" two girls and six boys â€" all weighing from 1 pound, 8 ounces to 3 pounds, 4 ounces, said Dr. Henry. One initially needed a ventilator, which was removed a short time later.
But because the babies were born nine weeks prematurely, they will remain in the hospital at least two months. Dr. Henry said the mother, who should be released in about a week, was overwhelmed but in good spirits.
“She is of a very strong constitution,†he said.
Because high-multiple babies are typically delivered prematurely, it is rare for all of the children to survive. But if all eight make it home, as doctors expect, they will set a record. Septuplets are the largest set of multiple babies delivered in the United States who survived, the last of which were delivered in Iowa in 1997. A year later, a 27-year-old mother, Nkem Chukwu, delivered eight babies in Houston â€" including six girls and two boys â€" but the smallest, a girl weighing only about 10 ounces, died a week after birth.
According to experts, at least two factors are known to increase the odds of a multiple birth. One is age: the older a woman is, the more likely she is to naturally give birth to multiple babies, though scientists are not exactly sure why. The second factor is modern medicine. Women who undergo techniques like in vitro fertilization are more likely to have multiple babies because doctors typically implant multiple embryos in the uterus at once, knowing that some are unlikely to survive.
Dr. Henry and his colleagues have declined to say whether the mother in Bellflower used fertility drugs. But studies suggest there is a great likelihood of it. In the United States, twins occur in about one of every 83 conceptions, while triplets appear about once in every 8,000 conceptions. Beyond that, multiple births become exceedingly rare. In 2005, the latest year for which figures are available, there were 4.1 million children born in the United States, and only 68 births that involved five or more children â€" many of which resulted from infertility treatments.
Beginning in 1980, there was an explosion in the number of births that involved triplets or a greater number of babies, a trend that mirrored the rise in fertility treatments and older mothers giving birth. But since 1999, the number of multiple births has been steadily falling, partly a result of recommendations in the late 1990's that doctors performing fertility procedures reduce the odds of multiple births by limiting the number of embryos they transfer.
Until Monday, the most babies ever delivered at the hospital in Bellflower was five. But Dr. Henry said they were well prepared for seven â€" or eight, as it turned out.
“She is of a very strong constitution,†he said.
[laugh] Reminds me of this line...
"She's skinny but she's strong. First baby, came out sideways. She didn't scream or nuthin."
But Wait! There's More!!!
Quote from: alfisti on January 28, 2009, 07:14:03 AM
"She's skinny but she's strong. First baby, came out sideways. She didn't scream or nuthin."
"...isn't that something... you're a real trooper."
Multii-discount?
JM
Quote from: alfisti on January 28, 2009, 07:14:03 AM
“She is of a very strong constitution,†he said.
[laugh] Reminds me of this line...
"She's skinny but she's strong. First baby, came out sideways. She didn't scream or nuthin."
"...where's your hand??!!.."
>>waves hand<<<
"...THE OTHER ONE!!!???""
AAAAAGHHH
I hope the doctor said "And now for something completely different" on number 8.
Then said just kidding, more of the same.
Need one more for a crew team.
I keep telling Paula we need nine kids.
Not only 8 kids, but 6 of them are boys :o . It would be much less painful to just end it now.
Quote from: swampduc on January 28, 2009, 12:07:58 PM
Not only 8 kids, but 6 of them are boys :o . It would be much less painful to just end it now.
That article never mentions the father. It just says how strong the mother is.
The father jumped out the window.
Quote from: Jobu on January 29, 2009, 03:19:15 AM
That article never mentions the father. It just says how strong the mother is.
The father jumped out the window.
That`s what I would have done ;D
this might shed a little light on the "father" subject. Why am I not surprised?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/29/earlyshow/health/main4761676.shtml?source=mostpop_story (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/29/earlyshow/health/main4761676.shtml?source=mostpop_story)
QuoteIt will, Kauffman concluded, "be tight!"
<snicker>
sorry.
Quote
It will, Kauffman concluded, "be tight!"
<snicker>
sorry.
Quote from: JEFF_H on January 29, 2009, 02:49:01 PM
<snicker>
sorry.
Sure it will, after plenty of stiches. [laugh]
[laugh]
I cannot imagine having eight screaming kids..... :P Out the window indeed.
this reminds me of why I'm glad I don't have Kaiser Permanente anymore. [bang]
Sorry. Having eight kids ....... for ANY reason .......is idiotic.
LA
Particularly since she already has six kids at home. In my opinion there is something seriously wrong with this chicks mind.
As reported by ABC: When the babies come home, they are expected to join their six other brothers and sisters as well as their grandparents in the family's three-bedroom home . . . An 87-year-old woman who lives next door was not at all pleased. "With our economy they way it is, with California going to hell in a handbasket, why should I be excited about this?" she asked ABC News' Mike Von Fremd. "What is their future?"
How much would the parents have to make in order to support 14 kids? Or is the government going to give them handouts in order tio support their children?
JM
SP3 kind of alluded to this.... SHE'S NOT MARRIED AND THERE'S NO FATHER TO BE FOUND!
Anyone?
Quote from: alfisti on January 30, 2009, 10:30:04 AM
SP3 kind of alluded to this.... SHE'S NOT MARRIED AND THERE'S NO FATHER TO BE FOUND!
Anyone?
The father is apparently a contract worker due to return from Iraq according to the grandmother.
Quote from: JBubble on January 30, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
The father is apparently a contract worker due to return from Iraq according to the grandmother.
i bet he re-ups after finding out about this.
Quote from: JBubble on January 30, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
The father is apparently a contract worker due to return from Iraq according to the grandmother.
I thought that was the grandfather going back to Iraq as a contractor to help support the kids... ???
Meh, stupid people. Doesn't really matter either way. Why were they allowed to do the fertility treatment when they already had 6 kids in the first place? Don't they do background checks to ensure that the family can support the children or was the clinic so tight for money they'll treat anyone for money and feign ignorance about the dangers to the children.
Quote from: erkishhorde on January 30, 2009, 10:59:11 AM
I thought that was the grandfather going back to Iraq as a contractor to help support the kids... ???
Here is the story that the information came from:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/30/mother.octuplets/index.html)
I feel a little better about it knowing there's a father. Poor guy.
.....its actually 7 through 14. Aye Carramba! Woman lives at home with her parents, 3 bedrooms.
Quote from: erkishhorde on January 30, 2009, 10:59:11 AM
Why were they allowed to do the fertility treatment when they already had 6 kids in the first place?
+1
Why in the hell does someone need the treatment if they already have 6 kids! [roll] Sounds like unethical doctors to me.
Quote from: Triple J on January 30, 2009, 02:02:50 PM
+1
Why in the hell does someone need the treatment if they already have 6 kids! [roll] Sounds like unethical doctors to me.
Because they realized that they would all be the wrong ages to play on the same baseball team.
They now have enough. :)
It just gets worse.
Bankruptcy and foreclosures in the past.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on January 30, 2009, 08:06:32 PM
It just gets worse.
Bankruptcy and foreclosures in the past.
mitt
"I've lost my job at the mill... I'm going to have to sell you all to science research..."
(http://twistedphysics.typepad.com/cocktail_party_physics/images/2007/08/23/every_sperm_is_sacred1.jpg)
Soudns like they were looking for fame and fortune with the octuplets ~
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on January 31, 2009, 06:57:16 AM
Soudns like they were looking for fame and fortune with the octuplets ~
JM
It worked for the Duggers
More info: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28948599/
No husband it turns out. This is beyond ridiculous.
Quote from: JBubble on January 31, 2009, 01:39:29 PM
More info: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28948599/
No husband it turns out. This is beyond ridiculous.
A-HA! It is confirmed.
I agree. WAY beyond ridiculous.
Anyone see the movie Idiocracy?
Quote from: alfisti on January 31, 2009, 02:07:33 PM
A-HA! It is confirmed.
I agree. WAY beyond ridiculous.
Anyone see the movie Idiocracy?
I have seen that movie, and I was thinking the same thing. "This is how it starts" Can you buy stock in monster trucks and electrolytes?
Holy crapola. Imagine being that father.
"Honey, you have to stay. You have a child now. In fact, you have eight."
Thus begins one poor sod's descent into the depths of living hell, all because he didn't put on a rubber.
Do they multiply alimony per-head?
Hmmm... Sounds like the embryos were left-overs from an earlier IV treatment? I still find it troubling that someone would have gone and put them in her given her living conditions. I bet if there were limits on government support for gross negligence such as this less people would do it. Kinda sounds like the mother has some mental issues the way they say she is "obsessed with having children."
Would you feel bad if you were the guy that gave the sperm to the clinic that allowed this to happen? Or perhaps mad that they misused "you" in such a way? At least the guy doesn't have to pay child support.
Quote from: erkishhorde on February 01, 2009, 08:30:29 AM
Hmmm... Sounds like the embryos were left-overs from an earlier IV treatment? I still find it troubling that someone would have gone and put them in her given her living conditions. I bet if there were limits on government support for gross negligence such as this less people would do it. Kinda sounds like the mother has some mental issues the way they say she is "obsessed with having children."
Would you feel bad if you were the guy that gave the sperm to the clinic that allowed this to happen? Or perhaps mad that they misused "you" in such a way? At least the guy doesn't have to pay child support.
There have been a number of cases of this sort. If she were to take him to court, I would expect that he would have to pay child support for all of them.
Quote from: MrIncredible on February 01, 2009, 08:34:19 AM
There have been a number of cases of this sort. If she were to take him to court, I would expect that he would have to pay child support for all of them.
Ouch... that would suck... Remind me never to donate to a clinic no matter how desperate I am for coin. :-X
a baby bailout is in the works.
Quote from: erkishhorde on February 01, 2009, 08:45:01 AM
Ouch... that would suck... Remind me never to donate to a clinic no matter how desperate I am for coin. :-X
You'd make more accepting donations.
Quote from: erkishhorde on February 01, 2009, 08:30:29 AM
Hmmm... Sounds like the embryos were left-overs from an earlier IV treatment? I still find it troubling that someone would have gone and put them in her given her living conditions. I bet if there were limits on government support for gross negligence such as this less people would do it. Kinda sounds like the mother has some mental issues the way they say she is "obsessed with having children."
you could no more have such limits than having a law that says certain people may not have children. the people can endorse supporting children but there can't be a law preventing someone from having more. (however, a court can put limits if there is criminal acts involved, but that is not the case here)
IMO...
This is absolutely f-ing ridiculous!!! Some chick decides that 6 kids isn't enough for her so she goes and gets in-vitro to have 8 more. Who do you think is paying for these kids?!? Not her that's for sure. I heard it is going to cost $3 mil in hospital bills by the time they release her and her spawn from the hospital, not to mention how much it costs to raise that many kids. Then I read today that she has hired a spokesperson and has been offered book deals, tv shows...etc. Sounds like a huge, expensive publicity stunt to me. F her and her kids that WE will end up paying for. I understand that we can't legally control how many kids someone can have but those doctors who knocked her up should lose their licenses. Greedy Biatch! [bang]
she's either getting donations (and claiming them to the IRS :-X) or going to look to the government (our $) to help support these children. it's wrong, but how do we stop it?
saw on the news the other day....... the cost to take care of the 8 preemies will exceed 3 mil.
and thats just till they are healthy enough to go home.
and..... this is just one person.
imagine all the others. one baby here, two over there.
sad sad sad
http://www.parentdish.com/2009/02/02/octuplet-mom-looks-for-tv-career-as-child-expert/ (http://www.parentdish.com/2009/02/02/octuplet-mom-looks-for-tv-career-as-child-expert/)
Quote from: bobspapa on February 03, 2009, 10:33:28 AM
http://www.parentdish.com/2009/02/02/octuplet-mom-looks-for-tv-career-as-child-expert/ (http://www.parentdish.com/2009/02/02/octuplet-mom-looks-for-tv-career-as-child-expert/)
WTF?
Well, she's certainly an expert on having them...
JM
you knew that was gonna happen
Quote from: lauramonster on February 03, 2009, 08:01:01 AM
it's wrong, but how do we stop it?
I imagine we could let her hang out with BP for a while, then warn her that some of the kids could turn into that sort of person.
Quote from: MrIncredible on February 03, 2009, 12:35:49 PM
I imagine we could let her hang out with BP for a while, then warn her that some of the kids could turn into that sort of person.
they're dooooooooomed [evil]
Quote from: ducatizzzz on February 01, 2009, 09:17:45 AM
you could no more have such limits than having a law that says certain people may not have children. the people can endorse supporting children but there can't be a law preventing someone from having more. (however, a court can put limits if there is criminal acts involved, but that is not the case here)
Exactly.
Now, I'll admit that as a physician myself, my knee-jerk reaction is to get kind of pissed when I hear lay people criticizing the way I practice medicine. But we're also limited in terms of whom we can refuse care to. For example, is it ok for me to refuse retinal surgery to a diabetic because they weigh 300 #'s and are chowing down on McDonald's everytime they're in my waiting room? (And yes, I've seen that many times) Should internists refuse to care for someone's emphysema because they brought it on themselves by smoking? What about refusing to do neurosurgery on motorcyclists who have accidents? Slippery slope, there.
I don't think that these 8 kids were the desired outcome on anyone's part. The reason you place multiple embryos in IVF is because they rarely implant. On average, it takes 3 or 4 rounds of IVF to get 1 healthy fetus. I agree 100% that this outcome sucks bigtime. My own reaction was that I wanted to strangle that mom. I just think there's plenty of blame to go around, and I don't think it should all go the docs.
eBay!
Quote from: rgramjet on February 03, 2009, 01:52:53 PM
eBay!
Pure Genius [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: swampduc on February 03, 2009, 01:42:38 PM
Exactly.
Now, I'll admit that as a physician myself, my knee-jerk reaction is to get kind of pissed when I hear lay people criticizing the way I practice medicine. But we're also limited in terms of whom we can refuse care to. For example, is it ok for me to refuse retinal surgery to a diabetic because they weigh 300 #'s and are chowing down on McDonald's everytime they're in my waiting room? (And yes, I've seen that many times) Should internists refuse to care for someone's emphysema because they brought it on themselves by smoking? What about refusing to do neurosurgery on motorcyclists who have accidents? Slippery slope, there.
I don't think that these 8 kids were the desired outcome on anyone's part. The reason you place multiple embryos in IVF is because they rarely implant. On average, it takes 3 or 4 rounds of IVF to get 1 healthy fetus. I agree 100% that this outcome sucks bigtime. My own reaction was that I wanted to strangle that mom. I just think there's plenty of blame to go around, and I don't think it should all go the docs.
I hear what you're saying and realize that as an MD you have a different perspective, however it's hard for me to see the correlation between treating someone who is sick even if they brought the illness on themselves, and IVF. This woman wasn't suffering from "needs more kids disease" and needed IVF to save her life. It was a conscious decision that she made with her doctors. Its the difference between a "want" and a "need". She "wanted" more kids but she didn't "need" them and just like a plastic surgeon may refuse to operate on someone they feel cannot handle the procedure either emotionally or physically, these doctors could have refused to go along with IVF on a single mother of 6 children. Obviously since she used IVF to have her other SIX children, she tends to take well to the procedure and they could have assumed that this time would be no different. What if she had died from complications related to the number of children she was having at one time? Would the doctors have been deemed to be somewhat responsible for the condition that caused her death? Maybe not legally but I'm sure there would be a lot more people standing up and saying that it was a wrong or poor decision.
Quote from: DaniD on February 03, 2009, 06:14:23 PM
<snip> What if she had died from complications related to the number of children she was having at one time? Would the doctors have been deemed to be somewhat responsible for the condition that caused her death? Maybe not legally but I'm sure there would be a lot more people standing up and saying that it was a wrong or poor decision.
Probably, but I'm sure she signed a consent listing multiple births as one of the potential complications, plus she was offered the choice of abortions on some of the fetuses.
But it still was a lousy make the beast with two backsing decision ;D
Quote from: swampduc on February 03, 2009, 06:56:11 PM
<snip>
But it still was a lousy make the beast with two backsing decision ;D
On every ones part.
HA!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29002731/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29002731/)
and
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29009410/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29009410/)
"now fertility experts are suggesting the case of Nadya Suleman and her octuplets constitutes a breach of medical guidelines."
Quote from: DaniD on February 04, 2009, 06:04:33 AM
HA!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29002731/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29002731/)
and
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29009410/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29009410/)
"now fertility experts are suggesting the case of Nadya Suleman and her octuplets constitutes a breach of medical guidelines."
Jebus. That's horrible. Mea culpa, shoot the doc (and the mom). Better yet, make the doc take home 4 of the babies and raise 'em.
Quote from: DaniD on February 04, 2009, 06:04:33 AM
HA!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29002731/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29002731/)
and
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29009410/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29009410/)
"now fertility experts are suggesting the case of Nadya Suleman and her octuplets constitutes a breach of medical guidelines."
This strikes me as interesting. It's apparently way more embryos than would be typical.
Maybe this broad and the doc were sitting around one day and he decided he needed publicity for his clinic, and she was hoping for a free house and a book deal.
Quote from: DaniD on February 04, 2009, 06:04:33 AM
HA!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29002731/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29002731/)
and
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29009410/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29009410/)
"now fertility experts are suggesting the case of Nadya Suleman and her octuplets constitutes a breach of medical guidelines."
Now that there is backlash toward her, and she might not get that book/movie deal, she will just have to up the ante - kidnap, murder, etc.
The first day I heard this story, I told my wife that this instance just felt like a shot at fame. Screw American Idol, just have 8 babies.
mitt
I think it would be horrible for people to boycott companies that might give her free assistance.
The diapers and food are to help the babies, they are going to suffer more than she will.
It would be a shame that all this outrage only goes to make these babies' lives worse off than it already is going to be.
I am not saying she should get a pass on her actions, it is tantamount ot child abuse.
But withholding DIAPERS and BABY FORMULA?
it would be cruel to helpless, and innocent life.
there's more than enough americans to adopt those babies. She could help them if she wanted.
I know..... have a game show where you can win a baby.
You have to answer eight is enough trivia
Quote from: bobspapa on February 04, 2009, 10:38:29 AM
I know..... have a game show where you can win a baby.
You have to answer eight is enough trivia
(http://www.technews.gr/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10045/normal_Hammer1.jpg)
Quote from: lauramonster on February 04, 2009, 10:18:17 AM
there's more than enough americans to adopt those babies. She could help them if she wanted.
I'll take all eight.
That way Paula and I can have two and have enough for a crew team and a substitute for sick days.
Quote from: MrIncredible on February 04, 2009, 11:47:51 AM
I'll take all eight.
That way Paula and I can have two and have enough for a crew team and a substitute for sick days.
Gonna starve one of him so he/she can be a coxswain one day?
Quote from: swampduc on February 04, 2009, 07:15:28 PM
Gonna starve one of him so he/she can be a coxswain one day?
You know it.
Wow..haven't paid much attention to this story until tonight. Just saw an interview with the grandmother.
Unemployed..single mother..3 of the first 6 kids are disabled. Received $165,000 from a settlement and didn't give a dime to the grandparents who are the ones actully taking care of her and the kids. Whoa..wait..she does receive foodstamps. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
The story makes me sick!
Supposedly according to the article on Yahoo! yesterday, the father (actually sperm donor for the IVF) according the the octuplets grandmother begged her doctor to not treat her further. According to that same article, the treating doctor is being looked into relating to safe treatment practices. Interesting to see where this goes ~
JM
[bang] You know...I would love to start a family and have a child but I can't afford one right now. It really pisses me off that part of the reason I don't have my own family is because I have to pay for everyone else's kids! What happened to the days when people were ashamed to be on welfare or getting government assistance?!? Now everyone expects to be handed everything or has this sense of entitlement to what they get for free. Get off your ass and get a job! Stop having kids you can't afford! $20 a month for birth control is a lot less expensive than having a child!
Quote from: DaniD on February 10, 2009, 05:58:55 AM
[bang] You know...I would love to start a family and have a child but I can't afford one right now. It really pisses me off that part of the reason I don't have my own family is because I have to pay for everyone else's kids! What happened to the days when people were ashamed to be on welfare or getting government assistance?!? Now everyone expects to be handed everything or has this sense of entitlement to what they get for free. Get off your ass and get a job! Stop having kids you can't afford! $20 a month for birth control is a lot less expensive than having a child!
+1
it's called "voter registration".. but this line of thot shouldn't go further.
+1 Dani, my fiancée and I are planning on being married for 5 years before we're considering children. We both want to be able to enjoy us being married & do a little traveling. However, the BIGGEST reason is money. We want to both be securely employed and have a nice cushion of money handy before we're working with kidlets ~
JM
From the office of "No Shit Sherlock"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29147091/?gt1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29147091/?gt1=43001)
somewhere in the next 2-3 months this story will be forgotten about
and
somewhere in the next 5 years, there will be a horrible tragedy
a fire
a car wreck
drug or abuse allegations
a disease
and she will file a lawsuit
I see disability payments ended just over a year ago... Hmmm... So, *picks up a shovel full of coal and tosses it on the fire* Seems like this was more of a ploy to get more free money from the state. Since the three children that get disability payments could already be bringing home $2000+ a month.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on February 12, 2009, 04:22:53 AM
Seems like this was more of a ploy to get more free money from the state. Since the three children that get disability payments could already be bringing home $2000+ a month.
JM
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Interesting portion of interview here...
“How much in debt do you have now?†Curry asked.
“Probably 50. Close to 50,†she said.
“Thousand dollars?†Curry responded.
Suleman nodded.
“How is that not like welfare?†Curry pressed on.
“Oh, no,†Suleman protested. “These are student loans. You consolidate the loans, you pay it back. We don't pay back welfare.â€
“Okay, so you don't have a job, Your students loans have run out… So you're saying you have no income coming in?†Curry summarized.
“At the moment, no,†Suleman said.
“Are you not being selfish?â€
“No, I'm not being selfish. I don't believe I'm selfish in any way,†the mother of 14 said."
Are there penalties for misappropriating student loans?
yes, there are penalties, and the school is supposed to report if you don';t use the allotted money for tuition to the lender..
Confirmed, she had plastic surgery on her face:
Before:
(http://www.theimproper.com/Images/Art/nadya%20suleman%20cosmetic%20surgery.jpg)
After:
(http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/uploads/nadya_suleman5_001.jpg)
who is she trying to look like?
(http://www.theimproper.com/Images/Art/nadya%20suleman%20angelina%20jolie.jpg)
edit:
or this?
(http://diamondorganics.commercev3.com/images/deli_meat300.jpg)
Even her oldest kid (6yo) knows that having the 8 babies is a bad idea. [roll] [bang]
Quote from: ducatizzzz on February 12, 2009, 07:39:19 PM
Confirmed, she had plastic surgery on her face:
Before:
(http://www.theimproper.com/Images/Art/nadya%20suleman%20cosmetic%20surgery.jpg)
After:
(http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/uploads/nadya_suleman5_001.jpg)
who is she trying to look like?
(http://www.theimproper.com/Images/Art/nadya%20suleman%20angelina%20jolie.jpg)
edit:
or this?
(http://diamondorganics.commercev3.com/images/deli_meat300.jpg)
who paid for all this shit?
Quote from: MrIncredible on February 13, 2009, 12:45:00 PM
Your old boss.
if she got a boob job too...... then it might just have been him
Quote from: ducatizzzz on February 12, 2009, 07:39:19 PM
Confirmed, she had plastic surgery on her face:
who is she trying to look like?
(http://www.theimproper.com/Images/Art/nadya%20suleman%20angelina%20jolie.jpg)
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Hm, which one is weirder? Tough call...
Quote from: rgramjet on February 13, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
Hm, which one is weirder? Tough call...
i disagree.
jolie is a hollywood type, you expect her to be weird -- that's how she makes a living..
suleman is just an average shlub living a below average life. she worked hard to be weird. she is far more effed up.
jolie's kids will grow up starstruck and spoilt but it is very likely suleman's will grow up mentally disfigured and physically maltreated.
I dont know man.....those Billy Bob days were Freaky! At least jolie is self sufficient and not on our dime...
I hope they disbar that doctor.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on February 14, 2009, 07:06:07 AM
I hope they disbar board sanction that doctor.
disbar is for attorneys
A little late, but still amusing.
(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo118/Speedbag/dennys.jpg)
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