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Title: These legal in NSW? Post by: Justo on October 04, 2009, 12:08:06 PM So with my nice win on the Melbourne storm yesterday [bacon] [bacon] I'm thinking of getting this.
http://www.bikemonkey.com.au/ducati-monster-696-1100-led-taillight-with-integrated-turnsignals.html (http://www.bikemonkey.com.au/ducati-monster-696-1100-led-taillight-with-integrated-turnsignals.html) Does anyone know if such combined setup is legal here in nsw? [leo] Anyone got these? And if so with the Competition Werks fender eliminator kit already installed. Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: dragonworld. on October 04, 2009, 12:14:03 PM I think the main issue in Oz ADR'se is the distance between the actual indicators!! ???
Dunno what it is supposed to be, but depends on the enthusiasm of the [leo], to whether you get any grief! [evil] Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: mattyvas on October 04, 2009, 02:19:56 PM Strictly no they are not legal for the reasons Dragon pointed out.
But there re plenty of people running them. Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: FIFO on October 04, 2009, 03:02:53 PM Hey Justo
They are legal untill inspector plod catches you,that could be now or never. But can't tell you if these are legal or not .but if you have to ask i guess they aren't legal.Being a safety issue I was looking at them my self and found this Here is some thing i copied and pasted from desmotimes. With far more cred than me, more safety iussue than legal even though it is from the US. http://www.desmotimes.com/Clear (http://www.desmotimes.com/Clear) Taillight with LED Taillight - $79.95 This insert replaces the stock bulb and lens on 1999+ Ducati 750/800/900/1000 Sport and Supersport. This tail light does NOT have the integrated turn signals. I will not sell such setups because I feel they are dangerous and do not offer oncoming traffic enough visual cues about impending turns. I remember in the old days hand signals were ok no indictors needed, good for dirt bikes but i supose if indicators are fitted they must remain so i will have to check the ADR'S on that. Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: Betty on October 04, 2009, 03:42:00 PM I will not sell such setups because I feel they are dangerous and do not offer oncoming traffic enough visual cues about impending turns. ??? On-coming traffic ??? Isn't that what front indicators are for? BTW, I don't think they are strictly legal either ... and dare I say many of our indicator setups may not be. I remember in the old days hand signals were ok no indictors needed, good for dirt bikes Kind of off topic, but what are the hand signals while riding a bike? I know how it is meant to work in a car ... but on a bike? Taking your hand away from the throttle and brake can't be a good thing. Are signals mirror reversed on the left hand? I am sure most drivers wouldn't have a clue anyway. Anybody know? Just so you know Lillie doesn't have any indicators and I just use whatever means I can to let people know my intentions ... just don't know the correct procedure. Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: mattyvas on October 04, 2009, 04:25:01 PM Here you go.
Hand Signals (http://www.trainweb.org/toenailridge/Scoots/HandSignalsmod.jpg) Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: heatherp on October 04, 2009, 07:15:42 PM Here you go. Hand Signals (http://www.trainweb.org/toenailridge/Scoots/HandSignalsmod.jpg) It would seem right turns don't exist. [cheeky] Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: The Bacon Junkie on October 04, 2009, 08:00:57 PM I think the main issue in Oz ADR'se is the distance between the actual indicators!! ??? Dunno what it is supposed to be, but depends on the enthusiasm of the [leo], to whether you get any grief! [evil] Hello from Southern California! [beer] Over here your turn indicators need to be nine inches apart from center of the bulb. I would think if the part of the integrated signal that changed colors to indicate a turn was the required distance from center (4 1/2 inches), then the setup would be legal. Or, I could be completely wrong... [cheeky] Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: dragonworld. on October 04, 2009, 08:30:09 PM It appears that the distance between the signals varies, depending on the State!! [roll]
It varies from 180mm (South Oz) to 300mm (Vic). ??? Good old Oz bureaucracy, consistently inconsistant. [roll] :( [leo] Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: FIFO on October 04, 2009, 10:13:03 PM ??? On-coming traffic ??? Isn't that what front indicators are for? BTW, I don't think they are strictly legal either ... and dare I say many of our indicator setups may not be. Kind of off topic, but what are the hand signals while riding a bike? I know how it is meant to work in a car ... but on a bike? Taking your hand away from the throttle and brake can't be a good thing. Are signals mirror reversed on the left hand? I am sure most drivers wouldn't have a clue anyway. Anybody know? Rob. Just so you know Lillie doesn't have any indicators and I just use whatever means I can to let people know my intentions ... just don't know the correct procedure. Hey Betty. Your really making me work hard here :P [bang] I think we all know what Desmo times was trying to get at. i did pick that up my self.should read incoming [laugh] As for hand signals they are perfectly legal in NSW p62 section 5 Motor cycle hand book http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/downloads/motorcycle_riders_handbook.pdf (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/downloads/motorcycle_riders_handbook.pdf) Think of all the vintage bikes on the road pre indicators. Possibly a lot of those Duc's at the concourse didn't have any? 30 M'ts is when you should start to indicate before turning. usually you are of the gas so a quick right hand signal is possible. Left turn to easy, hand signals between gear changes [laugh] As for lane changing who uses indicators anyway ;D and right hand signals next to impossible . I still like to use hand signals now and then .As indicators i my opinion are next to useless during the day any way. As they say ride defensively or so it goes. And who or WTF is LILLIE? We got to talk!! [roll] Rob Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: Justo on October 04, 2009, 11:42:16 PM I emailed the seller. Bikemonkey anyway seems they are only legal if u keep the stock indicators on... Pft. Kinda defeats the purpose really....
Bugger [bang] as for u short bus bacon. U guys don't even need helmets in some states of the us. That's insane!!!!!!!! And here we are winging about mm distance on indicators. Wow. Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: dragonworld. on October 05, 2009, 01:00:03 AM Heh, USA equals "Land of the Free". ;D
Oz equals Land of the OVERTAXED, OVER REGULATED and NO Bill of Rights?? :o [roll] :( Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: Betty on October 05, 2009, 01:45:42 AM Hey Betty. Your really making me work hard here :P [bang] I think we all know what Desmo times was trying to get at. i did pick that up my self.should read incoming [laugh] As in IIINNNCOOOMMMINNNNG!!!! ;D Thanks for the link Rob ... more or less as I expected. On my quick skim through the document I noticed a HM in one of the piccies 8). Either hand is can be a struggle on Lillie with the gear change on the left hand. Lillie is Jukie's Lambretta ... she who builds the scoot, names the scoot [laugh] Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: roy-nexus-6 on October 05, 2009, 12:19:23 PM It appears that the distance between the signals varies, depending on the State!! [roll] It varies from 180mm (South Oz) to 300mm (Vic). ??? This is good to know. Mine are still illegal, but now I know by what degree :D Anyone got these? If you are riding an older monster, you can put the indicators in the frame - hides them nicely. Newer monster? I've seen indicators integrated into the license plate - but they are also no compliant. How about buying the smallest legal indicators you can find, and mounting them behind the license plate, so that only the indicator peeks out on each side? Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: Justo on October 05, 2009, 05:51:40 PM Newer monster? I've seen indicators integrated into the license plate - but they are also no compliant. How about buying the smallest legal indicators you can find, and mounting them behind the license plate, so that only the indicator peeks out on each side? Yeah, could. But still defeats the purpose of having a nice tidy package and adding more just to take away is kinda ironic. When the eliminator goes on (arrived this morning) it may, fingers crossed, buy me some satisfaction time that I may forget about the integrated indicators. Just maybe. hmmm. Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: The Bacon Junkie on October 05, 2009, 09:53:55 PM ...snip... as for u short bus bacon. U guys don't even need helmets in some states of the us. That's insane!!!!!!!! And here we are winging about mm distance on indicators. Wow. Insane is right!!! [thumbsup] I'm an all the gear all the time guy. I'm not a fan of the government legislating common sense, but I think that if you're stupid enough to ride without gear, you get what you deserve.... :P It's illegal to ride without a helmet in California, btw... Almost every Harley rider you see here wears these little half helmets that look like soup bowls. That ain't gonna help in a crash at all.... [bang] [roll] Cheers, -Ry Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: Justo on October 05, 2009, 10:02:00 PM Insane is right!!! [thumbsup] I'm an all the gear all the time guy. I'm not a fan of the government legislating common sense, but I think that if you're stupid enough to ride without gear, you get what you deserve.... :P +1 Unfortunately if it were me who was in the accident, be someone elses fault or not, and they died, due to no helmet/gear, I'd feel like absolute shit and no doubt id be a mess emotionally. Even if I didnt know them. Wearing gear is actually a selfless act, you are not only saving your own skin, but the emotional state of more importantly your family, friends, riding buddies and even the random 3rd person who was involved in the dingle. But perhaps this is another thread completey. Already no doubt covered elsewhere. "Cool"? "Tough"? I'll take "stupid"! Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: The Bacon Junkie on October 06, 2009, 07:19:40 AM Justo... I never even thought of it that way... :-\ You are absolutely right!
Ride safe everybody. [moto] keep the rubber side down -Ry Title: Re: These legal in NSW? Post by: roy-nexus-6 on October 06, 2009, 02:53:07 PM Heh, USA equals "Land of the Free". ;D Oz equals Land of the OVERTAXED, OVER REGULATED and NO Bill of Rights?? :o [roll] :( lol - yes, it's terrible here. Horrible. [laugh] United Nations Development Program's Human Development Report 2009 - measuring life expectancy, school enrolments and income. Norway: 1st Australia: 2nd http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/australia-ranked-no-2-for-quality-of-life-20091005-gjfg.html (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/australia-ranked-no-2-for-quality-of-life-20091005-gjfg.html) |