sorry if they have already been posted
there seems to be one new photo of the front of the bike (i haven't seen in previous leaked spy shots) although it does look airbrushed ?
link http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/July/jul1510-ducati-musclebike-up-close/
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/July/jul1510-ducati-musclebike-up-close/)
Nice find ! [clap]
Not my cup, but it seems rather cool ...
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/269949/images/300x200/01ducati-mega-monster.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4795723367_ce81bde8e0.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/269949/images/04ducati-mega-monster.jpg)
Ok, so I see:
- What look like fold away passenger pegs?
- Twin cans, that are one peice
- New style clutch case
- Obvious water cooling
- Monsters ish light seat and controls.
- ABS
Anyone else pick up on what's going on here?
Would this really be all that different from an 1100 Monster?
Well, I don't hate it. But I can't say that I like it, either.
:-\
I'll test ride it. I doubt I would get rid of my Monster for it, but it looks interesting.
Air ducts on the side of the headlight? (with safety wire??)
S*R style tapered bars.
Not digging the cans... :-\
Quote from: yuu on July 15, 2010, 04:32:43 AM
Anyone else pick up on what's going on here?
A train wreck as far as I can tell. [puke]
Quote from: Triple J on July 15, 2010, 06:43:07 AM
A train wreck as far as I can tell. [puke]
This is the usual response to any new model here. All models except the new Multi, mostly because the old Multi was so freaking ugly, were completely trashed. The outrage when they redesigned the Monster. All the comments when they presented the Streetfighter. Where are those comments now? Once it's released and people get a chance to take a good look and test ride it, then people drink the Ducati kool-aid
Possibly.
In my defense, I didn't trash the new Monster like everyone else did...and I don't think the new Multi looks much beter than the old one, just different. I'm not a huge fan of the streetfighter looks though I'll admit.
This just looks like an ugly bike, with a huge rear tire. I don't get it. That may change when the final version is unveiled though. [coffee]
In my defense, I liked the streetfighter when the spy shots were out and I never liked the new monster (compared to the older style/lines). That is 2 for 2. I will go on record and say that this bike does not look all that refined right now (so i may like it when/if it happens) but in its current state, IT IS UGLY! With its current state being "refined" i still think it will look ugly especially with the cans and the curves of the bike. Looks....bleh and I dont think I will like the final product. This of couse is my opinion and that is all it is. Others are entitled to theirs.
Like I did with the new Monsters, I'm reserving judgment. It's not a finished product. There's bits uncovered that will obviously have body work, there's wires hanging out etc etc...
THough I will say now - that if that's the final exhaust, it's a bit of lose. The exhausts on the new Multi are cool and make a lot of sense... these er.. why a double can look that's actually one big stonking bit of metal...
I think it would look a little better with a streetfighter set of double cans. Or, as the previous commenter mentioned, the exhaust from the new Multistrada.
if its water cooled then it looks like a sorta crusier style streetfighter really, the thing is definitely a different direction, looks like all they might be doing is sort of putting a larger rear wheel and tail on the bike really,with the extra stuff the air ducts and such just to balance out the weighty look of the back.
Bike looks hot!! I could even tolerate the mufflers.
Quote from: yuu on July 15, 2010, 04:32:43 AMAnyone else pick up on what's going on here?
Monster (new style) mirrors
Monster-ish (new style) headlight
Quote from: yuu on July 15, 2010, 07:36:52 AMThe exhausts on the new Multi are cool and make a lot of sense... these er.. why a double can look that's actually one big stonking bit of metal...
I've got nothing against the new Multi exhausts. In fact, I like them enough to leave mine alone. However, "they" are actually a one-piece item made to look like two-piece. My first thought on seeing the photos was that the exhaust was following the trend of the new Multi and taking it to an extreme.
Quote from: mstevens on July 15, 2010, 08:07:48 AM
I've got nothing against the new Multi exhausts. In fact, I like them enough to leave mine alone. However, "they" are actually a one-piece item made to look like two-piece. My first thought on seeing the photos was that the exhaust was following the trend of the new Multi and taking it to an extreme.
I quite like the exhaust on the 1200. Look good and a smart design IMO.. And yeah I know they are really all one unit hiding behind that shield - but at least some effort was made to conceal it. They could have at least done some heat shield with a gap to give one the illusion...
Quote from: yuu on July 15, 2010, 08:14:12 AM
I quite like the exhaust on the 1200. Look good and a smart design IMO.. And yeah I know they are really all one unit hiding behind that shield - but at least some effort was made to conceal it. They could have at least done some heat shield with a gap to give one the illusion...
[beer]
I also think there's no flow to the bike. looks like a pear if you stand her on her rear wheel.
I am also going to reserve judgement until it is finished.... but I'll say I do like the direction if only for new potential buyer in this market.
Quote from: sbrguy on July 15, 2010, 07:59:08 AM
if its water cooled then it looks like a sorta crusier style streetfighter really,
Yep. My first thoughts ... a streetfighter made to look ... umm ... heavier.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 15, 2010, 06:54:45 AM
This is the usual response to any new model here. All models except the new Multi, mostly because the old Multi was so freaking ugly, were completely trashed. The outrage when they redesigned the Monster. All the comments when they presented the Streetfighter. Where are those comments now? Once it's released and people get a chance to take a good look and test ride it, then people drink the Ducati kool-aid
nah...just impolite to keep trashing them. Making a comment once early on is enough...I don't, and nobody does really, need to keep at it. In fact we've asked some people to stop the constant trashing and when they didn't they were asked to leave. It gets downright annoying and nasty.
:)
What's all of the grumbling about? I like it and would definitely ride it. [moto] [thumbsup] Ducati is a business you know. There is no shame in trying to reel in another market.
And to all of you who are complaining about the stock exhaust...Why do you care?
Seriously... it's another Ducati that will come from the factory with a shotgun style exhaust. You've already seen and accepted this exhaust on other models. It's nothing new.
Stock motorcycle exhausts are ranked #1 on the proverbial list of expendable parts that the consumer will immediately remove and replace with an aftermarket alternative. So the way I see it, as long as the manufacturer (Ducati in this case) can produce a stock exhaust that meets EPA noise standards and has an acceptable basic design for the aftermarket to base their product on (the shotgun - You've seen it and accepted it), you really shouldn't waste too much energy hating it.
Honestly, I think this is all "fat tire" hate.
Another article on this bike: http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/06/spy-photos-2011-ducati-vyper-p.html (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/06/spy-photos-2011-ducati-vyper-p.html)
Justification for this new model:
- New motorcycles are being marketed to boomers because they've got money and time
- Boomers like cruisers because they're... well... old (no offense, dad)
- HD will likely go belly up in the next 2 years
- Ducati doesn't want to miss the opportunity to win some of that market
Aesthetically, this 'rendition' can't be judged as it's not finished. Nowhere close by the looks of all the parts-bin bolt ons.
The muscle-bike market has always held some interest for me but I'm a drag-racing nut-job and that's not most of the Duc-market...
.... [puke]...are they serious? That bike looks like a Buell on roids:
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/269949/images/04ducati-mega-monster.jpg)
(http://www.bikez.com/pictures/buell/2006/22390_0_1_2_lightning%20xb12scg_Image%20credits%20-%20Buell.jpg)
looks like they took a brutale, beat it with a baseball bat, destroyed everything decent about it, and then stuck an 1198 engine inside, added some ugly bits to cover the brusies, lowered the rear, and then made it uglier
god that's hideous....beyond hideous
the rear wheel, however, is tight....and i'm sure it will be better looking when it gets fully dressed (notice all the wires hanging) but till then it's pretty bad
Quote from: Duck-Stew on July 15, 2010, 04:43:34 PM
Aesthetically, this 'rendition' can't be judged as it's not finished. Nowhere close by the looks of all the parts-bin bolt ons.
^^^
Quote from: mattc7 on July 15, 2010, 05:10:43 PM
.and i'm sure it will be better looking when it gets fully dressed (notice all the wires hanging) but till then it's pretty bad
^^^^^
QuoteJustification for this new model:
- New motorcycles are being marketed to boomers because they've got money and time
- Boomers like cruisers because they're... well... old (no offense, dad)
- HD will likely go belly up in the next 2 years
- Ducati doesn't want to miss the opportunity to win some of that market
Well, I'm technically too old to be a boomer, but I personally don't like cruisers. I can't qualify to ride one anyway- no tats, always ride with a full-faced helmet. And, I actually own an H-D, but it's kept out-of-state and ridden by others.
My Monsters are sporty enough without going the crotch rocket route. I guess it's the old man-young woman thing.
I think H-D will last more than 2 years, but they're marketing to a shrinking demographic. They seem to be managed like the oil companies- wring out every last penny from a diminishing marketplace.
Ducati? Well, they are making business decisions that we may not agree with, in terms of their model offerings. But, you have to admit that they have done a good job of managing themselves into good financial health.
[thumbsup] well put
Quote from: DUCURTI on July 15, 2010, 03:43:47 PM
What's all of the grumbling about? I like it and would definitely ride it. [moto] [thumbsup] Ducati is a business you know. There is no shame in trying to reel in another market.
And to all of you who are complaining about the stock exhaust...Why do you care?
Seriously... it's another Ducati that will come from the factory with a shotgun style exhaust. You've already seen and accepted this exhaust on other models. It's nothing new.
Stock motorcycle exhausts are ranked #1 on the proverbial list of expendable parts that the consumer will immediately remove and replace with an aftermarket alternative. So the way I see it, as long as the manufacturer (Ducati in this case) can produce a stock exhaust that meets EPA noise standards and has an acceptable basic design for the aftermarket to base their product on (the shotgun - You've seen it and accepted it), you really shouldn't waste too much energy hating it.
Honestly, I think this is all "fat tire" hate.
As one who is a " Boomer ."
I think it looks fugly.
Dolph :)
Quote from: duccarlos on July 15, 2010, 06:54:45 AM
All models except the new Multi, mostly because the old Multi was so freaking ugly, were completely trashed.
Hyper.
Quote from: Rameses on July 15, 2010, 10:17:29 PM
Hyper.
Even the Hyper was trashed for the duck bill.
People griped about the beak on the new Multi too... i admit I don't care for the beak much... Doesn't mean I don't want one after getting a chance to ride one.
I'm funny looking too.
Me too.
But I'm fun to ride.
Quote from: Speedbag on July 16, 2010, 06:19:39 AM
Me too.
But I'm fun to ride.
Thats what JuDdDDd was say'n
[cheeky]
He's such a whore.
Trellis frame is gone.
Exhaust routed forward and then back, possibly to pull the rear swingarm pivot in tighter for better handling.
Also looks like some sort of evolving new engine. Doesn't exactly look like a 90* layout.
Tail section looks clean but that will likely change by the time it hits production.
Got my interest for sure but I don't feel a burning hole in my pocket yet. (Because money is still trickling out into the 848 [laugh])
Quote from: nicrosato on July 15, 2010, 06:15:30 PM
I actually own an H-D, but it's kept out-of-state and ridden by others.
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Dollars to donuts the headlight goes. As Duc-Stew mentioned, lots of parts bin stuff. I dig the bike though. I also dig what this company is doing. Times are tough, a lot of Japanese manufacturers are laying back and Ducati is out creating interesting new bikes. And there is always that artistic Italian gene present through it all. As incomplete as it is, this bike looks like it will be not radically different, but at least pretty damn cool. The Multi was a pretty bold move. And if I could afford it, I'd probably buy one beak and all. I think it's great what Ducati is doing. It's also smart market-share wise.
And whoever commented on HD being run like an oil company, is spot on. Only a corporate mentality could have sold off MV after they finally create a sweet F4 and then do the unspeakable to Buell. Ass hats running that board.
Part V-rod, part V-Max, part new Monster - there should be a "V" in the name - V-Monster? I like it OK, better than any of its competitors.
welll whether we like it or not, it's gonna be made.
now if it sticks around or goes like the Indiana... we'll see.
personally I hope the next two projects Ducati is working on are the ST and SS replacements
development costs for both would be VERY low
the ST would use the new MTS lowered with body work
the SS would use the new Monster platforms with bodywork and clipons and new rearsets
Quote from: Raux on July 16, 2010, 09:15:13 AMpersonally I hope the next two projects Ducati is working on are the ST and SS replacements
development costs for both would be VERY low
the ST would use the new MTS lowered with body work
I'll bet you just about anything that Ducati thinks the new Multistrada
is the ST replacement.
Quote from: mstevens on July 16, 2010, 09:38:22 AM
I'll bet you just about anything that Ducati thinks the new Multistrada is the ST replacement.
that is a mistake after the new Honda and Triumph Sport Tourers came out this year.
the MTS is too 'offroady' for those who are looking for more wind protection for the long highways and autobahns.
Is this maybe what the "frameless" patent is initially spawning?
Might be quite a bit lighter than it looks.
I'll reserve judgement until the final product exists...and even then I'll say nothing as my opinion is worthless
Quote from: mstevens on July 16, 2010, 09:38:22 AM
I'll bet you just about anything that Ducati thinks the new Multistrada is the ST replacement.
I agree. There would be too much overlap between a true ST and the MTS12. Sure a new ST might be marginally better on long slab rides, but the MTS12 is still very capable and is probably more comfortable due to the seating position. The seating position was a common complaint of the last ST models, as it is for the VFRs and some other ST models. The MTS also offers more versatility than a true ST.
The MTS12 went hard after GS riders, the majority of whom use them as tourers.
Quote from: Raux on July 16, 2010, 12:26:06 PMthe MTS is too 'offroady' for those who are looking for more wind protection for the long highways and autobahns.
I don't what your experience has been, but on several long, high-speed rides my MTS1200 has provided plenty of wind protection. Perhaps this is due to my having come from Monsters (thus maybe having very low expectations), but my personal experience is that it provides much more protection than it looks as if it should be able to.
well maybe i'm in left field, but i think the ST replacement would be a much prettier bike than the MTS. and using the MTS as the basis for it, would be perfect. similar ergos, similar equipment, different style.
First thing I thought was 'Suzuki Boulevarde' with the style of the headlight and cowl.
IMHO, it looks OK, but reserving judgement till the final product is done. Don't think I would buy one though. I'm finding it hard buying anything atm. :-\
Quote from: Raux on July 16, 2010, 12:40:01 PM
well maybe i'm in left field, but i think the ST replacement would be a much prettier bike than the MTS. and using the MTS as the basis for it, would be perfect. similar ergos, similar equipment, different style.
Not hard to do in the looks dept.! [laugh]
I think it'd be hard to make a ST style bike with the same frame and thus seating position though. Maybe start with a Streetfighter frame and go from there.
Looks like a StreetFighter and a Monster had sex and this is the end result.
Skimmed from Hellforleather
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/Ducati-0803.jpg)
Quote from: lethe on July 16, 2010, 12:30:47 PM
Is this maybe what the "frameless" patent is initially spawning?
In short, no
long answer NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Quote from: yuu on July 16, 2010, 02:15:07 PM
Skimmed from Hellforleather
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/Ducati-0803.jpg)
the sketch was "reportedly sourced from a dealer here in the United States." I wonder if DaveR knows a little more about this bike than the rest of us.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/07/is-ducati-really-taking-on-the-v-max/ (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/07/is-ducati-really-taking-on-the-v-max/)
Quote from: Raux on July 16, 2010, 09:15:13 AM
welll whether we like it or not, it's gonna be made.
now if it sticks around or goes like the Indiana... we'll see.
personally I hope the next two projects Ducati is working on are the ST and SS replacements
development costs for both would be VERY low
the ST would use the new MTS lowered with body work
the SS would use the new Monster platforms with bodywork and clipons and new rearsets
Hope you're right about the ST.
But I think mstevens might be right. Let's hope not.
Quote from: yuu on July 16, 2010, 02:15:07 PM
Skimmed from Hellforleather
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/Ducati-0803.jpg)
That drawing looks good, unlike the spy pics.
Also, it reminds me of the CR&S Duu
(http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/crs-duu.jpg)
Quote from: yuu on July 16, 2010, 02:15:07 PM
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/Ducati-0803.jpg)
I think it's cool -- the concept image! As mentioned before, I think this would be a nice compliment to the existing Ducati lineup currently -- it doesn't replace any existing model and it could bring back people who left the Ducati world to ride something else.
Also I have received some "hate e-mail" recently from some folks who blame me personally for Ducati building this style bike. (due to my DesmoDevil series of bikes built for many years) If true -- that Ducati found some bit of inspiration in my bikes and for building -- I'd actually consider that a compliment. I've enjoyed my own DesmoDevil as the 6th anniversary of it's debut was last week. (and all of my customer DesmoDevil's are still owned by their original owners and enjoyed today as well)
If Ducati build something like the above concept -- yes, I'd buy it. Undoubtedly I'd make a few small changes to it! But even I realize that it is better to buy a mass produced Ducati and tweak with a few weekends -vs- building a one-off engineered and built shop within my facility that might takes months or a year plus to build. It would save me the trouble of building myself the 170+hp DesmoDevil I have wanted to build ever since building one for a customer a few years ago.
Quote from: MotoCreations on July 16, 2010, 05:42:50 PM
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It would save me the trouble of building myself the 170+hp DesmoDevil I have wanted to build ever since building one for a customer a few years ago.
What?
[drool]
Quote from: MotoCreations on July 16, 2010, 05:42:50 PM
I think it's cool -- the concept image!
Supposedly this isn't so much concept as sketched final. According to "my source"
the sketch looks better than the actual pictures. I have no idea what's true anymore, just have to wait and see I guess.
And I agree the ST should be updated, I'd more likely swing for one of those and keep my Monster.
Well the photos are of an unfinished bike. There's no body work in the photos. Body parts are going to be there. So I trust(Ish) the photos
Anyone else catch the damper valve on the exhaust?
Not shocked at this. Noise rules and all... hell the new VFR keeps one of the exhaust valves closed under 6k to keep the noise down.
Quote from: alfisti on July 17, 2010, 09:39:28 AM
Anyone else catch the damper valve on the exhaust?
more sales for the Motocreations Duc.EE
I think the drawing looks really good. The tank seems longer than it probably will end up but it makes the bike look nice.
That Duckey works really good, too. I recommend (Duc.EE). [beer]
Quote from: BBC Chop on July 17, 2010, 11:30:31 AM
I think the drawing looks really good. The tank seems longer than it probably will end up but it makes the bike look nice.
Hey BBC Chop
Right up your alley? Looks half way between your current bikes. I like it too.
Well, then I'd only need one bike.... so it's not for me! I really like having two bike at opposite ends of the spectrum. But if I could only have one, and this looks like the drawing, then yeah--I'd be interested. I just hope it doesn't dilute what is best about both of mine and come out luke warm. That would be a shame, but it will probably happen.
looking back at the spy pics, I'm not too impressed with the cast looking frame that the trellis bolts up to behind the motor, as it kind of cheapens the bike in my eyes, not too mention the fact everything seems to be made out of cheap plastic parts or stamped metal...
If Ducati keeps cheapening their bikes and pumping them out in masses than I'll have to start riding Bimota's or Vyrus's or something.
Quote from: BellissiMoto on July 18, 2010, 07:36:32 AM
looking back at the spy pics, I'm not too impressed with the cast looking frame that the trellis bolts up to behind the motor, as it kind of cheapens the bike in my eyes, not too mention the fact everything seems to be made out of cheap plastic parts or stamped metal...
If Ducati keeps cheapening their bikes and pumping them out in masses than I'll have to start riding Bimota's or Vyrus's or something.
+1 It makes it that much harder to justify the Ducati tax.
Quote from: Raux on July 16, 2010, 09:15:13 AM
welll whether we like it or not, it's gonna be made.
now if it sticks around or goes like the Indiana... we'll see.
personally I hope the next two projects Ducati is working on are the ST and SS replacements
development costs for both would be VERY low
the ST would use the new MTS lowered with body work
the SS would use the new Monster platforms with bodywork and clipons and new rearsets
I've been doing alot of work, and sketching and measuring on the 1100 to get it to be more similar to what a supersport could be, and it's alittle more complex.
The headstock optimally would be 2-4" higher than it is currently, with a slightly different angle, and offset triples to improve the super small trail numbers, while maintaining the quick turn in.
---This can be worked around, but it's not the best for true SS behavior.
The fuel tank needs to be redesigned to be higher in the back and lower in the front, because with clip ons under the top triple, while racing it gets difficult to properly shift the upper body, since the forearm cannot easily fall onto the tank, but needs to almost curve around it.
The lack of true height adjustable rear does limit tuning options (can be fixed, but not simply as of now)
Otherwise it's definitely a solid platform in the making. I've been looking for someone to help me make either new tank covers, or more optimally, a new tank, but the cost on this isn't something I can workout sadly....yet!
I don't give up easy though.
It does have a very composed chasis, however, with excellent stiffness, and is an ever expanding platform.
I wish a guy like CA-Cycleworks would make something similar to their Monster Track Tank that fit the 1100.....I've been looking for a SS tank to try and make work, but there's alot of chopping/welding required that's beyond my current skill level.
for the rear of the tank to get more height you could build a mold to make new tank skins fit to. for the front, the airbox is there, not the tank. for the headstock, agree the angle isn't as agressive as the SS, but a lift in the back, with say a new swingarm or longer shock mount it could be done.
the great thing about the new Monster frame is the ability to cast a new rear frame to adjust suspension points, seat angles, etc.
Quote from: Raux on July 18, 2010, 10:34:56 AM
for the rear of the tank to get more height you could build a mold to make new tank skins fit to. for the front, the airbox is there, not the tank. for the headstock, agree the angle isn't as agressive as the SS, but a lift in the back, with say a new swingarm or longer shock mount it could be done.
the great thing about the new Monster frame is the ability to cast a new rear frame to adjust suspension points, seat angles, etc.
very true. I'm working on getting the airbox out, and turning it into pods (probably a wasp kit when its available), then sloping the front of the tank skins downward more....giving it more of a ss style shape
I think it is possible to get close to, but not exactly fitting tank by just altering th skins the gas cap is pretty forward, and higher than the rest of the tank, making the slope pretty steep to drop the tank down in the front a bit.
Long-term future will reshape the tank, elongate it to occupy the upper most airbox portion (more capacity!), move the tallest point backward toward the rider, and thinner around.
I'm talking well into the future here.
(http://matthewcostabile.com/tank_new.jpg)
duc musclebike pics thread and no pics. ???
Quote from: shift96 on July 20, 2010, 09:46:27 AM
duc musclebike pics thread and no pics. ???
There are a bunch of spy pics of the production test bed and a sketch of the final version
I got word today from a trusted source that it's officially official
Just found this image of the clay body mockup
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Ducati-Vyper-cruiser-concept-clay.jpg)
and this photoshop (I believe) of the same clay mockup
(http://www.ducati-motorcycle-parts.com/Images/Layout/Category-graphics/Ducati_Vyper_Banner.gif)
which I found on my local dealers website: http://www.ducati-motorcycle-parts.com/Ducati-Vyper-parts-and-accessories.aspx (http://www.ducati-motorcycle-parts.com/Ducati-Vyper-parts-and-accessories.aspx)
I had been contemplating between the HD NightRod or Ducati Streetfighter as a second bike but I have now added this as a possible third choice.
new pic out
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Ducati-Mega-Monster-power-cruiser-side-shot.jpg)
I will make up my mind when I go for the test ride. This might be the best Ducati to use in Florida.
I am 31 years old, so not a boomer. My first bike was a new m750 in 2002. I am now riding a 2004 s4r (which I love). I have always liked the V-Max look and idea. A sport cruiser would be a great addition to the Ducati line and when I see the spy photos of this concept from Ducati the first thing that pops to mind is a V-Max with potential. It would make a very comfortable 2-up ride by the looks of it.
I dont understand the hate on it. It looks different, yes, but that does not mean it is bad or ugly. I could definitely see getting it, making a few mods (headlight, exhaust, mirrors, etc..) any of this sound familiar? Most people on here do the same thing. Try to find a bone stock monster.
Not my cup of tea but if it works for some and for Ducati...well then good for them. [beer]
the more I see the more me likey ;D
Yeah, it seems many judge it as if its a bike they will be FORCED to buy and ride. I wonder if these people always complain about everything else, too. [roll]
Quote from: Paper5tr3et7 on July 21, 2010, 12:13:33 PM
new pic out
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Ducati-Mega-Monster-power-cruiser-side-shot.jpg)
I just hope they keep the alien reptile paint and tank camo muffler treatment.... [laugh] [bacon]
now that's what I call front wheel clearance.
the exhaust can be changed, but that swoopy, melted line from the droopy headlight back to the bars would be harder.
different headlight and short, flat, drag bars further forward and lower and maybe...just maybe...I wouldn't hate it.
i'm still not a fan but they've given me rossi and 848 evo to make up for it.
Quote from: Paper5tr3et7 on July 21, 2010, 12:13:33 PM
new pic out
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Ducati-Mega-Monster-power-cruiser-side-shot.jpg)
I would need to see the final products fit and finish for me to determine or not if I like it. I am on the fence right now about it. It has potential like all the other Ducati's we seem to hate till we get our grubby mod hands on them ;D
It does look like I can ride that all day long and my arse would not be killing me plus it seems to be on the lower side so I wont be tip toeing the bike like I do on most Motorcycles.
Anyone have a guess on the final dry weight on this thing ???
Australian Motorcycle News had quite a good photo with "inside information" in their latest edition.
Australian Motorcycle News reported that it has a trellis frame "insiders revealing it will dramatically undercut weight expectations", "appearance of a sport cruiser with the performance of a superbike", "uses a similar engine to the 11 deg 1200 Multi", "Traction control", "ABS", "triangular profile 240 section tyre, meaning decent handling to get the look right without compromising the handling". I noticed it has twin side radiators which the cowlings from the earlier spy photos and mock ups should (hopefully) hide.
With their history, Ducati is the prime candidate for making a relatively light, good handling power cruiser.
I like it.
Quote from: Paper5tr3et7 on July 21, 2010, 12:13:33 PM
new pic out
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Ducati-Mega-Monster-power-cruiser-side-shot.jpg)
+1 on more I see the more I like. With some different bars and headlight mods (like stated above) and so custom paint (going by the 'vyper' photo) it could be a slick cruiser. A dark version would be wise on Ducati's part, imho. I would buy one, assuming the handling is good and the weight isn't rediculous (not that I'll be able to afford it).
Wanna start a pool on MSRP? My guess is $19,500.
$16,999 hopefully. If so, I might get one.
I say $18K for standard and $20K for the inevitable "S" variant.
Quote from: BBC Chop on July 21, 2010, 06:04:43 PM
and $20K for the inevitable "S" variant.
You've got that right... "Inevitable" S trim power cruiser for the "I gotta have it" people who drive the Mercedes "AMG" trim suv. ;D [roll]
If that thing is anymore than the Street Fighter forget that >:(
I will get a Harley instead [evil] [moto]
you know I've been thinking about the economics.
maybe it is great that Ducati is breaking into new markets.
More cash flow means they can afford to try more products. maybe even a new SS or ST. or a single.
AND more cash flow means they can afford that new factory they are working on. Which also means they can work on new ways of efficiency to reduce some costs, which may help lower the ever increasing prices
[laugh] sorry for a minute there I thought this was about helping us afford Ducatis
I really dig the Harley Nightrod, which this looks to be a potential competitor of - I'd buy it. It looks pretty aggressive & cool. The cans suck on the exhaust, and different bars looks like they'd be better, but overall I call this rad!
Quote from: Statler on July 21, 2010, 03:29:03 PM
the exhaust can be changed, but that swoopy, melted line from the droopy headlight back to the bars would be harder.
different headlight and short, flat, drag bars further forward and lower and maybe...just maybe...I wouldn't hate it.
+1 not a fan of the headlight [puke]
Put some BoomTubes on that sucka and see if you don't like it. Mark already photoshopped it and it looked much better. Round headlight.
Don't recall seeing the photoshop. Was that on a different thread?
He posted it on FB.
FB?
facebook
Carlos. Please disregard my PM. [roll]
I personally am happy that Ducati is doing well enough to even try this. A power cruiser would be great for my girl and I, she is a big fan of the laidback relaxing ride, of course the M1200 would probably do what i want and more. There shouldn't be any hate on a new model just the fact they are doing a totally new bike is cool in itself instead of just rehashing parts.
As for looks everyone needs to really stop judging the thing until official shots are shown. All of you saying i don't like the headlight, i don't like the exhaust, etc etc don't seem to realize the bike is in full camo to hide it's look. Have you ever seen some of the insane camo they put on cars to hide models and makes? I'm reserving my judgement on styling until i see a good photo. But for now i think it is going in the right direction from what is visible. A single sided swingarm, classy wheels, brembo brakes, and comfortable ergos i'm looking forward to seeing it. A lot of Ducati's styling seems to have function to it so i have good faith in them. For example the multi1200's beak may not look the best but that thing actually adds a good amount of horsepower! And i'm sure it has grown on a lot of people here.
Quote from: GLantern on July 22, 2010, 07:22:10 AM
As for looks everyone needs to really stop judging the thing until official shots are shown.
But... but, but.. that's NOT THE DMF WAY! ;D
Quote from: GLantern on July 22, 2010, 07:22:10 AM
For example the multi1200's beak may not look the best but that thing actually adds a good amount of horsepower! And i'm sure it has grown on a lot of people here.
I still don't like the beak...and if it adds horsepower I'll paint my BSTs pink.
Oh my my my - now we have a research project. Don't underestimate the power of motivated nerds... pink BSTs for Statler in 2012!
Quote from: GLantern on July 22, 2010, 07:22:10 AM
For example the multi1200's beak may not look the best but that thing actually adds a good amount of horsepower!
I'm with Statler (except I don't have BST's).
The MTS beak isn't part of the ram air system, it just routes air flow over the oil cooler. Not sure how that creates horsepower.
Creates... hmm Helps preserve. Keeping the engine temp regulated to it's optimum lets it perform at it's peak... so yes, obviously the beak makes more horsepower! Right! Pink wheels it is.
Statler - I'll be up near your place a week from today - I'll bring my stands and tools to help you disassemble ;D
Quote from: yuu on July 22, 2010, 07:37:09 AM
Creates... hmm Helps preserve. Keeping the engine temp regulated to it's optimum lets it perform at it's peak... so yes, obviously the beak makes more horsepower! Right! Pink wheels it is.
Statler - I'll be up near your place a week from today - I'll bring my stands and tools to help you disassemble ;D
I expect pics ;D
a few virtual mods -- 2in lowered rear suspension (who knows what the underseat / seat rail setup is for clearance?); shorter bars (thus riders upper body pulled forward slightly); no mirrors (use barends); lowered rear license plate holder (will it retrofit to other Ducati's?)
I wish I had more time to play with -- I have lots of ideas for aftermarket parts for this (besides just exhaust systems)
(http://motocreations.com/dmf/lowered.jpg)
either that rider is in the middle of some serious braking or there is very little front fork travel and clearance.
the headlight look like the 696 glass with a new cover/frame.
love the front vertical cyl. exhaust routing. the shield looks like a Monster take off as well
i can't see where the pillion pegs would be with that exhaust though.
would look better with a single large can instead of those two
looking at the rear, think there's going to be a plastic fender out the back as they have to cover the wheel to make it road legal
definitely another half trellis half cast frame though.
and kinda looks like a new wet clutch cover as well.
passenger grab handles ? don't see anything possible so again i'm thinking there's going to be more to the production rear end
I equate it to Porche making their SUV and 4 door. It's just not right (for the image that I have in MY OWN head.)
They know the market better than I do
Quote from: spolic on July 22, 2010, 12:33:59 PM
I equate it to Porche making their SUV and 4 door. It's just not right (for the image that I have in MY OWN head.)
They know the market better than I do
the SUV.. eh.. until you get the Turbo it's just another SUV..
but that 4door.. those are DAMN sexy. they even have a split rear wing that rises up at speed. oh man i NEED one of those cars. [drool]
I was with you on the 4-door Porsche until I drove the car. It is a drivers car and does not feel like a sedan. You feel the road just like you do in a 911 and it corners like you're on rails. Go test drive a Porsche Panamera Turbo and you will agree that it is 100% Porsche.
I am sure that this cruiser is going to feel more like a race bike than an ol' mans cruiser. [thumbsup]
It's not my thing... but one day I may be wishing for such a bike.
Quote from: GLantern on July 22, 2010, 07:22:10 AM
As for looks everyone needs to really stop judging the thing until official shots are shown.
I agree to a point but is it too late for a few refinements?
May I suggest Ducati are actually hoping for a bit of comment
before the official photos.
i would suspect most of their first production year is set.
but wasn't there a lot of backlash about the 696 when it first leaked about the silver subframe that ended up being black?
so i would think there is some 'opinion' searching going on within the Ducati communities
my opinion is BUILD IT... 8)
some say it is a done deal, but you know how that goes.
It's a light weight, sexy cool, cruiser with good ergo's that appears to be in the same market space as the Harley nightrod which is brute force cool, heavy, and has awful fuxing ergo's. I'd take the duc anyway of the week over the nightrod, and I really like the nightrod. I think that this would be a good move for ducati to step into a new customer base.
Quote from: Raux on July 22, 2010, 09:30:51 AM
either that rider is in the middle of some serious braking or there is very little front fork travel and clearance.
No, that is what the side-mounted radiator does: gives that snub-nosed look while leaving space centrally for the wheel to move back and up. Kind of an anti-chopper. [laugh] There is plenty of clearance to the front cylinder head.
Tho I'll admit, space under the headlight looks tight.
If the weight is reasonable and the clutch is good, this thing could be seriously quick off the line with that long swingarm. If it can get grip, not out of the question that it could out-drag the Superbikes.
Edit: Looking a bit closer, seems like the rider is indeed braking.
good luck getting into corners with that thing. I'll bet the rear is at least a 260 and it's 6 feet long. If they build it to compete with the Vmax it will fail - limited market and costly at that. Now, if they refine it and place it against the Triumph Rocket, America or Speedmaster type bikes then maybe they are onto something. The seating is very different on these bikes than on a Harley cruiser (Electra Glide, Road Glide). It's starting to grow on me but that exhaust is hideous and I'm scared to ask about the price points.
I heard the tire was a 240.... still will handle well if set up correctly. Ducati can do it!
read that they are creating a special tire with a more triangular profile to allow the wider tire and not have it affect the ability to turn.
as far as wheelbase.. we'll see, remember when they used the smaller rider to throw off the scale of the MTS spy shots. maybe someone could take that side shot and try to get a rough estimate on the WB.
the exhaust is usually the first thing changed, so as long as it meets EPA and noise restrictions, it doesnt matter how it looks, it won't stay on long past the inspections.
pricing... yeah that's an issue. but it they put in that much tech on the MTS and kept it below 20k maybe if they go lowtech on this one they can keep it below 15k.
i can't really see that rear and seating as stock. there's got to be some more to the production model than that cause passengers will fall of the back.
special tire? [bang] made by Termi I bet [laugh]
overall it looks like fun but aesthetically, at least for now, it's a miss-match for me. the exhaust is always the first thing most of us change but I'm scared to ask on pricing for that as well. I would hope that for the price they expect to fetch it flows better than these spy shots. only time will tell.
Just saw this:
http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_news/first_looks_articles/10q3/rossi_to_ducati_in_2011_confirmed!_plus_inside_the_new_mega-monster_-_first_look (http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_news/first_looks_articles/10q3/rossi_to_ducati_in_2011_confirmed!_plus_inside_the_new_mega-monster_-_first_look)
that exhaust would be horrible, in order to change the belts you would have to remove teh headers compltely just to get to them or even just check them. bad design.
Looks like parts bin headlight is gone.
Does the brake fluid have to be that high?
My thoughts, to many mules, every spy shot shows something different. I think once unveiled it is going to quite a bit different from the spy shots. But at a minimum, drop dead Ducati Sexy...
V/R,
Nick
looks R A D!
I'm really excited for november...even if im not gonna buy it, i still wanna drool all over it....i havent been too blown away by either of the new releases as of late (new multi, or the 796 hyper) This I'm holdin out on
Chopper Indiana Ducati 650 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuNCnXqATFQ#normal)
It looks like Ducati has a new name for the musclebike: Diavel
"It's been called the 'Vyper', 'Mega Monster' and 'Project 0803' but Ducati's new muscle bike will be called 'Diavel' "
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/august/aug2510-Ducat-Diavel-revealled/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/august/aug2510-Ducat-Diavel-revealled/)
sigh....
makes me realize why i always say "monster" when people ask what i ride...
Quote from: Travman on August 25, 2010, 10:25:18 AM
It looks like Ducati has a new name for the musclebike: Diavel
Italian derivate of "devil".
I've been using the "Desmo Devil" name for my Ducati powered bikes since 2004 to describe my muscle cruiser creations. At least most of my customers now can affirm that they were years ahead of the marketplace before Ducati got into the swing of things. One customer called this morning with sn#2 and said he is glad to be riding what appears to be the father of the new "Ducati Diavel". He might buy one -- but he will never sell #2!
.... and what do you do Mark?
I know you're way ahead and will build an even more impressive desmo creation 8)
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Ducati-Diavel-Crash-1.jpg)
pulled from HFL
not even available and the first ones down
Can't see the pic
Not for me either
If you still can't see it click the link below. Should work this way.
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Ducati-Diavel-Crash-1.jpg (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Ducati-Diavel-Crash-1.jpg)
And here's the story: http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/09/secret-ducati-muscle-bike-crashes/#more-9637 (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/09/secret-ducati-muscle-bike-crashes/#more-9637)
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Ducati-Diavel-Crash-1.jpg)
Forbidden.
Try this:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/30db41t.jpg)
Now that worked.
Quote from: stopintime on August 25, 2010, 11:44:08 AM
.... and what do you do Mark?
I know you're way ahead and will build an even more impressive desmo creation 8)
Maybe some sort of motard?
maybe a true ST replacement :D
Quote from: MrIncredible on September 03, 2010, 01:55:28 PM
Maybe some sort of motard?
If Ducati decide to make a motard, it shouldn't just be a Super, it should be a HyperMotard. How cool would that be 8)
not my cup of tea but id love to test drive that thing.
Gotta say, if they kept it simple, elegant and pure like the Desmo Devil they would have a winner.
I'll reserve judgement until I can see it in person. ;)
Quote from: stopintime on September 03, 2010, 02:00:17 PM
If Ducati decide to make a motard, it shouldn't just be a Super, it should be a HyperMotard. How cool would that be 8)
Ducati is making a HyperMotard?! :o
Check it out. From twowheelsblog.com
Ducati "Diavel"
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae71/datdudeHX/Ducati%20Diavel/diavel_2011_spy_1.jpg)
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae71/datdudeHX/Ducati%20Diavel/diavel_2011_spy_2_01.jpg)
Quote from: Paper5tr3et7 on September 03, 2010, 10:13:56 AM
not even available and the first ones down
At least this one didn't have pizza on it.
integrated turnsignals/taillights
Found some more conceptual art images:
(http://img48.xooimage.com/files/8/9/9/ducati-mmonster-1e29993.jpg)
(http://www.autocarindia.com/files/images/DucatiMegaMonster.jpg)
(http://www.autocarindia.com/files/images/DucatiMegaMonsterRear.jpg)
What do we have here?
(http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/colori-diavel-2011/diavel_spy_set3_01.jpg)
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/103/diavel2011spy11.jpg)
Diavel: Hello ...ladies
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ducati-diavel-roland-sands-design/#more-15158 (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ducati-diavel-roland-sands-design/#more-15158)
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/ducati-diavel-roland-sands-design/2011-ducati-diavel-roland-sands-designs-1.jpg)
Two threads with the same topic and the same pics? ???
Quote from: Triple J on October 12, 2010, 08:25:08 AM
Two threads with the same topic and the same pics? ???
dat der is a diavel derby
Sorry people I have been out for a very long time, ... [thumbsup]
Quote from: Mojo S2R on October 11, 2010, 08:37:56 PM
What do we have here?
(http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/colori-diavel-2011/diavel_spy_set3_01.jpg)
PC those wheels and im a fan! :drools: