Ducati Monster Forum

I'm looking to get a set of adjustable levers for my 99 M750.  The Pazzo's seem to be much cheaper than the CRG's that I've seen.  Other than price is there anything else that's really different between them? 

Right now I'm thinking of getting a set of black Pazzo's with a dark purple adjuster knob.  I think that'd look cool on my dark bike.

i have pazzo longs currently installed on my 2006 speed triple
and on order for my s4rs now, hopefully have them in a day or two...
ive been very happy with the pazzos,
the long ones fit my larger hands well, theyre really well crafted/ finished
very solid feel, like them a lot...
depending on who gets there first, will order pazzos or crgs for the 696,
whichever arrives on market first.
but im REALLY happy with my pazzos, cant go wrong there.

I remember reading on TOB that CRG came up with the design of the levers and pazzo basically ripped off the idea and produce them cheaper. This may or may not be an issue for you

The Pazzos are not a direct copy of the CRGs as they come with an integral clutch switch, whereas the CRGs require a separate  adapter to allow you to start your bike in gear. Not a huge deal but it's what made me go with the Pazzos.

+1.  The pazzo's are sweet.  At first I felt really dumb for spending ~$185 on levers, but when you put them on they're sooo good.  Feel good, look good.  Makes things much more comfortable.  Definitely an easy but effective mod.  (I have the black lever/silver adjuster shorties)

Side note:
It seems that CRG didn't feel the need to put the tab on the clutch lever.  Pazzo saw the opportunity and offers us an alternative product with similar quality, at a better price.  Seems like good business to me.  Sucks if CRG got ripped off (I haven't fully researched the evolution of these levers), but I put the blame on CRG for not fully integrating with our bike.  I didn't feel it was necessary for me to have to spend a good amount of cash on levers and still have to turn around and make modifications for them to work correctly on my bike. 

Thanks for all the replies.  I definitely think I'm gonna go for the Pazzo's in black/dark purple.  I've got smaller hands so I'm looking forward to moving the levers in a bit.  Once I get them/put them on I'll post a pic.

Glad we could help  [thumbsup]

I just installed some black pazzos (shorty's) about a month ago and am very happy with them, they even came with some custom engraving  [beer].  I'll thank the capitalistic ideology for driving the price down! Install was a breeze as well (except that the plunger pin on the clutch side was sealed in place with a dab of expoxy...not very difficult to remove (I just lit a match under it) but you want to be aware of it so that you don't strip the screw head trying to remove it....found lots of good reading material on this issue at that "other site". 

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a84/Lardoggy/Ducati/IMG_0344.jpg)

What's the real difference between the shorty's and regular length?  As of right now I don't really use my pinky finger on my levers cuz it's just too far away.  Logic would make me say that I either stick with that and get short levers or get full length and start new with a good habit with levers that are closer to the bars.

Nice looking bike btw.

I can fit 3 fingers on the shorties with the outside (third) finger comfortable but snug against the end.  Medium sized hands should go with the shorties IMHO.  They look bada$$ too. 

I got my pazzo's from www.motomummy.com  Just make sure you get the right pivot size unless you've changed brake & clutch pumps. I went with remote resivoir pumps, but they had the same bigger pivot size as they're still the older style.

I also have the short Pazzo's. I think they're great.  [thumbsup]

I used to always brake with two fingers and now I also clutch with two, didn't really take much time to get used to it either, so the shorty's work just fine.  Also, in the event of a tip over they should be fine (although the bar end mirrors would suffer badly)

Well I did it.  I just ordered a set from www.motomummy.com.  They were cheaper than ebay and had an offer for a set of free gel grips (which I won't use cuz I'm too lazy to take off my bar end mirros).  I ordered a set of short black ones with dark purple adjustors.  They had an option for my year bike so I chose that.  I have a stock set up now so I don't anticipate any issues with putting them on (hopefully). 

I threw a plug for this site in the comments for my order too.  Maybe we'll get some traffic from them or something. 

Man I'm so excited!  I can't wait for them to come in!!

call me  picky, but I'm just not fond of the machined finish on the pazzos.

which, obviously, has nothing to do w/the performance of it.

Recently the Pazzo's have gone way up in price.

I ended up getting the CRG's from my local shop for less than best price I could find on the Pazzo's.

The finish is beautiful, and they feel incredible.

I put on a set of shorty CRG's last night. Ive got arthritis in my clutch hand, and it normally hurts wears me down in the city fairly quick. Made my commute this morning and no issues whatsoever. Whether its the Pazzo's or CRG's, being able to adjust them to your hand and comfort is well worth the price of admission, especially when they were a gift

Jeff at MonsterParts told me that now the CRGs are made with the tab, no mod part needed anymore.

yeah, and it was a case of DMWW finding out before Jeff ! the thread started at the very beginning of the DMWW - and I emailed him he got a new order of CRG in - and it's true - they have the tab!

looks like the originator is fighting back!

Mine are new, and I don't have the tab.  :'(

Already order a couple of levers for my New Red M696  [thumbsup]
They are short Pazzo´s
Red levers and black dial
228€
(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/11/08c0d6c1b6504eb709a12f7yd9.jpg)
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6271/abc6d92076811be56330307jn6.jpg)

Those look real nice.

I got my black/dark purple short levers today.  I'll try and post a pic up tonight.

I put the levers on today.  I can't believe how easy it was.  It literally took me about 10 minutes and would have been less if I had an actual socket wrench and not an adjustable wrench.  All I had to do was undo the counter nut then remove the pivot bolt then slide the old lever out.  Grease up the bolt, slide the new lever in, make sure the plunger aligned and then slide the bolt through and put the nut back on.  That was it.  I couldn't believe how easy it was. 

I should be able to get some nice pics tomorrow.  I'm somewhat regretting my color choice now (black levers/dark purple switches) since the purple isn't as dark as I was hoping.  It still looks nice but it's not quite the look that I was expecting. 

I just went out and took some pics.  Let me know what you guys think.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2559480284_93f5b1c510.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2558655575_5b1a7a0511.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3076/2559481246_2e8d22a5b5.jpg?v=0)

You might as well get new switches - no sleep for you until you do [evil] ;)
Of course I'm joking, but then again maybe I'm not? I know it will SOMETIMES bug me if something was just a little different than what I wanted.
They can't be very expensive and they can be bought separately?

I'm getting my CRGs soon and thanks to your description I might try to install myself. Usually I would be afraid of touching anything connected to the brakes.

Hahahaha, I think now that they're on the bike I'm starting to like them more. 

There's a few video's on youtube that go through the installation.  Mine was pretty easy since I didn't have to mess with any of the plunger assembly or anything.  If you look at the pic of the levers that PJFA posted above you can see that there's more than just the pivot bolt that you have to mess with.  I guess depending on the year of your bike the type of lever and the degree of difficulty changes but no matter what it doesn't seem that hard. 

You can check out this thread for other peoples' experiences:  http://ducatimonsterworldwide.org/index.php?topic=2921.msg40239#msg40239 (http://ducatimonsterworldwide.org/index.php?topic=2921.msg40239#msg40239)

I went the Pazzo on my S4R.  Standard length...

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k135/bretmorris/P5240095.jpg)

I would love to see a picture of those levers on your bike! I'm agonizing about color for new levers on my red 620.

I went black with silver adjusters.  Pretty standard color combo and it wont clash with any colors.  Ducati has had a few different shades of red on their bikes so you never know if the adjuster would match the red of your bike exactly.  I was considering gold adjusters, but am glad I went with silver. 

I am curious about the adjustment.  It looks like there are 6 settings on the Pazzo's.  Is 3/4 close to stock length of pull, or is a majority of the adjustment range in one direction?

Yeah, I've got 6 settings on my Pazzo's.  It seems to me that 6 is the closest to stock range.

Which end of the range of travel is 6?  Is all of the adjustment you have left moving away from the bar or towards it?  (Sorry for all of the questions, I was just hoping to find levers that would be able to sit a little closer to the bar.  I have an awful lot of pull on my bike.)

No problem.  I'm glad to help (if I am helping).  6 is the furthest from the handlebars and each click brings it closer.  I found 1 to be too close for me and have my clutch on 3 and my brake on 2.  Just so you know the strength required for the pull doesn't change just the length of the pull. 

That would be my other choice!

Get the ASV levers. They have almost 200 adjustment positions I shit you not. They also have a more comfortable lever shape IMO.

They also have a 5 year unbreakable guarantee.

(http://www.solomotoparts.com/product_image.php?imageid=16299)

If you're gonna jack the thread, do it right.  Tell us about those ASV levers.  Do they come with the switches built in?  Do they work with the remote reservoir type master cylinders?  Any installation issues?

Besides not knowing how these actually work on Monsters, I have 3 concerns about these levers:

1) They've got "ASV" plastered on the outside for the world to see. My bike is not a rolling billboard.

2) 200 positions is WAY too many. Why is that a problem? Well, for one thing, at some point someone's going to mess with them. With a small number of potential settings it takes only a second to put the settings back where they belong. With 200, it could take forever. There's also an issue of futzing with them while riding. That can only be a bad thing, but at least with a small number of settings that'll get boring fast and the rider will move on to paying attention to riding. That much adjustability means that there really isn't any significant difference from one setting to the next. More is not always better!

3) Nothing is unbreakable. I tend to distrust companies that claim they make something that is unbreakable.

200 where 6 is good enough seems a bit excessive. I'd be cool (but rather useless) if you could adjust perpendicular to the normal adjustments (up and down). Other than that, why bother with 200 positions going back and forth?

Just my opinion, but I don't mind companies saying their product is unbreakable. If that's true, slap on a lifetime guarantee and I'll trust you're right. Otherwise, don't wuss out with five years (despite the fact that 5 years is quite a long time... but Hello!! You said UNBREAKABLE!....).

so... you've taken the ducati stickers off your tank and found a way to fill in the clutch side cover, have you?  [cheeky]

Well, no, but my bike isn't an ASV, whatever that is. I'm certainly not going to add anything with names or logos to the bike, including anything that says Ducati.

About the ASV levers....I saw them at Laguna Seca last year and I have to say that I would buy them over the CRG or Pazzo sets.  [thumbsup](I've seen and used both) They are a very high quality fit and finish even at the price.They also move like velvet over you butt. ;D VERY smooth!
As for the unbreakable and 200 thing---- the only thing you'll complain about when you dump your bike with Pazzos or GRGs is the 200 bucks you'll spend to replace them.  (I know they come in singles and are half the cost, but still.) Most people will not have the same bike 5 years from now anyway. Besides I think it's not 200 adj points but 100 per lever.

Good selling point for a used bike to have warranty left on the levers.  They also will fix it or replace it for free if it you damage it in any way. Great customer policy there. They also avoid the whole Pazzo ripped off CRG issue.
The fact is is that all these levers are a major improvement in looks and performance from stock .

BTW... CRG and Pazzo also have their names on their levers, as well as Termis, Arrows, BST, Marchesinis, Rizomas...etc.
KP

Yeah but the Pazzo's, and I believe the CRG's, have the branding on the inside of the lever vs the ASV's that have it on the outside. 

yeah, but the ASVs logo is covered by your hand while riding, so what's the big deal?

Parking too much in front of the starbucks recently?   [cheeky]

I'm wondering if the ASVs are available for an 04 620, anyone know?  Last email I sent them said "next month" but from what I understand, they've been saying 'next month' for a while.



andy

You're picky!  But you are a machinist after all, so it's all good.   [cheeky]

Will the ASVs accommodate the microswith for those bikes that need it?

The CRGs were my first choice before, but come on, how can they totally not do anything for the microswitch, and still market the lever for those specific bikes.

That issue doesn't even apply to my bike anymore, but for that reason, I'll go with the Pazzos soon.  And, they're still cheaper.

CRGs come with the clutch microswitch tab now. AB-611C is the model for my Monster 620 and I can confirm it exists (because I bought one and installed it...pics can be attached, if needed).

If that's so, it's about time.

It shouldn't take "years" to realize that part is needed.

Yeah, pretty lame it took them 5 years to design a part for the clutch. But, that being said the end result is pretty nice. I actually just bought the silver part from CRG directly (20 dollars for the part, 9 bucks for shipping + handling) so if you already have a set of the AB-511C you can convert them easily. IMHO, it's more solid than the tab I made a while back using one of the threads on the TOB and it matches the rest of the lever assembly nicely...better than even the Monsterpart tab.

(http://www.sangalicious.com/tmp/crg_1.jpg)

(http://www.sangalicious.com/tmp/crg_2.jpg)

Good thread everyone! From everything I've read here it looks like the Pazzo's are the way to go, they've got the looks the fit and they seem to be the cheapest I've been able to find.  I used Pazzo's on my R1 and was very happy with them, I was open to other brands for my Duc but the choice seems pretty clear...now it's just a matter of picking the right color combo  :)

Pazzo will also let you buy different color adjusters.  They don't recommend it but if you're fickle or want a color change you can.

Here my Pazzo´s
(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2599/dsc00607po4.jpg)

Pazzo

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb126/hoosierhooligans/Alldone005.jpg)

(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb126/hoosierhooligans/Alldone006.jpg)

After much internal debate I went ahead and picked up a set of Pazzos's for my bike.  I was considering the CRG's but at $250 shipped vs. $180 for the Pazzo's...well....what can I say.  Thanks to Grifo, Icon and Brian for the web install help  [thumbsup]

(http://www.mysimplelife.com/monster/IMG_1812.JPG)

(http://www.mysimplelife.com/monster/IMG_1813.JPG)

(http://www.mysimplelife.com/monster/IMG_1817.JPG)

(http://www.mysimplelife.com/monster/IMG_1818.JPG)

Pazzos

(http://s338.photobucket.com/albums/n417/Bbrent_photos/th_IMG_7512.jpg)

Brian

Just curious from the posted pics, are the gold levers close to the same color as the stock gas caps?  They look brighter, but sometimes the color in pics can be a little off.  I have the anodized gold bits here and there, but levers that didn't match would drive me crazy. 

Not a perfect match, but pretty close 

+1 on Pazzo's

Here's mine. I picked them up right from Pazzo Racing in Langley, BC. Nice operation they have there!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2707053677_3559d9e05a.jpg?v=0)

The CRG levers are engraved across the top just like the ASV.  Not a great picture, b ut I have the old style CRG gold standard length levers.  The gold works well with the brembo calipers, center of the rotors, and my Ferracci pressure plate.  My Pazzo's on my 600RR seem to vibrate less, but they are shorties too.

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1346/dsc00721tf9.jpg)

has anyone used Rizoma levers? how do they compare to Pazzo? i've got rizoma grips and stuff and thought i might keep everything similar.

Love my Pazzo Shorty's in Ti color...took 10 minutes to install and super smooth/

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/alienfocus/100_0862.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/alienfocus/100_0863.jpg)

Can you send one on a day light?

Nop  ;D My CyberShot is K.0.  [bang]

Is the color very different from ducati color?
Dont know to buy red or titanium/silver

A little bit different (you Know red Suzuki RF 900? Is almost the same colour)  [thumbsup]

(http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6161/dsc06031fo3.jpg)
More pics here:http://desmodromicamente.blogspot.com/2008/08/35-dias-depois-as-fotos.html (http://desmodromicamente.blogspot.com/2008/08/35-dias-depois-as-fotos.html)

are these hard or soft anozied?

OK, well I got the CRG's went to install them and ran into the 'no-tab' problem.  Also there is a good size 'gap' in the width of the lever and the resevoir mount.  I have emailed CRG twice to make sure that I got the right part number and so far no reply? Hopefully I just got the wrong part number because I don't like the look and feel of that large gap (about 1/8" or more, haven't put a caliper on it)

carman what part numbers did they send you?

I just installed a pair of CRG levers on my Rs so I can help you out.

0613-0166 for the clutch short black
0614-0133 for the brake short black

Thanks for checking

I think someone sent you the wrong levers dude.

I have:

613-0142-RB-522
614-0113-RB-517

:EDIT: Partsunlimited is listing the numbers you have as the numbers you SHOULD need....BUT they are listing mine as levers for a aprilia, BUT CRG is listing the numbers I gave you as ducati numbers.
You should have a part Number that starts with RB, and that will help you to figure it out, but I think if you got them form a dealer with a parts unlimited catalog that caused the issue, the numbers are wrong.

jesse,
Thanks I was hoping to hear from CRG with the correct part numbers but have yet to get a reply from them??  I've emailed my dealer since I'm overseas right now, hopefully I'll have the right levers at the house when I get back.  thanks again for the help, this forum is great/

Carman,
They SUCK at responding to emails. The only was I have ever gotten ahold of them in with a phone call

maybe I will email Pazzo and see how interested they are in my business, and return the CRG's  ;D

Yes good and driver who need exlusive make what [flash=http://shop.igt-parts.de/index.php?k=33&lang=eng200,200][/flash]

Jesse,
You got a pic of yours?  colors?

For those of you wondering just how similar they are... My bike came with a shortie CRG on the clutch, and regular length Pazzo on the brake. I decided I would rather have the brake short and clutch long so I switched the lever from the Pazzo to the clutch carrier of the CRG, and vise versa... Everything matches up exactly from an inner workings point of view. Only differences I noticed were the smoother edged on pieces of the CRG, and the CRG had some lithium grease under the adjuster where the Pazzo didn't. Mechanically so identical that parts are interchangeable.

Pazzo lever (on CRG clutch carrier)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2787036864_f03f8a3535_o.jpg)


CRG lever (on Pazzo brake carrier)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/2786180651_b4bf211a91_o.jpg)

Top side comparison
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3242/2786181095_8bc2bd16d8_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3148/2787037002_cea4c74140_o.jpg)

Rather than start a new thread I thought I'd just resurrect this one, I hope nobody minds.

I'm looking to replace the ugly OEM levers on my M1100S.  I was thinking about the Rizoma's (to match my current mirrors and potentially future grips), which nobody has posted on.  I know that the levers come in a few colours (I want black) but it looks like the adjustment knob is gold in all instances, does anybody have any input (or pictures) on this?

Unlike a lot of the pictures on this site, which I'm guessing are US bikes, my bike has silver metal coloured master cylinders (I'm in Australia).  Does anybody have any pictures of black levers (any brand) with silver master cylinders, and ideally a red frame?

Thanks

Hi
To 1100 is other and self as Rizoma is his Folding Lever with fine pith thread to fine adjust and exclusive to Ducati.
Rizoma and the system play in other league as the cheap system (can copy china)
(http://www.igt-parts.de/bilder/produkte/gross/10612.jpg)

And Original Italian Produce Stump and knob different colour selectable.

And to old pump clutch with pazzo now have more leer travel. Is not all Pump self little are impotent different.

Gruß
apduc

In answer to my own questions, with pics:
(http://sconnor1.smugmug.com/DucatiMonster/Monster-Mods/i-9RdRf4n/0/M/Levers-01-M.jpg)
(http://sconnor1.smugmug.com/DucatiMonster/Monster-Mods/i-PNtPN52/0/M/Levers-02-M.jpg)
(http://sconnor1.smugmug.com/DucatiMonster/Monster-Mods/i-b8nG2TC/0/M/Levers-03-M.jpg)

Hey guys i just got my 696 two days a ago and can't wait to get to work on it.

I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice on a quality tail kit. I was thinking about either Evotech or CW. Which one would you guys say is better. I'm also wondering if i will have holes left in either of these seeing as i'm getting an integrated tail light so i will remove the turn signals.

Thanks for the help guys.

I can only comment on the Ducati Performance kit. The quality is great.  You would have holes for the indicators, but they are small and could easily be covered.

I just had some Pazzo levers installed this past weekend and so far, I am liking them.  I haven't been able to ride much since having them installed as it has been raining a lot here  [thumbsdown]...