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Title: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: roy-nexus-6 on August 31, 2009, 03:00:05 PM
The EfficientDynamics is a 2+2 four-door hybrid that combines M Series performance with better fuel efficiency and less emissions than you see in many compacts. BMW performs this magic by marrying its ActiveHybrid technology with an extremely economical engine and excellent aerodynamics. The result is a concept car with a top speed governed at 155 mph and a zero-to-62 acceleration time of 4.8 seconds. More impressive, the car gets 62.2 mpg and emits a Prius-like 99 grams of CO2 per kilometer.
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/bmw-concept (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/08/bmw-concept)

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2009/08/bmw_vision_02.jpg)

BMW Vision EfficientDynamics. Part1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLGygbCr3sg&feature=player_embedded#ws-normal)
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: herm on August 31, 2009, 03:43:31 PM
first thought....wonder how huge the price tag will be.
second thought......if Bmw can do this, and make it look great...why again is the prius so make the beast with two backsin ugly?
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: zarn02 on August 31, 2009, 03:49:24 PM
Neato. [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: Fox on August 31, 2009, 04:40:07 PM
I hope that technology trickles down to the average guy soon.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: red baron on August 31, 2009, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: herm on August 31, 2009, 03:43:31 PM
first thought....wonder how huge the price tag will be.
second thought......if Bmw can do this, and make it look great...why again is the prius so make the beast with two backsin ugly?


zactly
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: Grampa on August 31, 2009, 05:29:39 PM
Al Gore invented it.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: derby on August 31, 2009, 05:41:23 PM
Quote from: herm on August 31, 2009, 03:43:31 PM
first thought....wonder how huge the price tag will be.

it will never be... it's a concept car.

Quote from: herm on August 31, 2009, 03:43:31 PM
second thought......if Bmw can do this, and make it look great...why again is the prius so make the beast with two backsin ugly?

comparing a concept to a production car is like apples and oranges.

a better comparison would be the toyota ft-hs (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=118933#12):

(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/toyota.hybrid.sports.concept/toyota.concept.prf.500.jpg)

(http://c2hwog.bay.livefilestore.com/y1ptoT6_LlSu6cPeQ2anWAxoGoqT8GoWQvzSq44Pr8JAwUpVTiPY6A9UTPpH82FUZJ9fAewZdyrvPP-2WG2e3VwOA/0702_b%2B2007_toyota_ft_hs_concept%2B4.jpg)

or the toyota volta:

(http://www.partstrain.com/images/The_Auto_Blog/toyota-volta1.jpg)
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: derby on August 31, 2009, 05:49:17 PM
moving closer to production, there's also the honda cr-z... here's the concept:

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2007/10/54009-a-hon.jpg)

let's see what the final version looks like.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: KnightofNi on August 31, 2009, 06:46:49 PM
Quote from: herm on August 31, 2009, 03:43:31 PM
first thought....wonder how huge the price tag will be.
second thought......if Bmw can do this, and make it look great...why again is the prius so make the beast with two backsin ugly?

but that doesn't look that great....in fact i'd say it's on par with the prius, it just looks more aggressive
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: CairnsDuc on September 01, 2009, 03:39:30 AM
BMW Hybrid = WANT!  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: herm on September 01, 2009, 04:05:39 AM
whatever... bmw tried to make a good looking car with their "concept".
the prius is aimed at all the former hippies who feel angst about using cars.
intentionally ugly to remind them of what bad people they are, and why they paid a premium for it.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: Pakhan on September 01, 2009, 09:03:51 AM
Screw the electric car, I want an alternative power plant that's fun to play with on many levels.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: mitt on September 01, 2009, 09:09:36 AM
Quote from: Pakhan on September 01, 2009, 09:03:51 AM
Screw the electric car, I want an alternative power plant that's fun to play with on many levels.

Nuclear?


In many ways, and electric car done right could be more fun than a gasoline...



mitt
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: Pakhan on September 01, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: mitt on September 01, 2009, 09:09:36 AM
Nuclear?


In many ways, and electric car done right could be more fun than a gasoline...



mitt

Nuclear works for me  [evil]

I don't see how an electric car can be fun to play with.  I don't mean speed or handling, I mean more tuning and tweaking.  Add batteries, increase amps, change the motor?
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: derby on September 01, 2009, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Pakhan on September 01, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
Nuclear works for me  [evil]

I don't see how an electric car can be fun to play with.  I don't mean speed or handling, I mean more tuning and tweaking.  Add batteries, increase amps, change the motor?

wait, so you think you'll be able to tweak a nuclear power plant but don't even know how to wind your own electric motor?

check out some of the videos that have been posted on electric drag racing.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: Monster Dave on September 01, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
I'd vote to reboot the 1988 Pontiac Banshee concept car as a new eco-friendly ride if I thought it would do any good; sadly with Pontiac dead, I doubt it'll ever be resurrected.

(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1988-pontiac-banshee-concept-car-1.jpg)

I always loved the lines of this concept though.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: Pakhan on September 01, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: derby on September 01, 2009, 11:35:42 AM
wait, so you think you'll be able to tweak a nuclear power plant but don't even know how to wind your own electric motor?

check out some of the videos that have been posted on electric drag racing.

I thought nuclear was an obvious joke.

I will check out some of those youtubes, thanks.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: derby on September 01, 2009, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: Monster Dave on September 01, 2009, 12:41:25 PM
I'd vote to reboot the 1988 Pontiac Banshee concept car as a new eco-friendly ride if I thought it would do any good; sadly with Pontiac dead, I doubt it'll ever be resurrected.

I always loved the lines of this concept though.

that car was the "concept" for the 4th gen camaro/firebird.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: KnightofNi on September 01, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: herm on September 01, 2009, 04:05:39 AM
whatever... bmw tried to make a good looking car with their "concept".
the prius is aimed at all the former hippies who feel angst about using cars.
intentionally ugly to remind them of what bad people they are, and why they paid a premium for it.

i think they tried to make it "edgy" and it looks like crap.

i also think that the current gen of the prius doens't actually look that bad.
the first gen was awful.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: nateqwik on September 01, 2009, 05:40:59 PM
Quote from: bobspapa on August 31, 2009, 05:29:39 PM
Al Gore invented it.

...along with "global warming".
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: ducpainter on September 01, 2009, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: Pakhan on September 01, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
I thought nuclear was an obvious joke.

I will check out some of those youtubes, thanks.
I hope it isn't.

I want a pocket fusion reactor that I can plug in to the cigarette lighter like a usb drive to make it go. [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: somegirl on September 01, 2009, 07:25:39 PM
The Teslas look pretty good when they drive by in twisties.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: Randimus Maximus on September 01, 2009, 08:03:37 PM
Back seats in that BMW don't look very practical.

Price tag will most likely unworldly.

And to Derby's point...electric go karts are a kick in the ass.... http://www.k1speed.com/karts.asp (http://www.k1speed.com/karts.asp)
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: NAKID on September 02, 2009, 04:43:08 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on September 01, 2009, 06:22:33 PM
I hope it isn't.

I want a pocket fusion reactor that I can plug in to the cigarette lighter like a usb drive to make it go. [thumbsup]

Currently the smallest vehicle I know of with nuclear power is 150' long and 12' wide...
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: Pakhan on September 02, 2009, 05:08:27 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on September 01, 2009, 06:22:33 PM
I hope it isn't.

I want a pocket fusion reactor that I can plug in to the cigarette lighter like a usb drive to make it go. [thumbsup]

That I can stand behind. I don't know about any nuclear powered sitting in my pocket next to the boys.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: NAKID on September 02, 2009, 05:22:56 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on September 01, 2009, 06:22:33 PM
I hope it isn't.

I want a pocket fusion reactor that I can plug in to the cigarette lighter like a usb drive to make it go. [thumbsup]

Oh, BTW, nuclear reactors don't make power. The reactions cause heat which is transferred to pressurized water which then heats water outside of the reactor that is allowed to boil and create steam which turns turbines that convert it into electricity.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: Pakhan on September 02, 2009, 05:30:28 AM
Actually they do make power, we just can't harness it.
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: NAKID on September 02, 2009, 05:33:31 AM
Quote from: Pakhan on September 02, 2009, 05:30:28 AM
Actually they do make power, we just can't harness it.

That's why I put the "make" in italics. We don't currently possess the technology to harness the radiation energy in any way other than the heat production...
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: ducpainter on September 02, 2009, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: NAKID on September 02, 2009, 05:33:31 AM
That's why I put the "make" in italics. We don't currently possess the technology to harness the radiation energy in any way other than the heat production...
So...

get working on it. :D
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: NAKID on September 02, 2009, 05:46:13 PM
It's on my "to do" list....
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: ducpainter on September 02, 2009, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: NAKID on September 02, 2009, 05:46:13 PM
It's on my "to do" list....
Should I hold my breath?
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: NAKID on September 02, 2009, 06:00:56 PM
I wouldn't recommend it, unless you look good in a nice shade of blue...
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: ducpainter on September 02, 2009, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: NAKID on September 02, 2009, 05:46:13 PM
It's on my "to do" list....
Quote from: NAKID on September 02, 2009, 06:00:56 PM
I wouldn't recommend it, unless you look good in a nice shade of blue...
So...

you're saying it's on the honey do list?   [laugh]
Title: Re: Definately NOT a Prius.
Post by: herm on September 03, 2009, 03:43:30 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on September 02, 2009, 05:47:25 PM
Should I hold my breath?
no.
when you are ascending from the sunken sub, they key is to constantly exhale. that and a slow ascent speed will assist in avoiding the "bends"
8)