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Greetings Ducers,

What is the last year and biggest CC they made with air cooled monsters.   Yes  NO anit free-free.   [coffee]

Now all monsters are air cooled and biggest is 1100cc.

Or I don't understand your question.

mitt

Air cooled only!

The new Monsters are air cooled.

Correct me if I am wrong.  Doesnt the newer monsters run anti-freeze?

The new 1100 does not run anti-freeze.  It has no radiator, and no liquid cooling system.  The only liquid-cooled monsters (aka run anti-freeze) are the 01-02 MS4, the '04-'06 S4r, and '07-'08 S4rs and S4rT.  In the current line-up, the Streetfighter replaces the prior generation liquid-cooled monster.


This FAQ on different generations of monsters might help:  http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25126.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25126.0)

also, several of the larger displacement air cooled monsters do have an oil cooler, which might be causing some confusion

Thanks for the info !  [thumbsup]

Engineernerd time - the air cooled monsters are also liquid cooled (oil), just not water (anitfreeze) cooled.

mitt

Technically, oil is not a liquid.  It's lubey goodness.  You should know that.   [cheeky]

If we go that route, then it's the 696... Other wise it's the 1100 if you count oil as lubey goodness and not a liquid.

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1.   any of a large class of substances typically unctuous, viscous, combustible, liquid at ordinary temperatures, and soluble in ether or alcohol but not in water: used for anointing, perfuming, lubricating, illuminating, heating, etc.

Not all of them.

The 750s that had the slave on the left side were air only as were all the models less than 900 (620/800).

The 900's were oil/air until FI, I think, when they went to air only...I think.

Dunno about the 1KDS and the 696/1100.

I also don't know about the old case (97) M750.

All the FI 900s are air and oil.

 ???

You sound sure.

I wasn't. ;)

I coulda sworn I saw an air only 900 injected model. :-\

why the 696?  It uses oil to cool the heads also, it just doesn't have an oil cooler out front.

mitt

I'm not versed in 696 tech - can you explain that?


Well, there's a pack of 900s running around here locally from 2000+ and they all have oil coolers. Mines a 2000 900Ie and it's def got a cooler.

I did see photos of a 900 where they had a different cooler that was larger and had been moved way back under the rider seating area. It was pretty slick, but look like a lot of effort.

I think we're confusing some folks by calling the engines "oil cooled."  Any engine that runs oil is cooled by that oil.  If you drained the oil, the engine would overheat and seize.  Most Monster engines have a little radiator in the front for the oil to disipate heat.  The water cooled engines have a second, much larger radiator for the water/coolant.

Exactly.

Oil is used in all engines, therefore it is neglected as a cooling agent due to its commonality.

Radiator = liquid cooled

No radiator = air cooled

But the liquid is air cooled     ;D

No, the metal is air cooled. The oil transfers it's heat to the metal...

Air cool

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Air cool

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air cool

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Liquid cool

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Liquid cool

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Air cool

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One of my all time favorite Monsters  [thumbsup]

mitt

Instead of arguing air cooled vs liquid cooled, wouldn't it be less confusing to argue air cooled vs. water cooled?  If you have to add anti-freeze/water to your bike, it's water cooled (S4R, etc).  If you only add oil in your bike, then it's air cooled (the rest of the Monsters). 

Oil is a lubricant. I don't consider oil as a coolant unless there is a jacket around the cylinder wall to effect heat transfer to the oil.

The early 900s had that jacket. I'm pretty sure the later ones did not.

My 2000 (ie) has oil pumped through passages in the barrels, the '92 SS has external oil lines but the return still goes through the barrels, and then the cooler (I think)

On the monster, when you look in between the fins is the depth the same all the way top to bottom or is it the same as the SS?

Dunno.  I'll look next time I'm working on them

We'll talk in the spring. [laugh]

Not necessarily.

The S4 had a first, much larger radiator for the water/coolant.

No oil coolers on the S4's.

Interesting topic but technically they're all air cooled. That's where the heat gets dumped. Everything else just helps with the transfer

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Ya'll are misinterpreting the question.


Biggest CC is 1100 (no antifreeze). They are still being produced, so technically, the last year they were made is the current calendar year, until they get discontinued.

I give the rest of the board an "F" for reading comprehension.

I'll take that F and give you a U. ;D

we all understood the question, and it was answered early in the thread, but then we got off on a tangent. must be boredom  ;D

You would've been a great engineer.

 :o

report to moderator ....oh ... i mean ...

I don't know what that sentence means.

For all the nerds pedants out there, perhaps we should use the phrase "sans oil or water based heat exchangers".

Did you read the very first reply?

Maybe you should give yourself an F...

I did, but I was bringing things back on topic  :P

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The intresting part about this question is what size engine can effectively be air cooled; oil cooled and water / antifreeze cooled.

So

What size engines have been engineered by Ducati  for air ,oil & water/antifreeze applications? Why use water as opposed to oil?   ... see new post  ;D

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Forum > Moto Board > Tech > What size engines air ,oil & water/antifreez? Why?


by my recollection ....

air cooled; yrs? - 400; 600 620

Oil cooled; Yrs? - 750 ? to 02; 800 ; 900; 1k 1.1k - 2 valvers (and what about the oil cooled cyl jacket Nate mentioned; intresting)

water antifreeze cooled Yrs? Its related to the 4 cyl valves right?- 749? 848? 849? 916? 999?

s4rs and race bikes ... and they also have an oil cooler right?

Ah yes, but as a photo of my 696 was used and labeled "air cooled", I must point out that mine does indeed have an external oil cooler  [evil]

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Here is the part where I  [bang].

Room on your wall? ;D

so.  After reading through all this.  Water cooled vs. Air cooled in the traditional sense would be antifreeze/water vs. Just Oil.  I get that.  I am thinking an oil cooler is not necessarily what makes a bike oil cooled.  Is it jackets and channels in the motor to allow the oil to cool the engine that make it oil cooled.  These sound like places the oil is doing something other than lubricating. 

A straight up explanation would be great.

On a side note.  up until 1996 the Porsche 911 was air cooled.  Least that is what people said, I believe in actuality it was oil cooled as it took 9 quarts of oil and had an oil cooler up front where you would find a radiator on normal cars. 

I assume my s2r1000 is oil cooled. 

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Forum > Moto Board > Tech > What size engines air ,oil & water/antifreez? Why?

just directing ... not Thread J-ing

The questioned developed out of simplicity for monsters, that do not use anti-freeze yet still have a larger CC than say 900.  I love my  M900 and I am very glad to know You can get a 1100 and dont have to change any freaking anti-freeze if you so desired.  ;D