Ducati Monster Forum

What is a Duc.EE?

It weighs under 1 ounce! (ha ha)

[quasi parts introduction]

For those who have been following along the past six months, one of the problems with the new M1100 Monster, Hypermotard, Streetfighter and 848/1098/1198 is they have this clunky actuator motor connected to the ECU that use push/pull cables to open a butterfly valve in the factory installed exhaust system.  It works well.  But if you put an aftermarket exhaust on your Ducati, inevitably you have to leave the clunky Rube Goldberg actuator device installed.  It's ugly!  And if you remove it, you get CEL error messages on your gauge cluster.

So doing a bit of "Imagineering" and talking with Bernard/Vizi-Tec (LED Taillight fame) -- we both dived into the project in regards to reverse engineering, specification, design & engineering and then alpha/beta testing and then further testing across the varous Ducati's for the past six months. 

Thus a new type of Ducati aftermarket product for those who don't want to buy a DP ECU and yet want to remove this device -- our Ducati Exhaust Emulator which became nicknamed "Duc.EE".

Duc.EE is solidstate circuit design, software programmed, vibration resistant and weather proof.  Five year warranty.  Pretty easy to install by anyone in a few minutes. (it takes a lot longer to remove the factory actuator!)

For the Monster folks, it's only applicable to the new M1100 currently.   Price is $125 + shipping and only available through us here at MotoCreations.

(note: Bernard and I are working on various other electronic products upcoming -- we are only just getting started...)

(http://www.motocreations.com/electrical/Duc.EE.jpg)

(http://www.motocreations.com/dmf/MotoCreations.BannerAd.jpg)

Looks like an excellent solution to the exhaust servo bulk and I'll be having me one of em  [thumbsup]  .....but not until I see what the MonoBoom (and other reported motocreations "underseat" exhaust options) for m1100 look like.....  ;) [popcorn]

any hints?  :)

Any chance for something like this:

http://www.motogadget.de/en/m_unit.html (http://www.motogadget.de/en/m_unit.html)

Or is the "uber modder" market too limiting?

Light.... head..... HID..... LED......

to the above questions -- Yes  ;D

Yes -- I am thinking even beyond that scope as well.  Uber moders with a bit of techno geek in them will rejoice at what is coming. Remember it does take a long time to reverse engineer, create new electronics hardware, software program and then test-test-test the product.  Each new product will get more complex as it goes.

Remember I am tired of people not building the aftermarket parts and devices that I want. (and others want as well it appears!)  Thus why I am doing what I am now in conjunction with exhausts, electronics, other aftermarket parts and carbonfiber upcoming.

But first we need to sell some Duc.EE's! (to pay for more R&D) Big thing is to make people aware that such a product as the Duc.EE exists in the giant marketplace of the Ducati aftermarket.  All help is appreciated in getting the word out to the Hypermotard, Streetfighter and 848/1098/1198 folks in the world.  Anytime you put an aftermarket exhaust (ours or anyones) on your new Ducati, you get stuck with the Rube Goldberg gizmo beneath the seat that does nothing then waste space & weight.  Also some of the M1100 folks have learned the Sargeant/Corbin seats don't have space provisions for the actuator assembly -- so their new seats won't fit.

Next up is another product that went "alpha" today.  Thus going to do some testing with it for a few weeks.  Then will design/build a "beta" version to do more testing and with the "test crew".  Then we will do the final design for production and test again before releasing.

As someone once said "the future is always looking brighter..."  ;)

All I can say is, it's a good thing we have cigarette packs and bread boxes. The two things by which all others are measured
 

Huzzah! I played around a bit with this sort of stuff earlier last year (fun with PIC controllers and MOSFETS) but ultimately I gave up since I have two kids an no free time. Glad to see someone is filling this market.


Are you talking English or metric breadboxes/cigarettes?  ;D

Duc.EE was our first project.  Thanks to all who have helped see this project come to life.  [clap]

As Mark already mentioned, we have a second "cooler" project entering Beta phase. Alpha passed bench tests with flying colors. Due to non-disclosure i can't say more; Else Mark's lawyer will use the big stick on me :P  But what i can say is that it is exhaust system specific. Something that will set a new standard.


... Yes! and then some!! List of integrated options too long to list. The schematic is 100% captured. Expected fabrication on-hand in ~2-3wks + 2wks code development. Only 3 units will be produce at this time. All spoken for. Reason being as mentioned. Limited market. If demand is there, more will be produce. This mod is not for the faint hearted. Hint = active RFid/remote start.

 [coffee]

are you waiting for the Duc.EE answer. it's an ad at the top sometime now.

oh no, wanting to hear if there arr any updates about these mystery products  ;D

I wish I had a SF so I had a reason to need the Duc.EE. :-\ 

I installed a Duc.EE a couple of weeks ago on my M1100.  I bought a 696 mid-pipe off ebay (no valve on the 696), replaced my mid-pipe with it, plugged in the Duc.EE and fired it up.  No codes and now the 1100 sounds like it should at idle.  And now I don't have to look at the valve in the pipe; much cleaner look.

Thanks for a great product!  [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Me too, much neater than the clumsy stock flapper-gate  8).

 [popcorn]

One Duc.XXX product entered engineering again after ALPHA design and minor testing. (basic device worked but we couldn't get the display waterproof without being $$$)  Thus we de-coupled the LED display (for tuning purposes) and the device itself -- and will test upcoming in a BETA iteration.  Trick is designing the product with a price point of $125 and yet retain the quality control standards we are adamant to maintain.

Per Duc.EE?  Thanks everyone for the positive comments!  Bernard and I have been surprised by the response via the International Ducatista community in accepting so far.  Two exhaust vendors currently bundle their systems as well.  The StreetFighter community loves them as by removing the servo motor (beneath the seat), it allows room for a PCIII then. (there is no room on a SF to hide anything!)  The interesting group to acquire Duc.EE's are the Microtech(K?) ECU customers -- you get an EXVL message if the servo motor is disconnected when using their aftermarket ECU.  And I'm positive we (unfortunately) tripled the price of used 696 mid-pipe (takeoffs) to the m1100 guys to make their exhaust systems breath better.

Upcoming for the popcorn guys?  As mentioned before, the future will definitely be brighter...

Hmmmm.... I pretty sure there's a clue HIDden in that comment..... although I guess I could be misLED  ;)

Okay, for those of us that don't have the 696 Inter pipe, how do I ensure the flapper is in the open position, what is its default position without power, open or closed?

Thanks.

Okay, after some research, this what I found. The flapper is always open(held open by spring) until start up then it closes to lower sound level up to a certain RPM. Above that RPM, it opens and stays open until the engine RPM goes below that RPM. So, for those looking to remove the Flapper motor and cables, remove the flapper motor and cables, install the DUC.EE and done! Saved weight and more space under the seat! There is no loss of low end power as with the Yamaha EXUP valve if this valve disabled.

www.ducati.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7089 (http://)

Not quite right.  The only time your flapper-gate flaps....... is on start-up, when it chirps closed/open just to ensure it remains functioning and doesnt bind up from lack of use.  The only other circumstance it flaps is at 3000rpm (I think its 3000rpm, I forget the exact number now... could be 3500....) in neutral  - for noise testing purposes.   Its there just to defeat the noise test in certain jurisdictions.

When you are riding it NEVER flaps.

So the "default" is "open".  If you removed the servo motor and cable, the flapper gate remains in the "open" position.

Unger, absolutely right, I just re-read the link. [thumbsup] DUC.EE is in, flapper motor and cable out!! No CEL light,, I will give a ride report, when I go riding.

Observations after ride sans Flapper drive motor and cables. I don't know if it is just me, it feels smoother, before there was always a delay for RPM to go down when shifting at lower speeds. Now, as soon as you back off the throttle, the RPM goes right away and you sneak in that next cog! Less feeling of wanting to stall at takeoffs!! Those are my biggest observations.

Its just you  :).

How could it actually be any different at all?  The flapper gate itself remains in situ and whilst you ride it flaps no more or less than it ever did.  What you saved was almost half a kilo in excess baggage - but whilst riding that is the one and only difference. 

Did you go inside the stock Y-Junction and remove the actual butterfly valve? Or is it physically still in there?(In the open position of course)
Just wondering how people are doing this mod. For the ones who don't have a spare M696 Y-Junction that is.

The Flapper is still inside the pipe, with out the motor, it is default open and held open be spring pressure. I'm still looking for 696 Y-junction, clean up the look.

Check ebay often.  I found a guy trying to sell his stock 696 cans and mid pipe.  I sent him a message about getting only the mid pipe if his entire posting didn't sell (he only had about 3 days left).  Three days later he got back to me and I picked up the midpipe rather cheaply.

Thanks D!! Will keep an eye out! [moto] This is for Mark and Bernard, the brake flasher until, I get questions on it from a few riders out this way! I love knowing I can be seen!

To open this thread up again...with what is probably a very stupid question...I have the Duc.EE (not yet installed), and I still have the stock exhaust on my 1100S (and will likely leave it that way for this year I'd say)...what do I get out of putting the Duc.EE now while keeping the stock exhaust?  Anything really?  Is it worth my time?  Or should I just wait until I can afford the aftermarket exhaust and then I would install it then?

Thanks,
Mike B

I am not sure, but i think the default position is open. if so, if you unhook the servo motor you'll have an open exhaust. and you'll lose the pounds of the servo motor.
also, you can pick up a 696 mid pipe in the meantime off ebay.

^^ What Raux said is exactly correct.