I came across these on youtube and thought they were really good.
I have a lot of respect for long range shooters. These are a good watch as you get a great overview of the history of the sniper.
USMC Scout Snipers part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djlEv0oTrF8#normal)
USMC Scout Snipers part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gryZSOTqnc4#normal)
USMC Scout Snipers part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwcpBzuecYM#normal)
USMC Scout Snipers part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkqP0hInMp4#normal)
USMC Scout Snipers part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srtqRz5D8Zo#normal)
Just finished sponsoring a Marine Sniper at work through the Wounded Warrior program. He had his ankle and foot messed up pretty badly while out at RC West, in Afghanistan. Kid was super sharp; it was great being able to swap stories from our different "sides" of the stick.
Im too civilian to get your codewords, but you get a [thumbsup] anyhow
:)
I've read two of the books mentioned in this article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock)
The guy was unreal [thumbsup]
Before shipping to boot camp, my recruiter took a bunch of us DEPers from Long Island down to Staten Island to tour the ships during fleet week. One of those ships was the LPD-17 USS San Antonio, the flagship of its class of Gator Freighter.
The tour consisted of a series of stops, each of which hosted some of the toys that the embarked Marines used to wage war with some poor duty section schlub standing by to answer questions. First stop was a 155 howitzer, second stop was a turret-equipped deuce-and-a-half, etc, etc. The most memorable stop, to me, was as you walk up a loading ramp and turn the corner around a bulkhead, you're greeted by an assortment of small arms laid out on floor mats atop the non-skid. Among other goodies (automatic 40mm grenade launcher, tripod-mounted M2) there was a scoped M-16 with silencer and flip-up iron sights, an M-40A3 bolt-action rifle, and a Barrett M82-A1, all on bipods. Some random LCPL was giving the presentation for this section of the tour, but standing kinda off to the side was this small, wiry, heavily tattooed guy wearing chewed up, old school "woodland" trousers, a green t-shirt, and a ghillie suit bottom held up by suspenders.
LCPL So'n'so tells the group "Go ahead, pick em up, pull the trigger, see what they're like. These are the tools we use." While the housewives and kids in the group were pawing all over the standard-sized rifles, I took advantage of the opportunity and, after getting the nod from the guy in the woodlands, dropped to the prone behind the Barrett. After watching a series of women and children put the stock of his rifle over their shoulder so that they could get their eye RIGHT UP TO the ocular lens on either of his other rifles, his first words to me were "You've shot before, haven't you?"
I sat there for a good half hour and talked equipment with the guy. My recruiter finally pulled me away so as not to split the group of us. His biggest pregnant dog: "I hate working with the SEALs. They get all the cool toys."
The thing that I remember most about that, tho, is that the Barrett was painted in desert camo colors, but along the right side of the mag well, written in black Sharpie, was a singe word: "Jessica."
Got the MOS, trained the job for a year. Now I teach it to SOF.10yrs.
Cool videos!
(http://images2.cafepress.com/product/246760352v1_480x480_Front_Color-MilitaryGreen.jpg)
I knew a girl who's dad was a marine sharpshooter. He shot through a dime at (I think) 600 yards. His daughter wore it as a necklace charm. That's one way to keep douchebags from dating your daughter.
I call bullshit on that, unless he used drill press.
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 21, 2010, 01:30:12 PM
I call bullshit on that, unless he used drill press.
Yea, that's what I was thinking. A dime is pretty flipping small. Not saying that he could not hit it, but there really wouldn't be much left of it if he did, and it definitely would not be in any condition to be able to wear as a pendant.
Crosshairs st that distance would complety cover the coin. You couldn't even see it.
Like you know anything about this stuff. [cheeky]
posers [roll]
I saw a movie once. :D
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posers [roll]
where is that address?
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 21, 2010, 02:04:54 PM
Crosshairs st that distance would complety cover the coin. You couldn't even see it.
He had open sights :P
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 21, 2010, 01:30:12 PM
I call bullshit on that, unless he used drill press.
If you check out the article I linked, it mentions 3 shots of over 2,500yds. 8" at 2,500...0.5" at 600....all incredible shots. So I'm going to say on the right day, with the right rifle, and the right shooter possible not likely but possible.
I remember shooting a friends bull barreled .243 target rifle and put 3 rounds into a postage stamp at 200yds.
What article? Nevermind, just saw the link.
And fyi: as much as I like to give mr headhunter shit, he does know a thing or two about this.
And yes, the White Feather was an amazing marksman but was also the exception, and FAR from the rule.
Huge diff between 2 and 600 yds
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 21, 2010, 02:51:11 PM
Huge diff between 2 and 600 yds
What caliber are the snipers using?
General purpose "sniping" rifles are .308, or 7.62x51mm. There are quite a few other more specialized weapons out there though. You just have to grab the right tool for the particular job.
Quote from: DRKWNG on February 21, 2010, 02:58:37 PM
General purpose "sniping" rifles are .308, or 7.62x51mm. There are quite a few other more specialized weapons out there though. You just have to grab the right tool for the particular job.
using the diameter of the projectile and the diameter of the dime...
I'm with kopf...
bullshit. ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 21, 2010, 02:51:11 PM
Huge diff between 2 and 600 yds
Also a huge difference between a shooter who goes to the range every day except Sunday with a rifle custom fitted for him/her vs. someone who gets to the range once or twice a month shooting a borrowed rifle.
Well bring your shit down. I'll supply the ammo, 300 win mag, 308, 338 lapua, Sr 25, and the dim.
I know people who can not hit the toilet standing up peeing from two feet. [laugh]
A dime from 600 yards ..............no way.
Next time boys put the seat up, please! [thumbsup]
BGB
Tape 15-20 dimes around a bullseye, maybe you'll hit one just right after a few hours of shooting.....
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 21, 2010, 03:26:23 PM
Sr 25
mmmmm... dat sure is nice. [thumbsup]
Quote from: sno_duc on February 21, 2010, 03:14:17 PM
Also a huge difference between a shooter who goes to the range every day except Sunday with a rifle custom fitted for him/her vs. someone who gets to the range once or twice a month shooting a borrowed rifle.
[roll] [popcorn]
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00101/F_200611_november08_101577a.jpg (http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00101/F_200611_november08_101577a.jpg)
UK Royal Marine Sniper on hood of 110
Quote from: badgalbetty on February 21, 2010, 04:05:47 PM
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00101/F_200611_november08_101577a.jpg (http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00101/F_200611_november08_101577a.jpg)
UK Royal Marine Sniper on hood of 110
I could almost swear that the guy on the 240 is a friend of mine's brother. He has been with the Royal Marine Commandos for about four years now...
That UK Marine looks like he's using an Accuracy International rifle. Anyone know for sure? I like the odds using the two machine guns better. [laugh]
http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/AW.html (http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/AW.html)
That is the standard sniper rifle from the UK Ministry of Defence.
That makes sense that Tac Pro is the biggest US distributor of AI rifles since Bill Davison is ex-Royal Marines and British Special Forces. He's a good guy and runs a kickass academy. He runs great 3-gun and long range rifle competitions. All sh#t I'm no good at but still enjoy. [thumbsup]
God bless everyone in harms way regardless of country and uniform. [clap]
I used a piece of shit Dragunov 7.62 x 54 during the Angolan war, couldn`t hit a dime at 100 yards [thumbsup]
I'll see if the girl can take a pic, because we all know that on the internet pics are currency. It's moon shaped now and the edges have been filed off. I don't know how many shots it took before he got this, but his daughter does wear the "pendant". It's possible that the girl who showed me the item meant 600 ft, but even that would be beyond most of our skill levels. even at 6 feet, a lot of us couldn't do that.
But it is worth considering that this wasn't some guy at a range, but someone highly trained to shoot incredibly accurately at long distances with optimum weaponry.
Quote from: redxblack on February 22, 2010, 06:45:22 AM
I don't know how many shots it took before he got this, but his daughter does wear the "pendant".
That was my thought as well -- one shot, one dime, a round that will kill reliably out past 500 yards? Yeah, I'd be way past skeptical, too. But an afternoon at the range, $5 worth of dimes, choice of rounds... and a highly-trained marksman? I've got a 15 year old daughter, and this is starting to sound like a decent investment, even for someone like me who's not a highly-trained marksman.
Quote from: triangleforge on February 22, 2010, 07:10:26 AM
That was my thought as well -- one shot, one dime, a round that will kill reliably out past 500 yards? Yeah, I'd be way past skeptical, too. But an afternoon at the range, $5 worth of dimes, choice of rounds... and a highly-trained marksman? I've got a 15 year old daughter, and this is starting to sound like a decent investment, even for someone like me who's not a highly-trained marksman.
Ive got a, just about 4 year old daughter and its a worthwhile investment! Luckily she has an older and same aged brother to keep the suitors in check.
I dread the teens.
Start cleaning all your firearms on the porch so they have to walk by you to pick her up ;D
Quote from: badgalbetty on February 21, 2010, 03:38:50 PM
I know people who can not hit the toilet standing up peeing from two feet. [laugh]
Sorry. [cheeky]
Me, I happen to be looking for a .50 sniper rifle to round out the gun cabinet...
it took me a while to realize why i was always better with long barreled guns. [laugh]
i would actually like to get a rifle for long distance target shooting. do you think it would be odd to carry that on my back as i ride to the range?
You could always use a back pack style sling, like they use in the biathalon.
I will be teaching s sniper course next month. And will put this all to rest.
Do we have any 8541's or SOTIC level 1's here?
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 22, 2010, 08:31:32 PM
I will be teaching s sniper course next month. And will put this all to rest.
Put what to rest? Hitting a dime at 600?
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 22, 2010, 08:31:32 PM
I will be teaching s sniper course next month. And will put this all to rest.
do you have to bring your own gun ro are they provided? ;D
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 22, 2010, 09:33:37 PM
Do we have any 8541's or SOTIC level 1's here?
ohh wait...that might make it difficult for me to get in there. :-[
Quote from: kopfjäger on February 22, 2010, 09:33:37 PM
Do we have any 8541's or SOTIC level 1's here?
Sort of. I was qualled as a counter-sniper (the term "sniper" is not pc enough for air force standards) when I was going through the CCT pipe line, way back in the day.
Quote from: KnightofNi on February 22, 2010, 06:35:29 PM
it took me a while to realize why i was always better with long barreled guns. [laugh]
i would actually like to get a rifle for long distance target shooting. do you think it would be odd to carry that on my back as i ride to the range?
Or you could add a fork-mounted scabbard, like the WWII Harleys.
(http://www.jockeyjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/01.jpg)
Quote from: triangleforge on February 23, 2010, 05:32:23 AM
Or you could add a fork-mounted scabbard, like the WWII Harleys.
(http://www.jockeyjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/01.jpg)
that could work!
i think i would have to have that for the XR and the duc, but the triumph seems like it needs to have it mounted off the rear so the pillion can turn around and shoot.
dime at 100 yards, I could do with my HMR on a really calm day.. it would probably take about 20 rounds but I'd hit it.
at 200 yards I couldn't afford a scope that could see that, nor a rifle that could shoot that well (whats that like .2MOA at 200?)
at 600 yards, very much impossible, unless it was a laser rifle with hubble sitting on top.
In the mid 90's Sharon and I competed in the USPSA limited nationals in Fredricksburg VA. One evening after shooting we went to Applebees IIRC for dinner. The booth next to ours was taken by the US Army shooting team ( their shirts make it really obvious), naturally we started BSing. When the team is not at matches their day goes something like this: morning run, breakfast, off to the range to shoot a 1,000 rds or so, gym for weight training, lunch, back to the range for another 1,000 rds, and unlike us mere mortals reloading and gun maintenance is taken care of by the armorier. 6 days a week.
If the long range marksman in question had a simular routine and had been doing a lot of 600yd work in the prevous couple of weeks and the wind / atmospheric conditions were the same as he had seen recently and he taped the dime to the center of the bulls eye. Then it is possible that he hit a dime at 600, not likely, but possible.
(http://www.6mmbr.com/i/Reader%20Photos/JamesTN_WRgroupx365.jpg)
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek030.html (http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek030.html)
That's the target from the 2004 IBS 600 yd record.
Where do we want to tape that dime? ;D
The ragged hole that three rds made would be a likely spot if the wind doesn't change.
Quote from: sno_duc on February 23, 2010, 12:22:54 PM
The ragged hole that three rds made would be a likely spot if the wind doesn't change.
Pretty sure that's 2-2-1.
It was a 5 rd group.
Quote from: Monsterlover on February 23, 2010, 02:51:33 AM
Put what to rest? Hitting a dime at 600?
like I said before, the crosshairs at 600 would completly cover the dim. You couldn't even see it A head shot is hard enoug. Now factor in a 5-10mph full value wind
You get 10 square inches of surface area for every dollar in dimes. It wouldn't cost you much at all to cover that entire target with dimes. Fire 5x and have 5 holes in dimes. There. Was that so hard.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 23, 2010, 11:20:34 AM
(http://www.6mmbr.com/i/Reader%20Photos/JamesTN_WRgroupx365.jpg)
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek030.html (http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek030.html)
That's the target from the 2004 IBS 600 yd record.
Where do we want to tape that dime? ;D
The link says that's five shots in 1.174".
Does that mean all five shots fit in a circle of that diameter?
So that blue circle is ~1.25" diameter?
Quote from: Speeddog on February 23, 2010, 02:51:56 PM
The link says that's five shots in 1.174".
Does that mean all five shots fit in a circle of that diameter?
So that blue circle is ~1.25" diameter?
The smaller blue circle within the white square? The one around the "X"?
Yes, that would be about right.
Quote from: ducpainter on February 23, 2010, 12:23:54 PM
Pretty sure that's 2-2-1.
It was a 5 rd group.
damn good shooting but, its not a military .308, its a custom hand loaded and hand prepared round threw a custom rifle that probably only sees the light of day if the wind is below 1 mph and humidity is in the best range possible. he has a device to ultrasound his bullets to make sure the jackets are all perfect, he weighs each load to exact, and I mean EXACT load, he's dialed the extreme spread to 7fps :o. I don't think there is anything he could do to get more accuracy out of the rifle. I don't think a military spec'd rifle is any where near that level or accuracy. it's just not needed.
Quote from: acalles on February 23, 2010, 03:14:03 PM
damn good shooting but, its not a military .308, its a custom hand loaded and hand prepared round threw a custom rifle that probably only sees the light of day if the wind is below 1 mph and humidity is in the best range possible. he has a device to ultrasound his bullets to make sure the jackets are all perfect, he weighs each load to exact, and I mean EXACT load, he's dialed the extreme spread to 7fps :o. I don't think there is anything he could do to get more accuracy out of the rifle. I don't think a military spec'd rifle is any where near that level or accuracy. it's just not needed.
That is my point.
Quote from: acalles on February 23, 2010, 03:14:03 PM
damn good shooting but, its not a military .308, its a custom hand loaded and hand prepared round threw a custom rifle that probably only sees the light of day if the wind is below 1 mph and humidity is in the best range possible. he has a device to ultrasound his bullets to make sure the jackets are all perfect, he weighs each load to exact, and I mean EXACT load, he's dialed the extreme spread to 7fps :o. I don't think there is anything he could do to get more accuracy out of the rifle. I don't think a military spec'd rifle is any where near that level or accuracy. it's just not needed.
I thought we were talking about 'snipers'. They don't use off the shelf mil-spec rifles, their rifle are hand worked bolt actions, see M24.
And they dont use M59 / M80 ball, more like M118LR / M852 in 7.62x51 or M1 in .30-06
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x51mm_NATO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x51mm_NATO)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M24_Sniper_Weapon_Systemhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M24_Sniper_Weapon_System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M24_Sniper_Weapon_Systemhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M24_Sniper_Weapon_System)
I've got a good friend that used to shoot benchrest rifles, you missed reaming the primer hole, CCing each case for powder cap, reaming the neck, weighing each empty case, and checking the round-out in V-blocks of each finished round. About 1 out of a hundred pieces of brass make the cut.
like I said earlier, i'd just be happy if you would not hit the seat! [laugh]
Quote from: badgalbetty on February 23, 2010, 04:45:50 PM
like I said earlier, i'd just be happy if you would not hit the seat! [laugh]
Paint a bulls-eye in the bowl and we'll talk.
Benchrest vs real world/long range/sniper/combat shooting are not even on the same planet. Not that I have done either one or I am good at long range shooting, it just isn't the same thing. Just basic shooting stuff. Their paths will never cross. At least that's my uneducated opinion.
On a good day I could at least hit the bulls eye in the toilet bowl! [laugh] Maybe...
Quote from: acalles on February 23, 2010, 06:37:45 AM
dime at 100 yards, I could do with my HMR on a really calm day.. it would probably take about 20 rounds but I'd hit it.
at 200 yards I couldn't afford a scope that could see that, nor a rifle that could shoot that well (whats that like .2MOA at 200?)
at 600 yards, very much impossible, unless it was a laser rifle with hubble sitting on top.
she must have meant 600 ft. It's a sweet story nonetheless.
curious I went out to a shooting site and they had a thread on a gentleman trying to get better at long distance shooting.
one poster stated "10 shots into 3 inches at 600 is pretty good. It takes a full benchrest setup to beat that."
so you could get about 400 dimes in a 3 in2 square. shoot 10 times you would have 10 dimes mol with at least some part hit by the bullet.
I have no idea how large the bullet is or whether it would obliterate the dime. But I guess that if I wanted that particular souvenir I might be willing to invest a couple of bucks to see if I could acheive it. ( you can return any dime not destroyed for its full value ). I'm guessing the loads cost more than 10 cents apeice.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1641487&page=1 (http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1641487&page=1)
Quote from: MrIncredible on February 23, 2010, 04:52:07 PM
Paint a bulls-eye in the bowl and we'll talk.
Yeah.....that's not gonna make a real big difference, I'm afraid.
I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters. ;D
From 600 yds?
Modern Snipers on Mil channel. No dime shots at 600 yfs
This guy could hit it.
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/hayha.html (http://www.badassoftheweek.com/hayha.html)
Holy shit! That's one badass Finn. [thumbsup] Don't f#@k with someone's home country, it tends to piss the locals off.
I was telling someone about Simo Häyhä and they didn't believe such a person existed.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Simo_hayha_second_lieutenant_1940.png)
Badass!
Quote from: redxblack on February 26, 2010, 07:03:35 AM
This guy could hit it.
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/hayha.html (http://www.badassoftheweek.com/hayha.html)
I can't belive the person that wrote that article is 29 years old. I reads like a 15 year old wrote it... funny none the less
it read like an write-up in cracked magazine. Surprisingly, it's still pretty much factually accurate (and funny).