Anyone got one? I searched and got nothing. I am thinking of making a switch but am not convinced on the AT&Tcoverage.
So what do you think of your iPhone?
Thanks
Jim
There was a thread about this a few weeks back, the phone's great but the coverage is dependent on where you live
Love the Iphone but hate AT&T.
The coverage is fine but the network sucks. I get a lot of dropped calls. I think that is mostly due to being in San Francisco. AT&T practically admits their network is overwhelmed here.
Don't forget about the major design defect on the phone that if you hold it a certain way, it absolutely kills the connection to a cell tower.
Saw something about it on the Today show this morning. Apple kind of admits the issue, I think.
That would be my number one reason never to own or even try one. That'd annoy the shit out of me, but if you wear a bluetooth all the time, I guess that wouldn't be much of an issue.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 05, 2010, 09:42:23 AM
Don't forget about the major design defect on the phone that if you hold it a certain way, it absolutely kills the connection to a cell tower.
Saw something about it on the Today show this morning. Apple kind of admits the issue, I think.
That would be my number one reason never to own or even try one. That'd annoy the shit out of me, but if you wear a bluetooth all the time, I guess that wouldn't be much of an issue.
I have one and even at one bar the phone has a better signal then a full set on a 3gs.. Dont bash unless you actually have one..
I have tested it and have no problems at all.. just my 2 cent.
With the new firmware coming up they will upgrade the code and will help out the frequency issues..
M
I saw that they were already addressing the issue of how you hold it.
It looks like a nice Phone and all and it does do a lot of cool things.
I guess it all boils down to ATT.
I need to see how it is here in NY I guess.
Thanks all.
J
Quote from: Got Duc on July 05, 2010, 10:57:45 AM
I need to see how it is here in NY I guess.
I was in Manhattan in November with a Blackberry Bold 9000 on AT&T and the coverage was absolutely horrendous.
I know after that, they shut the network down for a day to do some upgrades, so they probably installed more towers or switches/whatever the phones connect through.
Quote from: Plumbers Crack on July 05, 2010, 09:59:22 AM
I have one and even at one bar the phone has a better signal then a full set on a 3gs.. Dont bash unless you actually have one..
I have tested it and have no problems at all.. just my 2 cent.
With the new firmware coming up they will upgrade the code and will help out the frequency issues..
M
A friend has one and that problem is very obvious on it.
Guess he needs to learn to hold it better or it could be how good the service is in his area of town. He could only be on an EDGE network and not a full 3g. It happens a lot around here.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 05, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
Guess he needs to learn to hold it better or it could be how good the service is in his area of town. He could only be on an EDGE network and not a full 3g. It happens a lot around here.
If I'm gonna spend upwards of $400 on a cell phone I shouldn't have to "learn" how to hold it.
Quote from: Plumbers Crack on July 05, 2010, 09:59:22 AM
With the new firmware coming up they will upgrade the code and will help out the frequency issues..
M
The last article I read about the iPhone 4 said there isn't a "code" when it comes to the signal/frequency issue it just depends on how strong the actual signal coming from the antenna is. Apple actually came out and said that the sudden drop in cell signal was a mistake on their part and that the phone was reading a higher signal than it actually had and that's what the new firmware is supposed to fix.
AT&T just doesn't have the coverage that Verizon has. Unfortunately Verizon still opperates on CDMA and not GSM which is part of the overall problem with having an iPhone on Verizon.
Every article you read says the same thing, the iPhone is a great phone that is amazing at everything except making a phone call. Remember the iPhone has been out since 2007 and it's still behind on a number of features that other phones offer It's only a matter of time before another phone maker steps up.
This was a interesting article. It sure goes against what Verizon is telling everyone and or customers own experiences
http://www.pcworld.com/article/189592/atandt_roars_back_in_pcworlds_second_3g_wireless_performance_test.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/189592/atandt_roars_back_in_pcworlds_second_3g_wireless_performance_test.html)
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I myself do not have the bar issue on my Iphone 4. I believe it does exist to a certain extent. I have mixed feelings about the issue. I believe apple should give a free bumper away to everyone if its truly widespread issue but on the other hand every phone I ever buy I put a case on it anyways which eliminates the issue all together.
FYI my downloads speeds in Brentwood was 2.29mbps, San Jose was 1.41 mbps and Fremont was 3.01 mbps. I have heard SF is by far the worst service so I imagine it will still suck in the city.
One other note. this Iphone 4 has not dropped a call on me yet and I have been able to make calls in places that the 3GS would either not get a signal or constantly drop so I am not sure if its complete luck or this phone is actually better.
Oh and I am not a apple Fanboy. I do own Ipad I thoroughly enjoy but my PC Laptop is going to be with me for a long time to come =)
Quote from: ROBsS4R on July 06, 2010, 07:32:05 PM
This was a interesting article. It sure goes against what Verizon is telling everyone and or customers own experiences
http://www.pcworld.com/article/189592/atandt_roars_back_in_pcworlds_second_3g_wireless_performance_test.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/189592/atandt_roars_back_in_pcworlds_second_3g_wireless_performance_test.html)
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I myself do not have the bar issue on my Iphone 4. I believe it does exist to a certain extent. I have mixed feelings about the issue. I believe apple should give a free bumper away to everyone if its truly widespread issue but on the other hand every phone I ever buy I put a case on it anyways which eliminates the issue all together.
FYI my downloads speeds in Brentwood was 2.29mbps, San Jose was 1.41 mbps and Fremont was 3.01 mbps. I have heard SF is by far the worst service so I imagine it will still suck in the city.
One other note. this Iphone 4 has not dropped a call on me yet and I have been able to make calls in places that the 3GS would either not get a signal or constantly drop so I am not sure if its complete luck or this phone is actually better.
Oh and I am not a apple Fanboy. I do own Ipad I thoroughly enjoy but my PC Laptop is going to be with me for a long time to come =)
Even if the download speeds are greater than any other carrier the iPhone, as well as quite a number of other phones on AT&T, still lack one basic thing. Making a phone call.
Most people are complaining about the call quality, not the download speed. I want an iPhone but I don't want to have to buy a second phone just to make calls.
I'm from NYC and live in LA now and every single one of my friends that have iPhones say the call quality sucks, I could understand that if either of these two cities were in the middle of nowhere but they are two of the biggest cities in the world. You would think the call quality would be better.
Just talked to a buddy that has one (3g)
He said the phone itself is awesome.
I asked him about dropped calls and his response to me was do you drop calls with your nextel?
I do.
I guess it I will have to try one and see ;D
On another note the new Droid is coming out this month as well.
My iphone4 is coming today.
I hope I can make phone calls and of course cruise the DMF.
Quote from: duc750 on July 05, 2010, 02:25:52 PM
If I'm gonna spend upwards of $400 on a cell phone I shouldn't have to "learn" how to hold it.
That was pretty much my point
That article about download speeds on AT&T is funny.
I've been in a lot of major cities with an AT&T Phone and Air Card (Manhattan, Chicago, San Fran, Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, St Paul / Minneapolis) and I have never been impressed with my download speeds off an Air Card.
I wonder if the technology an Air Card uses is different then data on a phone?
I've never paid attention to speed on my phone as it is my work one and it retrieves my emails just fine
Equipment:
Blackberry Bold 9700
USB Velocity Air Card (newest "technology" according to my account rep)
but this isn't a thread about network coverage.
Back to the I-Phone..........
I'll stick to the 3GS for a while, like until it dies.
I don't think anyone complains about the 3G speed, they complain about the coverage. Verizon has a strangle hold mostly on the NE. That's where you will find the best Verizon coverage. AT&T's best coverage would be more in the south, i.e. Dallas, Atlanta, Florida, and in many places in the west coast like Seattle mostly because AT&T they use the same towers as SBC (PacBell). From what I understand, San Fran has horrid cell coverage across the board.
I'll give you one guess where Sprint's best coverage is. You guessed it, the Mid West. If all companies shared the same phones I would always suggest looking at where they are historically stronger and cheaper. Verizon is the most expensive down in Florida, but competetive up in the NE. But since they don't share technology, I still stay away from CDMA, mostly because I can't simply switch my SIM card if I have an issue with the phone.
As to dropped calls, I think I might have had 1 dropped call all of last year. Why you ask... mostly because Florida is so freaking flat that they can stick a cell tower just about anywhere and it covers a huge area. I will say that Sprint was the last cell company that I had issues with dropped calls, both Verizon and AT&T have had no issues.
So now we go to the phone. The iPhone 4 is pretty much a first gen version, so it will have many issues. I'm waiting for someone to specify exactly what feature the iPhone can't handle that another phone does. I'll give you this, the Blackberry is by far the industry leader when it comes with Outlook integration. If I was a business owner and provided phones, there is no question I would be handing out BB's. For personal use, iPhone or Droid phone. The Droid is slowly gaining apps and they're making strides with making it slick. This will be the battle to watch for years to come. BB unfortunately is dying because they've been too slow to react. If Droid can get BB's Outlook integration, it will definitely make this race very interesting.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 04:50:03 AM
If Droid can get BB's Outlook integration, it will definitely make this race very interesting.
Droid's can't handle Active Synch?
For now. Apple will never truly integrate with Outlook and Windows Mobile is a joke. The only reason people still buy BB is phone Outlook. Once another phone does that better, BB is done. A smart iPhone competitor whole try to find a way to make a deal with Microsoft.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 04:58:51 AM
For now. Apple will never truly integrate with Outlook and Windows Mobile is a joke. The only reason people still buy BB is phone Outlook. Once another phone does that better, BB is done. A smart iPhone competitor whole try to find a way to make a deal with Microsoft.
The problem with RIM is that if your company has Blackberry's...........you need RIM servers or contract your email through a third party with those servers
or
did something change on their email delivery?
Don't forget too you have to pay for CAL's
You have to develop a better system than RIM, but a company that's willing to dump money into it, will probably grab the market share that RIM has cornered.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 05:31:33 AM
You have to develop a better system than RIM, but a company that's willing to dump money into it, will probably grab the market share that RIM has cornered.
I love my Blackberry's!
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 04:58:51 AM
For now. Apple will never truly integrate with Outlook and Windows Mobile is a joke. The only reason people still buy BB is phone Outlook. Once another phone does that better, BB is done. A smart iPhone competitor whole try to find a way to make a deal with Microsoft.
i'm not sure what you mean here...
iphones use (microsoft's) activesync to communicate directly with exchange (outlook).
I just got an iPhone 3GS 2 months ago for work. I previously had Verizon.....there are a lot of rural areas near me and I've always had coverage when my friends with other carriers did not. AT&T coverage in these rural areas is poor, but when I have 3G coverage, I love my phone.
Played with my friend's iPhone 4 a few nights ago at dinner-faster/more responsive than my 3gs, but didn't really get to check out reading with the new screen. Pretty sure I won't be getting one for a couple of years-and it'll probably be a Verizon one (it will be that long before I get a new one).
Quote from: derby on July 07, 2010, 05:54:56 AM
i'm not sure what you mean here...
iphones use (microsoft's) activesync to communicate directly with exchange (outlook).
Not to the level that RIM is integrated and there are security concerns. Why do you think AT&T does not allow their employees to sync their iPhones with their work email.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 07, 2010, 05:37:12 AM
I love my Blackberry's!
I loved my BB at first and then hated the way that I became a slave to it.
I would love to see the iPhone on a 4G network. I will never again go with Verizon simply because if I sneezed, they would extend my contract for another 2 years and their customer service was worst that AT&T which is shocking considering how horrid AT&T's service is.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 06:44:00 AM
I loved my BB at first and then hated the way that I became a slave to it.
I hear you on that.
I have become a major slave to mine, especially on vacation.
It started to bother my wife and I was sick of answering it.
so when we go to Costa Rica in 10 days, I am going to barely touch the make the beast with two backser.
I used to sleep with it on my chest. More than once the wife grabbed it to toss out the window.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 07:25:41 AM
I used to sleep with it on my chest. More than once the wife grabbed it to toss out the window.
Mine is on my nightstand.
I admit, I have checked it in the middle of the night and replied to emails.
remember, I work for a british company, so by 2-3am is when my first lot of emails start pouring in.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 06:44:00 AM
Not to the level that RIM is integrated and there are security concerns. Why do you think AT&T does not allow their employees to sync their iPhones with their work email.
i'm not sure what you do for a living, but this is actually part of my job.
blackberry sync: blackberry enterprise server polls exchange mailbox servers and then sends emails outside the local network to rim's servers and then to your wireless provider and on to your handheld device.
microsoft activesync: handheld device communicates directly with exchange server.
i've mentioned this before, but the microsoft solution
should be inherently more secure. the possible (not iphone-specific) weak point is on-device security or the security of any offline device backups.
(i should add that we're 99% blackberry/bes)
Carlos works for AT&T Mobility...............
Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 07, 2010, 09:07:50 AM
Carlos works for AT&T Mobility...............
...and i work for univision. it doesn't make me a subject matter expert on spanish-language entertainment. ;D
Quote from: derby on July 07, 2010, 09:09:36 AM
...and i work for univision. it doesn't make me a subject matter expert on spanish-language entertainment. ;D
I was just stating that he works on the IT side of the mobility portion on system upgrades or something.
It's interesting what you have to say verse what AT&T has to say about the security.
Can you remote wipe with active synch?
I know when I was managing PDA's (Samsung SCH-i760's, Treo's, etc) we used active synch and outside the password time out, there was no ability to remote wipe.
Technology might have changed in the past 18 months, I really don't know.
It is very handy with remote wipe as if an employee gets a phone stolen or terminated, I can have their phone erased in 8 seconds.
iirc, you've been able to issue a remote wipe on an activesync client since exchange 2003 sp2.
edit: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2005/07/07/407416.aspx (http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2005/07/07/407416.aspx)
Quote from: derby on July 07, 2010, 09:09:36 AM
...and i work for univision. it doesn't make me a subject matter expert on spanish-language entertainment. ;D
I'm an expert on spanish-language entertainment. Hot chicks with very little clothing dancing around. Now that's entertainment.
The security concern is with the equipment, not on the server side. Apple has just not provided the level of security AT&T is comfortable with.
BB is the only approved method of receiving AT&T emails by a mobile device.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 09:18:58 AM
I'm an expert on spanish-language entertainment. Hot chicks with very little clothing dancing around. Now that's entertainment.
[thumbsup]
There are definitely some hot chicks on that Spanish channel based in Orlando.
I can't think of the name of it off the top of my head
TV mundo or something like that?
Telemundo. It used to be a Puerto Rican channel and got bought out. I would love to work at Univision :o
Most likely Apple would need to develop an authorization system where you would need to hit the server and enter a password prior to accessing the email. They just don't want my kids being able to hack into the phone and get the password.
NSFW
iPhone4 vs HTC Evo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 09:18:58 AM
I'm an expert on spanish-language entertainment. Hot chicks with very little clothing dancing around. Now that's entertainment.
The security concern is with the equipment, not on the server side. Apple has just not provided the level of security AT&T is comfortable with.
i find that hilarious!
seriously though, to the OP...indications are that the iPhone might finally arrive on Verizon to coincide with the launch of their (Verizon's) LTE network next January. i know, sounds like just another rumor...
or you can make the leap of faith to an Android handset. i have been using one for almost a year now with Verizon, and am hooked. the only dropped calls i experience are when i am talking to my dad (he has an iPhone) so i am pretty sure its not me..
here is a link with some info on iphone vs. android (from the perspective of switching from an iphone.)
http://lifehacker.com/5581029/jumping-ship-from-iphone-to-android-a-switchers-guide
Futurama - eyePhone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZwUsA0WV4E#normal)
[laugh]
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 09:18:58 AM
The security concern is with the equipment, not on the server side. Apple has just not provided the level of security AT&T is comfortable with.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 07, 2010, 09:20:03 AM
BB is the only approved method of receiving AT&T emails by a mobile device.
Kind of humorous to hear the second quote when you stop and consider that BB's are the one mobile device that any IC crippy will point to when you ask them what the easiest device to hack is.
Late to the party, as I always am.
I've had my iPhone4 for about 1.5 weeks. At home (central Oahu), if I hold the problem areas for a few seconds, my 5 bars goes to 2 or 3 - haven't dropped a call yet. I tried to replicate that for a friend in Honolulu and failed completely. I guess the signal strength there was just too good. I upgraded from a first gen iPhone, so everything is miles better.
I hear a lot of complaints about the iPhone and ATT, but I have yet to have any real problems. Oh, and as for making calls, unless I try to hold it in a way that covers the little lines, I never do. Just lucky I guess. 8)