http://www.greenmuze.com/animals/wild/1341-cruise-ship-hits-whale.html (http://www.greenmuze.com/animals/wild/1341-cruise-ship-hits-whale.html)
:o
:-\
Forget the Yushin Maru..Whale Wars needs to start stink bombing cruise ships!!
You watch Whale Wars too Adam? Why is it we both watch all the same shows?
P.S. It's Nishin Maru
I hope after the necropsy they rule the whale was dead when it got hit.
Quote from: NAKID on July 28, 2009, 05:34:07 AM
You watch Whale Wars too Adam? Why is it we both watch all the same shows?
P.S. It's Nishin Maru
I can't help watching that Captain and his crew. [laugh]
BTW..from website..
INTERNATIONAL INCIDENTS R US (Episode 3)
With Ben and Giles of Sea Shepherd being held hostage aboard the Japanese whaling ship Yushin Maru #2, Captain Paul Watson is pleased at the international media storm he has created, and rejects an offer from whalers to release the hostages. He forces the Australian and Japanese governments to get involved and at last negotiate for their return. As the Sea Shepherds head to pick up their crew members, they decide to attack the Japanese vessel that held them hostage. In the process, they lose radio contact with their outboard boat and fear the four crew members aboard are lost in the middle of the pitch-black, cold Antarctic night. They've got a few boats in the fleet.
I find it funny, but my cultural programming tells me to be sad.
Ahhh, I was thinking of the Command Ship, which is the Nisshen Maru...
Quote from: NAKID on July 28, 2009, 05:59:08 AM
Ahhh, I was thinking of the Command Ship, which is the Nisshen Maru...
i was thinking of the manga, Badtz Maru
(http://www.decalsusa.com/images/badtz%20maru%20colors.GIF)
Quote from: NAKID on July 28, 2009, 05:59:08 AM
Ahhh, I was thinking of the Command Ship, which is the Nisshen Maru...
Yeah, it seems like there are 3-5 boats.
So is it considered road kill or ocean kill? When I grow up I'm gonna invent whale whistles, kinda like deer whistles but for whales.
Quote from: Ducaholic on July 28, 2009, 06:50:04 AM
So is it considered road kill or ocean kill? When I grow up I'm gonna invent whale whistles, kinda like deer whistles but for whales.
So they won't work just like the deer whistles?
Wouldn't a carcass pushing device be better? When something gets stuck shove it off into the deep.
The Japanese "research" fleet is one processing ship, three harpoon ships and several spotter ships.
I've donated to Sea Shepherd for several years and am glad to see the exposure they get with that show. I wish they'd go into the history of the group a bit more. Paul Watson broke away from Greenpeace because they were more interested in soliciting donations and posing with celebrities than actually DOING anything.
Quote from: IZ on July 28, 2009, 05:50:05 AM
I can't help watching that Captain and his crew. [laugh]
BTW..from website..
INTERNATIONAL INCIDENTS R US (Episode 3)
With Ben and Giles of Sea Shepherd being held hostage aboard the Japanese whaling ship Yushin Maru #2, Captain Paul Watson is pleased at the international media storm he has created, and rejects an offer from whalers to release the hostages. He forces the Australian and Japanese governments to get involved and at last negotiate for their return. As the Sea Shepherds head to pick up their crew members, they decide to attack the Japanese vessel that held them hostage. In the process, they lose radio contact with their outboard boat and fear the four crew members aboard are lost in the middle of the pitch-black, cold Antarctic night.
They've got a few boats in the fleet.
Wow, these people are certifiable.
Quote from: redxblack on July 28, 2009, 07:03:51 AM
Paul Watson broke away from Greenpeace because they were more interested in soliciting donations and posing with celebrities than actually DOING anything.
"In 1977 Watson was voted off the Greenpeace board of directors." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd#Criticism)
I've seen the show a few times and I've yet to see them actually do anything other than get themselves into a mess.
I'm guess'n pot and piloting big boats dont mix
Capt. Ahab got a new ship?
Quote from: shyster on July 28, 2009, 05:58:23 AM
I find it funny, but my cultural programming tells me to be sad.
I thought the samething when I heard it on ManCow this morning.
What is this show you guys speak?
Is it a group that goes after the japanese "researchers" to deter them from whaling?
Animal Planet has a show called Whale Wars...
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 28, 2009, 07:59:20 AM
I thought the samething when I heard it on ManCow this morning.
What is this show you guys speak?
Is it a group that goes after the japanese "researchers" to deter them from whaling?
it's a show about an irresponsible idiot captain using half thought methods to stop whaling.
Stupid whale getting in the way. Isn't it easier for it to move away rather than raming into the ship?
Quote from: duccarlos on July 28, 2009, 08:12:25 AM
Stupid whale getting in the way. Isn't it easier for it to move away rather than raming into the ship?
Who are you to judge that poor whale?
Maybe its life had become unbearable after his whale gf left him for a blue whale. Maybe she took the kids with her. Maybe the economy had wiped out its retirement funds. Maybe its lifelong dream was to become lamp oil.
;)
Quote from: Pakhan on July 28, 2009, 08:05:23 AM
it's a show about an irresponsible idiot captain using half thought methods to stop whaling.
this describes every reality show that ends in '...Wars'
Quote from: JEFF_H on July 28, 2009, 08:22:02 AM
this describes every reality show that ends in '...Wars'
Junkyard wars? ;D
Quote from: El Matador on July 28, 2009, 08:15:42 AM
Who are you to judge that poor whale?
Maybe its life had become unbearable after his whale gf left him for a blue whale. Maybe she took the kids with her. Maybe the economy had wiped out its retirement funds. Maybe its lifelong dream was to become lamp oil.
;)
Maybe it had a small whale penis.
Quote from: El Matador on July 28, 2009, 08:15:42 AM
Who are you to judge that poor whale?
Maybe its life had become unbearable after his whale gf left him for a blue whale. Maybe she took the kids with her. Maybe the economy had wiped out its retirement funds. Maybe its lifelong dream was to become lamp oil.
He was no longer worthy of Vegas.
Sea Shepherd interferes with whalers to enforce the international ban on hunting marine mammals. The Japanese commercial whalers collect a quota of Minke and Fin wales, but they claim they are taking scientific tissue samples and selling the rest.
Watson is a controversial figure, no doubt. I'm not really a fan of the show because it has a lot of the "reality tv" cliches. Even if people end up hating Sea Shepherd because of the tv show, they still have to consider commercial whaling for a few minutes. I don't think that's a bad thing.
Currently there are only 3 countries who hunt whales in defiance of the international ban on commercial whaling. Sea Shepherd isn't ONLY focused on the whalers. They've also been active in trying to eliminate the practice of finning sharks, interfering with the Canadian seal hunts and general protection of marine environments.
Quote from: redxblack on July 28, 2009, 08:47:26 AM
Sea Shepherd interferes with whalers to enforce the international ban on hunting marine mammals. The Japanese commercial whalers collect a quota of Minke and Fin wales, but they claim they are taking scientific tissue samples and selling the rest.
Watson is a controversial figure, no doubt. I'm not really a fan of the show because it has a lot of the "reality tv" cliches. Even if people end up hating Sea Shepherd because of the tv show, they still have to consider commercial whaling for a few minutes. I don't think that's a bad thing.
Currently there are only 3 countries who hunt whales in defiance of the international ban on commercial whaling. Sea Shepherd isn't ONLY focused on the whalers. They've also been active in trying to eliminate the practice of finning sharks, interfering with the Canadian seal hunts and general protection of marine environments.
I have no issue with the cause, but I stand by my feelings about him and the methods.
As far as bringing attention to the issue, having this as the messenger to the public is IMHO counter productive. I have a feeling the flounders are watching this whale so that's the last I'm saying about this. [beer]
I think Watson would be fine with you and millions of others disliking him, so long as you agreed with the cause. In fact, it might be a bigger win if you STRONGLY agreed (as did others who dislike him) and felt that the better way to combat commercial whaling would be through nation state diplomacy. If people put pressure on their governments to stop commercial whaling, Watson could happily retire and everyone wins. In a way, disliking Watson might be very productive. I support his group, but I think he's an arrogant and annoying person.
[beer]
Quote from: redxblack on July 28, 2009, 08:47:26 AM
Currently there are only 3 countries who hunt whales in defiance of the international ban on commercial whaling. Sea Shepherd isn't ONLY focused on the whalers. They've also been active in trying to eliminate the practice of finning sharks, interfering with the Canadian seal hunts and general protection of marine environments.
The so-called "international ban" is a voluntary ban (moratorium). no one country has the power to enforce its law on another country (it's called "comity"), except by force.
That being said, it's stupid to hunt something into extinction, it seems we could come up with some whale farming methods, just like we have for plenty of animals (including fish)
QuoteThe International Whaling Commission is a voluntary international organisation and is not backed up by treaty. Therefore, the IWC, in essence, is a voluntary organisation which has substantial practical limitations on its authority. First, any member countries are free to simply leave the organisation and declare themselves not bound by it if they so wish. Second, any member state may opt out of any specific IWC regulation by lodging a formal objection to it within 90 days of the regulation coming into force[19] (such provisions are common in international agreements, on the logic that it is preferable to have parties remain within the agreements than opt out altogether). Third, the IWC has no ability to enforce any of its decisions through penalty imposition.
That tard on the Sea Sheppard is about as good a spokesman for anti whaling as
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/02/_2007_10_haight-hippie.jpg)
this guy is for the medicinal marijuana cause
If I were Steve Irwin, I'd haunt that boat.
Quote from: shyster on July 28, 2009, 09:07:27 AM
The so-called "international ban" is a voluntary ban (moratorium). no one country has the power to enforce its law on another country (it's called "comity"), except by force.
That being said, it's stupid to hunt something into extinction, it seems we could come up with some whale farming methods, just like we have for plenty of animals (including fish)
The three member countries hunting whales are free to leave the IWC, but they hunt in defiance of the group they voluntarily joined. Japan hunts in a whale sanctuary in violation of the IWC mandate. Japan is a member in good standing of the IWC.
Quote from: redxblack on July 28, 2009, 09:21:06 AM
The three member countries hunting whales are free to leave the IWC, but they hunt in defiance of the group they voluntarily joined. Japan hunts in a whale sanctuary in violation of the IWC mandate. Japan is a member in good standing of the IWC.
Sounds like the IWC has some issues.
As far as this Sea Shepherd organization. I'm with the others. As long as they have this yahoo captain and his worthless crew (I hit my head on the boat while it was going up and down, I'm having a medical emergency now [roll]) they are doing more harm then good for the cause. I'd never give them a dime.
The IWC makes a joke of itself. I attribute a lot of the criticisms of Sea Shepherd to the framing of the television show. Watson is a self-labeled propagandist. Between his personality, inexperienced deck hands and a reality television production, it's a perfect storm for putting some douchebaggery on the screen. This is still the group that walked ice floes in Canada to paint baby harp seals blue (w/ non-toxic dye) to ruin their coats for harvesters.
maybe they should just stick to walking then
leave the boating to Statler
Quote from: redxblack on July 28, 2009, 09:21:06 AM
The three member countries hunting whales are free to leave the IWC, but they hunt in defiance of the group they voluntarily joined. Japan hunts in a whale sanctuary in violation of the IWC mandate. Japan is a member in good standing of the IWC.
My point was that there isn't really an "international ban" there is a moratorium in place by the International Whaling Commission.
So if you're not a member, you can hunt whales with impunity and no one can complain.
Japan remains a member because all participation with IWC is voluntary.
Quote from: redxblack on July 28, 2009, 09:57:47 AM
The IWC makes a joke of itself. I attribute a lot of the criticisms of Sea Shepherd to the framing of the television show. Watson is a self-labeled propagandist. Between his personality, inexperienced deck hands and a reality television production, it's a perfect storm for putting some douchebaggery on the screen. This is still the group that walked ice floes in Canada to paint baby harp seals blue (w/ non-toxic dye) to ruin their coats for harvesters.
i was disliking sea shepard before they got the show.
i have the same feeling towards anyone that uses assinine tactics like they do.
the show is terrible imo. but, killing whales is by far worse. one day people will look back on what we have done to our planet with great shame.
Shame I tell you... SHAME!!!!!
Quote from: al@sktc on July 28, 2009, 11:41:22 AM
the show is terrible imo. but, killing whales is by far worse. one day people will look back on what we have done to our planet with great shame.
my thoughts exactly. well said.
Quote from: al@sktc on July 28, 2009, 11:41:22 AM
the show is terrible imo. but, killing whales is by far worse. one day people will look back on what we have done to our planet with great shame.
what do you mean "we?"
i've never killed a whale. speak for yourself.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 28, 2009, 12:19:49 PM
Shame I tell you... SHAME!!!!!
not carlos.. he has no shame.. he teabags motorcycles
Quote from: shyster on July 28, 2009, 05:35:54 PM
not carlos.. he has no shame.. he teabags motorcycles
That is my indian name given to me on our first whale hunt. The shame!!!!!!
We, as in the human race. Something you belong to...
Quote from: NAKID on July 28, 2009, 05:53:44 PM
We, as in the human race. Something you belong to...
right, but i never hunted whales, nor did anyone in my ancestry.
guilt belongs to the guilty.
and as far as I see it, the only sin is hunting them to extinction. an animal's an animal, and if one eats hamburgers or chicken and complains about killin' whales outside of the extinction issue, then one is being sort of hypocritical.
Quote from: shyster on July 28, 2009, 06:48:06 PM
right, but i never hunted whales, nor did anyone in my ancestry.
guilt belongs to the guilty.
And I'm quite sure none of your ancestors ever used lamps with whale oil in them, ever.
Quote from: shyster on July 28, 2009, 06:48:06 PM
and as far as I see it, the only sin is hunting them to extinction. an animal's an animal, and if one eats hamburgers or chicken and complains about killin' whales outside of the extinction issue, then one is being sort of hypocritical.
If a McWhale came out, I'd try it. :P
I see your point. But, we breed cows and chickens for food, we don't kill them in the wild. Whales on the other hand can't really be bred for their "scientific" uses, nor can we be 100% certain that we aren't hunting them to extinction...
Ran into a couple girls from GreenPeace today trying to get my money to save the blue whales after lunch. I didn't appreciate their pusy tactics.
Quote from: IZ on July 28, 2009, 07:07:33 PM
Ran into a couple girls from GreenPeace today trying to get my money to save the blue whales after lunch. I didn't appreciate their pusy tactics.
Were they hot?
Quote from: IZ on July 28, 2009, 07:07:33 PM
Ran into a couple girls from GreenPeace today trying to get my money to save the blue whales after lunch. I didn't appreciate their pusy tactics.
Pushy or p*ssy tactics? :P
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 28, 2009, 07:19:35 PM
Pushy or p*ssy tactics? :P
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
nice!!
Well..I guess that answers your question Kop!! You can tell what was on my mind!
Actually, one was but the other one was a friggen dwarf!! Maybe 4' on a good day
AND No, I wasn't looking at her eye to eye either MrI.. .. ..
azz!! [cheeky]
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 28, 2009, 07:19:35 PM
Pushy or p*ssy tactics? :P
Exactly my thoughts.
What tactics were they employing?
Quote from: NAKID on July 28, 2009, 07:26:49 PM
Exactly my thoughts.
What tactics were they employing?
Pushy trying to keep us there while making me feel guilty because I wasn't giving them money. Stopped me on the way into lunch and on the way out. We went to lunch with Jimmy..aka..Bulletboy. I wonder if they stopped them too? I don't give cash to any cause.
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 28, 2009, 06:54:39 PM
And I'm quite sure none of your ancestors ever used lamps with whale oil in them, ever.
that's irrelevant. if that was the only option going, then that's what they used. same problem we have with car fuels -- we only have gas and diesel for the most part, even though other fuels are viable.
Quote
If a McWhale came out, I'd try it. :P
they have them in Japan.
Quote from: NAKID on July 28, 2009, 06:56:44 PM
I see your point. But, we breed cows and chickens for food, we don't kill them in the wild. Whales on the other hand can't really be bred for their "scientific" uses, nor can we be 100% certain that we aren't hunting them to extinction...
no one has ever tried.
ever been to Key West? Plenty of wild chicken hunts there.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12304172/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12304172/)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108784,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108784,00.html)
mmmmm whale nuggets
Quote from: IZ on July 28, 2009, 07:38:02 PM
Pushy trying to keep us there while making me feel guilty because I wasn't giving them money. Stopped me on the way into lunch and on the way out. We went to lunch with Jimmy..aka..Bulletboy. I wonder if they stopped them too? I don't give cash to any cause.
I ran into some pushy greenpeace (or equivalent) girls a few months ago.
Me: Sorry, not interested.
Them: But don't you want to save the planet?
Me (pointing to my bicycle): I just did. ;)
Quote from: somegirl on July 28, 2009, 08:43:55 PM
I ran into some pushy greenpeace (or equivalent) girls a few months ago.
Me: Sorry, not interested.
Them: But don't you want to save the planet?
Me (pointing to my bicycle): I just did. ;)
[moto]
I guess it cracks me up when people talk about "saving the planet"
Poison the shit out of it and we humans just die off.. The planet will just clean itself up and new life will spring up in a few 100 thousand years or so.
"Save the planet?" ha.. Save yourself.
Quote from: shyster on July 29, 2009, 06:37:07 PM
I guess it cracks me up when people talk about "saving the planet"
Poison the shit out of it and we humans just die off.. The planet will just clean itself up and new life will spring up in a few 100 thousand years or so.
"Save the planet?" ha.. Save yourself.
all hail the big rock in the sky... for it comes to smite us all
cept for those that voted for cap and trade
Quote from: shyster on July 29, 2009, 06:37:07 PM
I guess it cracks me up when people talk about "saving the planet"
Poison the shit out of it and we humans just die off.. The planet will just clean itself up and new life will spring up in a few 100 thousand years or so.
"Save the planet?" ha.. Save yourself.
Nihilists! make the beast with two backs me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Shut the make the beast with two backs up, Donny.
Who the make the beast with two backs are the Knutsens?