I can't believe I've been puzzling over this for months without seeking the wisdom of the DMF!
In the next 2-3 months, I'm looking to buy a new car. This isn't going to be entirely practical; I've got an '05 Tacoma with 117k miles that I'm keeping, and the fiancee has an '06 Mustang that isn't going anywhere. What I'm looking for is more of a "dream car," something I've been looking forward to for years during those long-ass nights in college, med school, and residency. Now that I've finally reached a position in my medical practice that I've been striving for, I'm ready to go ahead and get it. I can't afford anything really exotic, but that's ok. The SBKs are plenty exotic for me [evil]
What I'm looking for is a car that's luxurious and comfortable for driving to work, which can be anywhere from 5 minutes to 1 hr 45 min depending on which office I'm going to. However, the car also has to have enough performance that I won't be bored, and can do some back road blitzing when I'm in the mood. That combination had me leaning BMW.
My dream car for years has been a BMW M3. I just went and test drove one of 'em on Friday. All they had available was the 4 door, which is fine, although I was leaning towards a coupe. My impressions were mixed. The suspension and steering were superb, which I expected, but I wasn't as blown away by the acceleration as I thought I would be. The V8 is a screamer, but the torque wasn't stunning, and no wonder since it "only" puts out about 295 lb-ft. That's not the sole determining factor here, as I care more about handling than I do about pure straight line performance. But in a $73-75k performance car (optioned out), I kinda wanted more.
As I sat there thinking about the drive, I thought to myself, "the 335i puts out about that much torque." So I test drove one of those and was impressed. There was a touch more body roll than with the M3, but the car is still superbly composed on the street, and the steering was just as good IMO. The price tag was also considerably better, at $55-56k fully optioned out.
Does anyone have FHE with these cars?
Are there must-have mods with either machine, and approximately what do those cost?
Which car would you buy if you were in my place?
Are there other cars anyone would recommend that I look at? I'm fairly open-minded. For example, I went and looked at a Camaro RS/SS a couple of weeks ago, and was impressed. It's dirt cheap for the amount of performance you get, and body roll is minimal. The interior quality is also pretty impressive. The dislikes were the weight, which is evident on quick directional changes, and the rear suspension is subpar (unsettles easily with pavement defects when cornering). The looks are also a little "crude" for my taste. The only comparable coupe I won't look at is the CTX. It's hideous ;D
Also, used is an option which improves the bottom line considerably. I've got a friend in NOLA who is a used car broker and can get me a car at near wholesale prices. I don't really want anything over about 2 years old, however, for reliability reasons.
So you have ~75k budget....
and you went to a chevy dealer....and didn't drive the Z06 Vette?
Shame on you!! ;)
505 ponies and 470 ft-lbs of torque to love..... [evil]
The body roll can be fixed for a lot less than $20K.
http://www.dinancars.com/shop/index.aspx?series=3-Series&model=335i-xi&category=Chassis-Tuning# (http://www.dinancars.com/shop/index.aspx?series=3-Series&model=335i-xi&category=Chassis-Tuning#)
Though, I have not been disappointed in my girl.
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Quote from: Bick on November 28, 2010, 06:17:33 PM
Though, I have not been disappointed in my girl.
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[drool] [drool]
Quote from: DesmoDiva on November 28, 2010, 06:10:57 PM
So you have ~75k budget....
and you went to a chevy dealer....and didn't drive the Z06 Vette?
Shame on you!! ;)
505 ponies and 470 ft-lbs of torque to love.....
that's more like it. [evil]
Have you taken a look at the new lotus? I drool in its general direction.
If you get the 335 you'll always regret not getting the M3. You want a dream cart, not a 4 door sedan.
If not, there's always a 2 yo 911 or a new Cayman. I've been looking for one for my dad, they're nice :D.
As for anything chevy, the Z06 is nice but uncomfortable and it shakes apart after a while. I imagine its the same with the camaro
Quote from: Bick on November 28, 2010, 06:17:33 PM
Though, I have not been disappointed in my girl.
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Hmm?? ???
For some reason..pictured you in a Saturn
wagon.
Thanks for the feedback so far. I'll probably be going 2 door regardless of which car I choose. Although I do want to test drive the Audi S6 my friend the car broker has in his warehouse right now [evil]
And diva, valid point about the vette, but I'd like a better balance of sport and luxury. I've got the bikes for pure performance. Plus I'm not 50 and I still have hair. I doubt they'd be willing to sell me a vette ;D
Quote from: IZ on November 28, 2010, 06:38:46 PM
Hmm?? ???
For some reason..pictured you in a Saturn
wagon.
Minivan. You don't remember?
M5
Quote from: Bick on November 28, 2010, 06:51:52 PM
Minivan. You don't remember?
I can't remember what I what I did yesterday B. ??? The Denver visit was in the middle of the drive from Seattle to Austin. I was dead most of the time and don't remember a lot of the details. We actually did do a lot though. I know that we met somewhere during that time, went to eat and then went back to Polly's highrise. OK..maybe it is coming back to me.
Nice Porsche though! [thumbsup]
Quote from: IZ on November 28, 2010, 07:26:23 PM
I can't remember what I what I did yesterday B. ??? The Denver visit was in the middle of the drive from Seattle to Austin. I was dead most of the time and don't remember a lot of the details. We actually did do a lot though. I know that we met somewhere during that time, went to eat and then went back to Polly's highrise. OK..maybe it is coming back to me.
Nice Porsche though! [thumbsup]
Yeah-you had a great time. Bick even took this video of you
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Quote from: MrIncredible on November 28, 2010, 08:17:40 PM
Yeah-you had a great time. Bick even took this video of you
WTH?! Did they amputate Kenny Loggins legs?! ???
I don't know that a Camaro would fall apart with wear Jesus.
Have you taken a look at the Benz C63? It has 451 ponies matched to 443 torque. I drove one and loved the thing....rocket ship. You can save a bundle on a lease return too and have some cash to spend on another bike too. It's a little small inside but bigger than the M3 and not a two door but you owe it to yourself to drive one since you crawled into the beemer. The cayman though is worth looking at as well. I've heard those who own them that for a daily drive they are great as well.
2011 GT500
Quote from: muskrat on November 28, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
Have you taken a look at the Benz C63? It has 451 ponies matched to 443 torque. I drove one and loved the thing....rocket ship. You can save a bundle on a lease return too and have some cash to spend on another bike too. It's a little small inside but bigger than the M3 and not a two door but you owe it to yourself to drive one since you crawled into the beemer. The cayman though is worth looking at as well. I've heard those who own them that for a daily drive they are great as well.
The c63 is an interesting suggestion. Heavier than the M3 for sure, but based on a comparo I saw in
Automobile recently, it's a better car on the street with all that torque. I'll look into it.
Quote from: Speedbag on November 29, 2010, 04:26:35 AM
2011 GT500
Definitely an interesting car, and based on the reviews, the driving dynamics have been significantly improved. It's reputedly not just a straight line rocket anymore. However, my fiancee is a diehard Mustang fanatic. If I get the uber-Mustang, she'll probably elope with it and I'll never see either of them again ;)
Carrera turbo if you need something reliable to drive every day. They have grown on me the last few years. The M5 would be great but you want a coupe. It can pretty much take on anything.
M6?
Quote from: mookieo2 on November 29, 2010, 08:24:23 AM
Carrera turbo if you need something reliable to drive every day. They have grown on me the last few years. The M5 would be great but you want a coupe. It can pretty much take on anything.
M6?
M6 is out of my price range. I might be able to swing a used M5, but I've heard bad things about the chassis and reliability. Any experience?
2011 Cadillac cts-v (4dr or coupe depending on your tastes) around 65k getting you 556bhp and 551ftlbs of torque. All in a sexy luxurious package.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/09/2011-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-first-drive-review-road-test/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/09/2011-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-first-drive-review-road-test/)
Itest drove one two weeks ago and I'm completely stuck on it. Test drive it, you won't regret it....also, when you buy it, buy red - it's the fastest color [thumbsup]
On a side note, the wife is in med school and looking for some rotations to set up for next year, anything you would recommend in your neck of the woods?
Yep, the CTS is amazing in terms of bang for the buck. However, I'm not a fan of the looks. I'll go test drive it anyway though. We do have a Caddy dealer around the corner from the office. With the more uncommon cars, I have to go to Houston to test drive them (5 1/2 hrs away). For example, there are only 2 BMW dealers in LA, and neither of them has had an M3 in inventory for months. They get a couple in every couple of months, and they're almost always pre-sold.
What is the ideal luxury:sport ratio for you? For the money you are talking, my own search would start at the GT-R and Cayman, but my ratio has a speed bias of 20:80 to 5:95. For me, luxury is easier (and cheaper) to come by than performance, but it is your hard-earned money. If I wanted to both, I would probably buy a cheap, used ES330 or a first generation M45 (still love those cars) and something fast and expensive. Unless I could afford an Aston Martin ;D
As for possible candidates, how about the IS-F or one of the Audi Ses? Used V8 Aston Martin? You're in the price neighborhood of a used Maserati GranTurismo, too.
Since you are a big M3 fan as am I. If you can swing it why not order it with a Dinan package. You should be able to find the extra power you want and it will also be unique compared to the rest of them. A Hamaan body kit wouldn't be bad either for a little flash. The caddy is nice but I don't care what it is something about the status a Benz and BMW hold.
Quote from: swampduc on November 29, 2010, 08:18:10 AM
The c63 is an interesting suggestion. Heavier than the M3 for sure, but based on a comparo I saw in Automobile recently, it's a better car on the street with all that torque. I'll look into it.
I was just reaching for my Automobile magazine when I read the post from muskrat and your reply.
Don't forget about the A/S5. My buddy's dad loves his. You can't beat quattro either.
Quote from: swampduc on November 29, 2010, 08:20:16 AM
Definitely an interesting car, and based on the reviews, the driving dynamics have been significantly improved. It's reputedly not just a straight line rocket anymore. However, my fiancee is a diehard Mustang fanatic. If I get the uber-Mustang, she'll probably elope with it and I'll never see either of them again ;)
+1
I've been secretly trying to justify the price to upgrade from my '07 GT500.....or sink a few grand of that difference into mods for what I have. [evil]
They're a friggin' hoot, if nothing else take one for a test drive. :)
I drive a 135 M-sport 6mt, the wife drives a 335xi steptronic. Both coupes.
A couple of questions. 1) Are you patient?? 2) Are you up for a couple of road trips??
If you answered yes to both, may I suggest an ED followed by a PCD.
By doing this you can use any dealer in the US, thus saving enough to pay for all the [drink] consumed in Germany.
European Delivery.....fly to München, pick up car, drive to Bologna, spend following day doing all things Ducati (take lots of in focus pictures), drive to some track to watch a Moto GP race, drive to drop off point, turn in car, and fly home.
Performance Center Delivery....fly to South Carolina, spend night at Marriot on BMW, pick up car at center, 1/2 day driving school on the test track in a loaner BMW (not your car [evil]), then drive home the following day.
One that will be introduced next year is a 1 series "M" car ;D
http://www.4autochannel.com/spy-shots-will-bmw-1-series-be-manual-only.html (http://www.4autochannel.com/spy-shots-will-bmw-1-series-be-manual-only.html)
A 1 series with alot of M3 goodies (suspension) and a tuned up twin turbo 6 (~350 hp, ~ 400 lbft)
I would take a 135 M-sport out, you might like it.
How much ethanol is in the gas in your area, the reason I ask is cars with direct injection (HPFP) are having problems with pump failures, I think it has to do with the ethanol in US gasoline.
find a nice clean unmolested and only slightly used Acura NSX....
The other thing I can tell you from my experience with beemers is that the new ones will start to disintegrate right at the five year mark, right about the time the warranty runs out. That's been the case with every BMW I've come into prolongyes contact with.
My old 06 330i was completely reliable until this year, when its asked for about 6k worth of work.
Before that the 02 X5 of my uncle just died in 07
And the 05 m5 my ex's dad had asked for 5k of work before he traded it in
Quote from: mookieo2 on November 29, 2010, 08:24:23 AM
Carrera turbo if you need something reliable to drive every day.
One word of caution on a Carrera, Turbo or not...
Weight of the engine behind the rear wheels + lots of torque = TIRE EATERS!
I get @ 10 - 12 K out of a set of rears. Turbo will be even hungrier.
Caymans are a lot easier on them. @ 20k out of a set.
Other than that, very reliable.
Bick, I think your tire wear problem might just might be related to your right foot. ;)
So forget about a Caddy or GT500, go out and get an Audi. Either the 2011 RS5 or an older model RS4 will blow your mind. Either cars an everyday driver and as someone has already said, Quattro ROCKS.
Owned a RED S4 and thought my life was complete until I got a Ducati...
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on November 29, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
So forget about a Caddy or GT500, go out and get an Audi. Either the 2011 RS5 or an older model RS4 will blow your mind. Either cars an everyday driver and as someone has already said, Quattro ROCKS.
Owned a RED S4 and thought my life was complete until I got a Ducati...
Although I do love the RS5.....it needs a bit more to compete with the CTS-V on anything besides a fancy interior.
Here's a comparison test of the M3, CTS-V, and the RS5
Plus the Caddy's warranty is a little longer ;)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1009_2010_audi_rs_5_vs_2011_bmw_m3_vs_2011_cadillac_cts_v_comparison/specs.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1009_2010_audi_rs_5_vs_2011_bmw_m3_vs_2011_cadillac_cts_v_comparison/specs.html)
Quote from: MadDuc 20/20 on November 29, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
So forget about a Caddy or GT500, go out and get an Audi. Either the 2011 RS5 or an older model RS4 will blow your mind. Either cars an everyday driver and as someone has already said, Quattro ROCKS.
Owned a RED S4 and thought my life was complete until I got a Ducati...
forget them and get the RS3
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/audi_news/article_2817.shtml (http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/audi_news/article_2817.shtml)
I appreciate the suggestions. Any long term experience with Audi as far as reliability? I like the idea of AWD given that it rains a ton down here in the swamp.
The RS4 was first on my list until I checked around and found that they were virtually impossible to find. Not many were sold in the States.
Jesus, it sounds like an extended warranty would pay for itself with a Beemer, especially if I go used.
Quote from: djrashonal on November 29, 2010, 12:34:02 PM
Although I do love the RS5.....it needs a bit more to compete with the CTS-V on anything besides a fancy interior.
Here's a comparison test of the M3, CTS-V, and the RS5
Plus the Caddy's warranty is a little longer ;)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1009_2010_audi_rs_5_vs_2011_bmw_m3_vs_2011_cadillac_cts_v_comparison/specs.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1009_2010_audi_rs_5_vs_2011_bmw_m3_vs_2011_cadillac_cts_v_comparison/specs.html)
But... the Caddy is so ugly... so very ugly... why is it so ugly? :'(
Aarash, pm with your wife's interests. What is she looking for in rotations? I did my internship, residency, and fellowship in New Orleans, but I went to med school in TX, so I don't know a ton about student rotations except in Ophthalmology. I can ask around for sure.
Quote from: djrashonal on November 29, 2010, 12:34:02 PM
Plus the Caddy's warranty is a little longer ;)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1009_2010_audi_rs_5_vs_2011_bmw_m3_vs_2011_cadillac_cts_v_comparison/specs.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1009_2010_audi_rs_5_vs_2011_bmw_m3_vs_2011_cadillac_cts_v_comparison/specs.html)
But it's a Caddy. [coffee]
Let me add, a little belatedly, that a traditional manual tranny is a big plus in my eyes. I haven't owned anything with an auto in 14 yrs. I know the dual-clutch auto can shift faster than me, has shift paddles, yada yada yada... it's still a slushbox.
This is one reason I haven't really considered the IS-F. It's not offered with a manual.
+1 on the GTR
the owner of the company next to me has one and took me for a lil spin one day during which he said he would love to take my 848 for a ride. i told him only if i got to actually drive. he pulled over, got out, and opened my passenger door, and said dont get a ticket. that car was just a blast to drive.
on a side note, you could always get an older car, somthing that you have lusted for since you were a kid and have it restored with new go fast on rail kind of parts... just saying if it was me and i had 70k to throw at a fun " I'm sucessful look what i got " kind of toy then i would waste it on a used viper and throw the extra money that i saved on a turbo kit and other go straight to jail goodies.
[laugh]
Not a bad thought. Talked to my car broker friend today, and he has a line on an 08 M3 with 20k miles for about $50k. I'm also seriously thinking about the 2011 BMW 335is (leaning towards it), and basically leaving the 335i off the list. I'll try to go up to Baton Rouge tomorrow and drive an S5, though it's supposed to be pouring. At least I get to see how the Quattro works [thumbsup]
Oh, and sno duc, thanks for jogging my memory about the ED and PCD options. That makes the 335is sound even better.
Quote from: swampduc on November 29, 2010, 01:36:34 PM
[laugh]
Not a bad thought. Talked to my car broker friend today, and he has a line on an 08 M3 with 20k miles for about $50k. I'm also seriously thinking about the 2011 BMW 335is (leaning towards it), and basically leaving the 335i off the list. I'll try to go up to Baton Rouge tomorrow and drive an S5, though it's supposed to be pouring. At least I get to see how the Quattro works [thumbsup]
Oh, and sno duc, thanks for jogging my memory about the ED and PCD options. That makes the 335is sound even better.
If you need a copilot, I'm up for more Autobahn time. ;) [evil] und Ich sprechen ein bisschen Deutsch.
Quote from: swampduc on November 29, 2010, 01:07:45 PM
I appreciate the suggestions. Any long term experience with Audi as far as reliability? I like the idea of AWD given that it rains a ton down here in the swamp.
The RS4 was first on my list until I checked around and found that they were virtually impossible to find. Not many were sold in the States.
Jesus, it sounds like an extended warranty would pay for itself with a Beemer, especially if I go used.
If you're car anal like me and make sure everything is changed and serviced when it's supposed to, you won't have any issues with an Audi. I have a 2001 A4 Avant that I love and will probably drive until it dies...which will hopefully be a while since it only has 83k miles on the odo.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/09-ASTON-MARTIN-DBS-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-L-K-/200546563406?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb181b54e#ht_9647wt_1167 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/09-ASTON-MARTIN-DBS-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-L-K-/200546563406?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb181b54e#ht_9647wt_1167)
Done
Quote from: swampduc on November 29, 2010, 01:36:34 PM
[laugh]
Not a bad thought. Talked to my car broker friend today, and he has a line on an 08 M3 with 20k miles for about $50k. I'm also seriously thinking about the 2011 BMW 335is (leaning towards it), and basically leaving the 335i off the list. I'll try to go up to Baton Rouge tomorrow and drive an S5, though it's supposed to be pouring. At least I get to see how the Quattro works [thumbsup]
Oh, and sno duc, thanks for jogging my memory about the ED and PCD options. That makes the 335is sound even better.
F'ingBulldog said he gave you an honest opinion of the 335. Maybe too honest. Still on the list?
Face it. You are now a successful sturgeon. The rules state that you need to buy a MB S-Class. Sorry, rules are rules.
Quote from: Bick on November 29, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
F'ingBulldog said he gave you an honest opinion of the 335. Maybe too honest. Still on the list?
Face it. You are now a successful sturgeon. The rules state that you need to buy a MB S-Class. Sorry, rules are rules.
[laugh]
Rules or no rules, I can't see driving a barge like that yet. Maybe sometime in the future.
I'm still thinking about the 335is. Flynnbulldog gave me honest feedback, but his criticism primarily centered around too many electronic driver aids. Name one luxurious car with high performance that doesn't do that these days. In driving the 3 series, I was impressed by how nimble it feels, and yet how comfortable it is.
I also like the price. I could spend up to about $75k, but I've got to say, this is the first purchase of this magnitude I've ever had the privilege of considering (aside from my house), and the heart rate definitely picks up when I think about spending the whole amount :)
A couple of people have suggested Astons. Gorgeous, yes, but I can't quite afford that yet, the car or the maintenance ;)
On BMW's there is a button marked "DTC". Press it and the electronic nanny is not nearly so annoying. (you can get the rear end to step out [evil]) Press and hold it down for 7 seconds and the electronic nanny is turned off, not really good for long tire life.
I did turn it down on the m3 [evil]
the salesman wouldn't let me turn it off >:(
;D
Drive the c63 yet?
Quote from: muskrat on November 29, 2010, 05:52:21 PM
Drive the c63 yet?
won't be easy to do. I'll probably have to make a trip to Houston for that.
Find a pre-loved, late model S2000 and give Oscar Jackson a call. They offer a centrifugal super charger kit that puts 340 to the wheels (380 in high boost configuration) and retains all sorts of drivability. Those cars handle like you wouldn't believe, are close to bullet proof, and will walk all over cars costing significantly more any time you see a turn. [thumbsup]
Quote from: swampduc on November 29, 2010, 01:18:00 PM
This is one reason I haven't really considered the IS-F. It's not offered with a manual.
Go drive one.
[evil]
Sounds like an old 5.0 Mustang at idle, sings like an IndyCar north of 5K rpms.
Uber smooth.
And fast.
[evil]
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 29, 2010, 06:38:08 PM
Find a pre-loved, late model S2000 and give Oscar Jackson a call. They offer a centrifugal super charger kit that puts 340 to the wheels (380 in high boost configuration) and retains all sorts of drivability. Those cars handle like you wouldn't believe, are close to bullet proof, and will walk all over cars costing significantly more any time you see a turn. [thumbsup]
I sold my 04 S2k about 6 months ago. I was just tired of it. Of course, mine was stock, so it was a little lacking in grunt, but I just didn't want something that "committed" right now. Mine wasn't bulletproof, but it wasn't bad. In the 3 yrs I had it, it suffered a couple of bent exhaust valves and required one replacement convertible top.
Shame. I loved my '07, and really wish I had been able to keep it. Alas, a move to DC and a big bouncy dog kept me from having that thing as an only car.
In that case, the 335is would be a great ride. Get some Dinan parts for the suspension, and give the crazy Jamaicans at AA a call for some software. You'll eat M3s for breakfast.
Quote from: DRKWNG on November 29, 2010, 06:48:09 PM
Shame. I loved my '07, and really wish I had been able to keep it. Alas, a move to DC and a big bouncy dog kept me from having that thing as an only car.
In that case, the 335is would be a great ride. Get some Dinan parts for the suspension, and give the crazy Jamaicans at AA a call for some software. You'll eat M3s for breakfast.
I'm intrigued. Who is AA?
Quote from: swampduc on November 29, 2010, 04:18:38 PM
I did turn it down on the m3 [evil]
the salesman wouldn't let me turn it off >:(
;D
You need to go out with the CA that helped us when we bought the wifes 335.
We were looking at a very low mileage 1 year old Z4.
She went out, came back in 30 - 45 minutes.
Then it was my turn. When we got back the salesman and I both had $hit eatting ;D ;D.
Wife gave me the classic "whatda you do" looks.....I shrugged my shoulders and said "you don't want to know" [evil] :o :D
While I was out stress testing the tires and suspension, she wandered the lot and found her 335.
The really fun part was we were both in "work on the house" jeans and sweat shirts, so when we said Ok, they kinda gave us the 'look', then they ran our credit IIRC 838 at the time.......you can take it home today [cheeky].
Sno duc, earlier you had asked about ethanol in fuel. E10 is standard, but there are 5 stations that sell pure gas. That's what the SBKs always get. On a road trip it woul be different of course. How common are fuel pump failures? The salesman the other day said that bmw had an extended warranty specifically on the fuel pump fir this reason.
Quote from: swampduc on November 29, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
Sno duc, earlier you had asked about ethanol in fuel. E10 is standard, but there are 5 stations that sell pure gas. That's what the SBKs always get.
For road trips. ;)
www.pure-gas.org (//http://)
We have not had any problems, the wifes is an 08 with 30k on the odometer, my dad had one go out on his 135 (he splits time between CO & TX), mines a 2011 only 2k.
From what I've been reading it is a problem, and I really think the ethanol is to blame. Of course no one is going to stick their neck out and map the problems vs ethanol %. Ethanol is kinda the fair haired child right now. However as more auto maker go to direct inject using either a Bosch HPFP or one under license from Bosch, at some point the Feds will have to admit that ethanol is for medicinal uses only.
If your set on a 3 series, consider the 335d. (go test one, it ain't your fathers Olds diesel)
Another BMW to consider is a 1st generation Z4 M. It's more of a pure sports car with a 330 hp NA (no HPFP) six.
Because Alaska doesn't use ethanol, when it comes time to replace my 135, I'll propably go with a Z4 3.5, taking delivery in München.
Premature fuel pump wear has been a problem since E10 hit the market. The ethanol reduces the lubricity of the fuel. Direct injection uses higher pressure and the pressure is more critical so the problem is showing up earlier. You will see this on more brands in the future.
Quote from: howie on November 30, 2010, 04:02:19 AM
Premature fuel pump wear has been a problem since E10 hit the market. The ethanol reduces the lubricity of the fuel. Direct injection uses higher pressure and the pressure is more critical so the problem is showing up earlier. You will see this on more brands in the future.
But E15 is OK for
all cars after 2007 right (sarcastic smiley)?
mitt
gonna throw another german on to the pile
The Audi TT-RS will be released in the US this year. Turbo charged 5 cylinder with Quattro ;D
I LOVED my old TT coupe (not the drop top....hard top only. period.) with quattro.
Too bad the TT is the ultimate trophy wife car. Specially here in the states where it was basically a cool looking golf. You can't get rid of a stigma like that
Yup, beemers might be the only time I would reccomend the extended warranty.
As for the Aston, get it and do the maintenance yourself [evil]
Quote from: El Matador on November 30, 2010, 10:24:06 AM
Yup, beemers might be the only time I would reccomend the extended warranty.
As for the Aston, get it and do the maintenance yourself [evil]
[laugh]
Not gonna happen (the maintenance part).
I was pricing cars this morning with my friend. When you add in extended warranties, options, etc, It looks like I can get a new 2011 335is or a 2009 M3 with about 15k miles for the same price: right at $60k.
Reviewing the forums, it seems like people are fairly split as to which car is better to own, taking into account price and use as a daily driver, not a track toy, where the M3 would clearly be better.
The opinions aren't split on the M3 forum, of course, but wow, what a bunch of arrogant twats. Apparently, our value as human beings is entirely determined by our bank balance and choice in cars [roll]
Quote from: swampduc on November 30, 2010, 10:38:42 AM
[laugh]
Not gonna happen (the maintenance part).
I was pricing cars this morning with my friend. When you add in extended warranties, options, etc, It looks like I can get a new 2011 335is or a 2009 M3 with about 15k miles for the same price: right at $60k.
Reviewing the forums, it seems like people are fairly split as to which car is better to own, taking into account price and use as a daily driver, not a track toy, where the M3 would clearly be better.
The opinions aren't split on the M3 forum, of course, but wow, what a bunch of arrogant twats. Apparently, our value as human beings is entirely determined by our bank balance and choice in cars [roll]
I loved the top gear segment where clarkson was driving the M3 with his 200 dollar sunglasses, bluetooth headset, and popped collar. It was perfect [laugh]
Quote from: El Matador on November 30, 2010, 10:24:06 AM
Too bad the TT is the ultimate trophy wife car. Specially here in the states where it was basically a cool looking golf. You can't get rid of a stigma like that
Yup, beemers might be the only time I would reccomend the extended warranty.
As for the Aston, get it and do the maintenance yourself [evil]
If the top comes down, I'd agree with you. But, I've never seen a hard top TT with a girl behind the wheel...just sayin.
I completely agree with the Aston part though [evil]
This is my 2011 335is
The car is very nearly an M version sans the v8. S version BMW's have a long and legendary history and I think this car does that legend justice.
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/streetfighter/78610d1287625746-what-streetfighter-owners-drive-when-they-not-riding-best-bikes-world-001-small.jpg)
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/streetfighter/78611d1287625746-what-streetfighter-owners-drive-when-they-not-riding-best-bikes-world-dsc_0049-small.jpg)
This was my old 07 vette The vette carries with it a ton of psychological baggage. Some people can deal with it, most cannot.
I find that middle aged women are the most affected by the vette's baggage. That makes me care about it a little less [beer]
At the end of the day, remove the mental stigma and the vette is a better car in every way...
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/streetfighter/78997d1288198637-what-streetfighter-owners-drive-when-they-not-riding-best-bikes-world-vette-small-02.jpg)
But hey, a doctor can't be seen in a vette... How small is your penis anyway? [bang]
Not sure why no one has pointed out the obvious...
Given your current geographic locale, isn't this more appropriate:
(http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/8327342/0612dp_16_z+2006_power_fest+f350_monster_truck.jpg)
Quote from: flynbulldog on November 30, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
This is my 2011 335is
The car is very nearly an M version sans the v8. S version BMW's have a long and legendary history and I think this car does that legend justice.
At the end of the day, remove the mental stigma and the vette is a better car in every way...
Nice car/cars. The lines on the new BMW are killer, and the color on your Vette is gorgeous. [evil]
Quote from: flynbulldog on November 30, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
But hey, a doctor can't be seen in a vette... How small is your penis anyway? [bang]
???
Where did you get the impression that I'm afraid to be seen in a vette? Was it this:
Quote from: swampduc on November 28, 2010, 06:43:27 PM
And diva, valid point about the vette, but I'd like a better balance of sport and luxury. I've got the bikes for pure performance. Plus I'm not 50 and I still have hair. I doubt they'd be willing to sell me a vette ;D
That is what is known as a "joke," for future reference. That is why there is a smiley after it.
No, the primary reason I'm not interested in a Corvette, amazing performance cars as they are, is that I want more luxury with my performance. I've driven Corvettes before. They are in no way, shape, or form, luxury cars.
That's also why I'm not interested in a Porsche, even though, being a physician, that car would be ok for me to be seen in :P
And, as I mentioned before, your 335is is gorgeous [thumbsup]
But I'd prefer a manual transmission.
Quote from: swampduc on December 01, 2010, 07:28:25 AM
And, as I mentioned before, your 335is is gorgeous [thumbsup]
But I'd prefer a manual transmission.
I think the BMW M3 is the better choice:
(http://www.modpark.com/images-2010-images-2010-pictures/Bmw/2011-BMW-M3-GTS3-Limited-Edition-by-Vorsteiner/2011-BMW-M3-GTS3-Limited-Edition-by-Vorsteiner-2.jpg)
(http://www.modpark.com/images-2010-images-2010-pictures/Bmw/2011-BMW-M3-GTS3-Limited-Edition-by-Vorsteiner/2011-BMW-M3-GTS3-Limited-Edition-by-Vorsteiner-e90-e92-e93-1.jpg)
Specs: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Coupe/Features_and_Specs/M3CoupeSpecifications.aspx (http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Coupe/Features_and_Specs/M3CoupeSpecifications.aspx)
That's the decision I've been trying to make ^^^
My budget would allow me to get a new M3, but I seldom spend the full amount I've budgeted myself for toys. So if I buy an M3, it would likely be used. I wonder about the reliability implications about a tiny 4.0L V8 that revs to 7400- that's a race engine, and race engines often don't provide longevity.
As a daily driver, the M3 might not be better than the 335is due to the need to wring it out to get the performance.
It is, however, an M3... [evil]
It's a tough call.
How about a loaded new Challenger with the biggest engine they can put in it (R/T??)? Horsepower along with tons of torque. [evil] Cooler than the 335 IMO, although maybe not as cool as the M3. Cheaper though.
Quote from: swampduc on December 01, 2010, 09:16:05 AM
As a daily driver, the M3 might not be better than the 335is due to the need to wring it out to get the performance.
It is, however, an M3... [evil]
Check out this Top Gear clip from 2008 when the M3 V8 was released: BMW M3 vs Mercedes C63 AMG vs Audi RS4 in Spain - Top Gear - BBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaZExdTHHjY#normal)
What would your penis think What would you think about an E46 M3? For my money these are the best looking M3s of the recent generations by a big margin, and they are in the ballpark(-ish) of the E90s, performance-wise. It is well within your budget, leaving you lots of room to mod the tits out of it.
Nice cars, flynbulldog. I would buy a vette, as I suspect many here would. But lighten up a bit, eh? We're all just trying to live vicariously through swampduc here... :)
Quote from: il d00d on December 01, 2010, 10:32:36 AM
What would you think about an E46 M3? For my money these are the best looking M3s of the recent generations by a big margin
+1 [thumbsup] [thumbsup]
I definitely agree that the E46 M cars look far better than the E90/92 series cars. And like I said about the 335is; get the older M, send it to those crazy make the beast with two backsers at AA so they can slap their blower on it and DAMN!!
Hi. Me again. :)
FYI, a bone stock '11 GT500 will run mid-to-high 11s in the quarter equipped with drag radials and will run with (or completely spank, depending on the driver) an M3 on a road course. ;)
Hell, for that matter a properly optioned '11 5.0 GT will run neck and neck with an M3 on a road course....
Just sayin'....
Quote from: Speedbag on December 01, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
Hi. Me again. :)
FYI, a bone stock '11 GT500 will run mid-to-high 11s in the quarter equipped with drag radials and will run with (or completely spank, depending on the driver) an M3 on a road course. ;)
Hell, for that matter a properly optioned '11 5.0 GT will run neck and neck with an M3 on a road course....
Just sayin'....
you're forgetting the luxury portion he's weighing in
Quote from: Speedbag on December 01, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
Hi. Me again. :)
FYI, a bone stock '11 GT500 will run mid-to-high 11s in the quarter equipped with drag radials and will run with (or completely spank, depending on the driver) an M3 on a road course. ;)
Hell, for that matter a properly optioned '11 5.0 GT will run neck and neck with an M3 on a road course....
Just sayin'....
[laugh] you and the woman both, huh?
Having recently driven an e46 and being underwhelmed, and having the opposite reaction with the V8 I'd go with the newer one. Apart from the fact that if you get an e46 you definitely have to buy the extended warranty and you still have to pay for the services, unless you find an awesome deal, I'd pass.
As for the gt500, the problem is that even though its a badass car with badass performance, it still looks a lot like the car every 16 year old is puttering around in. Sorry, but when I'm forking out that kind of money, I don't wanna see it in every other street corner. Call me shallow. On top of that you still have to deal with the american idea of luxury, which is basically pleather and plastic made to look like brushed stainless.
The new M3 is really where it's at. The 335is reminds me a little too much of my old 330i, which is kind of what every 60 thousand dollar millionaire is driving.
Quote from: lethe on December 01, 2010, 04:51:10 PM
you're forgetting the luxury portion he's weighing in
Ahhh, they're plenty luxurious. [cheeky]
Quote from: Speedbag on December 01, 2010, 05:46:28 PM
Ahhh, they're plenty luxurious. [cheeky]
For simpletons like you and I maybe. I was perfectly content running a Mustang as a daily driver at one point that had the interior stripped to bare metal. Now I feel like I'm getting lazy with my Golf having fancy things like heated seats and such. [cheeky]
Simpleton are I.
After a mere CAI, pulley, and tune, my '07 will sport ~540 RWHP this spring. Luxury be damned, hail the eternal smoky burnout.
Quote from: swampduc on December 01, 2010, 07:28:25 AM
???
Where did you get the impression that I'm afraid to be seen in a vette? Was it this:
That is what is known as a "joke," for future reference. That is why there is a smiley after it.
No, the primary reason I'm not interested in a Corvette, amazing performance cars as they are, is that I want more luxury with my performance. I've driven Corvettes before. They are in no way, shape, or form, luxury cars.
That's also why I'm not interested in a Porsche, even though, being a physician, that car would be ok for me to be seen in :P
And, as I mentioned before, your 335is is gorgeous [thumbsup]
But I'd prefer a manual transmission.
Wow my joke came across the wrong way :-X :-\ :'(
I really meant to refer to what those middle aged women tend to say about guys who drive vettes (and lifted trucks) [laugh]
sorry... :-[
You know, I went out and drove a couple of cars today. I found a used z06 with 28 k miles - well it must have been 28k on Siberian mountain passes because it was beat! what a hunk of crap that car was. but the motor was strong and I think vettes are really comfortable to drive.
I also drove a 2SS camaro 6mt 426hp. Nice tight car that drives and rides good but niether of them are near the car of my 335...
Up here where the air is thin and power is choked-out the little turbos do a better job of creating ponys, and I think the bimmer could eat either of them for lunch.
OK maybe not the z06... [evil]
In the end I went home feeling a lot better about my car - I think I'll hang on to it [bacon] [wine]
hehe a little secret... on the way home while sitting at a light, I turned off the DSC and stuck the car in "sport mode" and did a little launch from the light...
GOOD GOD that car is fun and man can it launch. it flat freaked me out! [laugh]
The M3 or the 335is. Get one [thumbsup]
Quote from: El Matador on December 01, 2010, 05:31:46 PM
Having recently driven an e46 and being underwhelmed, and having the opposite reaction with the V8 I'd go with the newer one. Apart from the fact that if you get an e46 you definitely have to buy the extended warranty and you still have to pay for the services, unless you find an awesome deal, I'd pass.
As for the gt500, the problem is that even though its a badass car with badass performance, it still looks a lot like the car every 16 year old is puttering around in. Sorry, but when I'm forking out that kind of money, I don't wanna see it in every other street corner. Call me shallow. On top of that you still have to deal with the american idea of luxury, which is basically pleather and plastic made to look like brushed stainless.
The new M3 is really where it's at. The 335is reminds me a little too much of my old 330i, which is kind of what every 60 thousand dollar millionaire is driving.
Yes, the current M3's V8 puts out more go than the I6 of the E46, but you forgot to take into account my suggestion to then take said E46 to Active Autoworks. You can easily get into the neighborhood of the high 500s once you slap their supercharger onto the car, and it won't take away any of the car's drivability. Plus, the interior of the earlier car is set up SO much nice.
also, to add onto what was said above about an E46, maintenance issues were mentioned and an E46 is an easier to work on vehicle as well as more places/shops have the technology to be able to do things with that chassis as apposed to the more and more dealer only types of things that come with the E90 on up...
I am curious...why has no one mentioned an Infiniti G35 or G37 coupe?
and I am still partial to my intial suggestion earlier in this thread of a clean and unmolested Acura NSX
Quote from: zooom on December 02, 2010, 04:51:33 AM
I am curious...why has no one mentioned an Infiniti G35 or G37 coupe?
Maybe because they're sorta hideous? :)
E46 then Dinan stage 3 and Hamaan body kit.
Although a Vette and GT500 are bad-ass and can probably destroy most anything. When you pull up to a restaurant or event its much classier to be in a high end european sports car.
G35 = every 20 yo in NY with spikey hair wearing a wife beater.
Quote from: Speedbag on December 02, 2010, 08:13:40 AM
Maybe because they're sorta hideous? :)
Quote from: mookieo2 on December 02, 2010, 08:48:56 AM
G35 = every 20 yo in NY with spikey hair wearing a wife beater.
[thumbsup]
And flynn, sorry I misread your joke. I'm just about decided on the 335is, and I'm glad you're enjoying yours.
When it comes down to it, for a car like this, new>used, and I decided that I could spend the 70-75k for an M3, but I don't want to. I've done the same with my house, bikes, etc, ie come up with the budget that I can spend, and then spend less. What can I say, I'm no fun ;)
I really appreciate the help from
Everyone in this thread. Y'all have given me a lot to think about, and I've enjoyed the process. Having looked at so many alternatives, it makes me that much more sure that my choice is the right one for me. The 335is has the best balance of the objective and subjective qualities I'm looking for, including
street performance, looks, comfort, luxury, etc. Plus, with it being new, I can lease it through my practice and get some killer tax benefits ;D
I'm going with the black metallic and saddle brown leather interior, if you want to check it out. I'll post pics when it gets in.
Quote from: swampduc on December 02, 2010, 10:06:47 AM
[thumbsup]
I'm going with the black metallic and saddle brown leather interior, if you want to check it out. I'll post pics when it gets in.
Good luck. That's the best combo. Its what I have on my 328xi. [thumbsup]
Good choice.
I'll have to have you pick me up at the airport next time I make it down to NOLA.
Hopefully you can show me a better road than the Causeway.
sounds like a good choice [thumbsup]
just make sure they don't forget to include the dipstick like they did with my brother-in-laws [laugh]
Quote from: swampduc on December 02, 2010, 10:06:47 AM
eing new, I can lease it through my practice and get some killer tax benefits ;D
I'm going with the black metallic and saddle brown leather interior, if you want to check it out. I'll post pics when it gets in.
thats a brilliant plan! and the color combo is perfect for that car IMO. Can't wait to see the pics.... [thumbsup]
http://store.activeautowerke.com/active-autowerke-ap2-for-135-335-535-w-n54-p112.aspx (http://store.activeautowerke.com/active-autowerke-ap2-for-135-335-535-w-n54-p112.aspx)
[evil]
Quote from: DRKWNG on December 02, 2010, 01:43:05 PM
http://store.activeautowerke.com/active-autowerke-ap2-for-135-335-535-w-n54-p112.aspx (http://store.activeautowerke.com/active-autowerke-ap2-for-135-335-535-w-n54-p112.aspx)
[evil]
sweet [evil]
Quote from: Le Pirate on December 02, 2010, 11:35:54 AM
sounds like a good choice [thumbsup]
just make sure they don't forget to include the dipstick like they did with my brother-in-laws [laugh]
new beemer's don't have a dipstick jimmy
The kittens must die!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4NZSHVfobE&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4NZSHVfobE&feature=player_embedded#)!
Yes, Yes, Oh God, YES!!!
Quote from: Bick on December 02, 2010, 05:46:58 PM
The kittens must die!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4NZSHVfobE&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4NZSHVfobE&feature=player_embedded#)!
Yes, Yes, Oh God, YES!!!
Amazing car!! Liked the way the brake lights were doing their thing around the 4:30 mark as well. [thumbsup]
That was awesome
I need a cigarette after that
And I don't smoke
Bick, that car likes to hang the tail out a little, doesn't she?
Why is that? ;)
Quote from: swampduc on December 02, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
Bick, that car likes to hang the tail out a little, doesn't she?
Why is that? ;)
Don't most girls with nice asses like to shake them a little? ;D
And, Bulldog -
Per our conversation the other day, does this meet your needs?
Top Gear - Noble M600 (Full) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpgehZZHMcI#normal)
Quote from: flynbulldog on December 02, 2010, 02:41:34 PM
new beemer's don't have a dipstick jimmy
I know that.....
sarcasm, my friend, sarcasm
*still think it's retarded though
congrats on your decision, swamp. i'm late to the party on this thread, but i can definitely relate. the idea of one-day owning an M3 was what made me study hard in school. when i finally got the point where i could afford it, i happily pulled the trigger on a black E46. i loved that car to death. (not literally) it put a smile on my face everytime i drove it. hope you have the same experience. [thumbsup]
QuoteAnd, Bulldog -
Per our conversation the other day, does this meet your needs?
Exactly... a performance car - sans the nanny [moto]