I took Jess to the airport tonight
and
came home after picking up my new-to-me 300WM
figure I'll see if it fires
So I lay-in-wait for the giant brown dog that knocks over our trash cans
he shows up
ease the safety off
<click>
his ears come up
tail begins to wag
he comes over and begins licking the end of my new rifle
up close he is pretty banged up
looks like a car recently took his eye and completely caved in the side of his head
pulled out my pistol to put him down...that injury has to hurt...
he sat down and began thumping his tail on the porch
couldn't do it
did you feed him too?
no putting hin out of his misery?
its not about you
its about a suffering animal
should have put the poor thing down
man-up next time
Grace have a new friend?
Quote from: Buckethead on April 23, 2011, 07:03:11 AM
Grace have a new friend?
she does
they played for about an hour
Quote from: RAT900 on April 23, 2011, 06:58:23 AM
its not about you
its about a suffering animal
should have put the poor thing down
man-up next time
[roll]
and besides my own arrogance that "I" know what is best
what parameters do I use to guage that an animal needs to be put down?
I know personally that no amount of pain would make me want to be killed
I can only assume that the dog felt the same way
he got to play with grace and he ate the rest of the chicken soup
left with a wagging tail
that came off as dickish
my appologies, Im rather high right now
you are probably right as to needing to put the dog down
but
even with the wound the dog was friendly and appeared happy
I suppose I could have manned up
but
I always wonder why they shoot horses instead of letting them heal
Quote from: Jacob on April 23, 2011, 08:41:13 AM
~SNIP~
I always wonder why they shoot horses instead of letting them heal
AFAIK, not so long ago, that was done when horses broke a leg, as they wouldn't recover.
Seems they can save then nowadays at great expense, I remember a couple (?) of big-time racehorses in the last couple years.
But probably only done when they can earn more healed than what it cost to fix 'em.
Quote from: Jacob on April 23, 2011, 08:41:13 AM
that came off as dickish
my appologies, Im rather high right now
you are probably right as to needing to put the dog down
but
even with the wound the dog was friendly and appeared happy
I suppose I could have manned up
but
I always wonder why they shoot horses instead of letting them heal
you talk about a dog with a crushed-in skull...and how you can't put it down
scumming up my morning with a sad story
that you made even sadder
what the make the beast with two backs do you expect?
First you were gonna burn him down with a 300WM for "knocking over your trash can", but instead you let
him walk up to your ambush site and lick your balls.
You should start feeding him. Then he won't need to go into the trash can.
yeah, why are we not actually trying to take care of this animal instead of trying to put him down?? a society is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable...
exactly...cure it or kill it....letting it suffer is inhumane
Quote from: RAT900 on April 23, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
exactly...cure it or kill it....letting it suffer is inhumane
i dont know if he should be making the decision to kill it though, there's not a vet or animal shelter it can be taken to???
If it's well enough to to be hungry enough to forage for food, then play, it's probably well enough to easily survive. I wouldn't have shot it either
Quote from: Monster Quack on April 23, 2011, 10:50:02 AM
yeah, why are we not actually trying to take care of this animal instead of trying to put him down?? a society is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable...
A stray dog is not part of society. Anthropomorphise them all you want, it is still a dog and it would eat your dead body if hungry.
Nature will take its course. If it is hurt badly, it will die, if not, it will keep knocking over your garbage cans.
uh you could have called the animal shelter while you entertained him
It is real easy to criticize. Our furry and feathery friends cannot tell us when it is time. Jacob stuck with that difficult decision. And that is that. I will not criticize since I was not there.
Quote from: howie on April 23, 2011, 12:34:34 PM
It is real easy to criticize. Our furry and feathery friends cannot tell us when it is time. Jacob stuck with that difficult decision. And that is that. I will not criticize since I was not there.
His decision was to kill the dog, gun misfired if <click> means the same there as here. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on April 23, 2011, 01:32:32 PM
His decision was to kill the dog, gun misfired if <click> means the same there as here. ;)
Maybe <click> is the safety coming off ;)
Quote from: Jacob on April 23, 2011, 08:41:13 AM
I always wonder why they shoot horses instead of letting them heal
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070412055136AAcnBD0 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070412055136AAcnBD0)
http://askville.amazon.com/horses-put-break-leg/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=5215220 (http://askville.amazon.com/horses-put-break-leg/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=5215220)
Don't know if I could put down my own dog but a stray??
If the dog appears to be doing OK then let it go. Nature will atake it's course.
Quote from: Dan on April 23, 2011, 01:41:32 PM
Maybe <click> is the safety coming off ;)
yep, "click" was safety coming off
I didn't fire because the dogs reaction to the click was anything but aggressive
and
All the neighbors have said the dog was aggressive, that is what initiated the ambush
when I saw it was just big, dumb, and happy I decided to further evaluate the issue
so now the day has progressed
was telling my buddy down the street how I couldn't kill the dog and how I had mixed feelings over putting it down or letting it live as it seemed happy enough
he says "that big chocolate lab" "the one that's in everyone's trash cans"
I say "yep, that's the one"
He says "that's Ray's dog"
I pause...Ray Burke... the nice man who plowed our entire road this winter for free
"Yeah"
I say "I think someone hit it cuz he's all make the beast with two backsed up"
He says "Yeah, Ray hit him with his front loader, that's how he got the dog"
He says " I just shoot him in the butt with a BB gun every so often to send him back home"
I say " oh...good idea"
He says " what were you going to shoot him with?"
Me "my winmag"
Him "JESUS! dude, you live in a neighborhood now, what, where you high...?
Me "I think maybe the Percocet may have had an effect on my judgement"
Quote from: Jacob on April 23, 2011, 02:21:10 PM
<snip>
Him "JESUS! dude, you live in a neighborhood now, what, where you high...?
Me "I think maybe the Percocet may have had an effect on my judgement"
there goes the neighborhood.
I now has the sads ....... on many levels.
Learned a good lesson there never use a safety when hunting.
Allways chamber a round and half cock the bolt.
Then slip the bolt closed nice and quite when time to fire. ;)
And it is allways hard to put down an injured animal especially mans best Friend :'(
Percocets will definitely cause you to make irrational decisions.
Pretty good for some pain but very bad to get on.
After my last crash , I was on them for 6 months.
They are difficult to get off of as in addictive.
Word to the wise...get off them as soon as possible .
I never rode on them.
Dolph [moto]
Ever shot anything with a .300 winmag? Makes a big mess.
You made the right decision.
Quote from: rgramjet on April 23, 2011, 07:24:46 PM
Ever shot anything with a .300 winmag? Makes a big mess.
You made the right decision.
Yup.
It's pretty 'sploderific.
My gun dealer called it his "eraser rifle." Pretty much didn't matter how far away it was, he put his 250 yd-zeroed crosshairs on whatever was eating his crops, pulled the trigger, and it disappeared.
I enjoyed reading all of the armchair quarterbacking making you out to be the bad guy. The dog acknowledging you as "not a threat" kinda sealed it for me.
I have a soft spot for one-eyed rescue animals. The fact that the guy who hit him later gave him a home gives me a warm IZ_. If only he'd give him enough food so that his dog wouldn't have to raid your trash, then everyone would be golden.
Then again, maybe he just hits your cans cause he likes em.
Let me draw a parallel for you..
My dog gets plenty of food
Yet
She can't keep her face out of the litter boxes
Dogs are dogs.
This choco lab is huge
120+lbs easy
he's eating good
the one eye and banged up head make him super intimidating though
I understand why the other folks around here fear him
grace seems to be a moderate judge of character and she brought him her ball
Quote from: Jacob on April 23, 2011, 07:46:05 PM
grace seems to be a moderate judge of character and she brought him her ball
Daaawwwwww....
I know someone who had a Dog and that Dog for the last 2 years looked like it would fall over and die any day.
I kept telling the people when I'd stop , which wasn't that often , that the Dog looked like it must be in such pain .
They insisted that the Dog could eat and go outside to do it's business and even though it was a bag of bones , it didn't seem to be in pain.
They asked me to stop over one day when they had to be gone for a couple of days and feed it and let it out.
It didn't act like it knew where it was , but it finally went out with some help and did it's business , walked around for a couple of minutes and then came back in.
Finally, when the dog that should have been 100 lbs. got down to 35 lbs . the owners had it put to sleep.
I think they should have done it much earlier for the Dog's sake.
I know , I have a Dog and I won't want to let him go.
My previous 2 have had to be put to sleep due to Cancer.
Dolph
Quote from: bobspapa on April 23, 2011, 03:44:45 PM
I now has the sads ....... on many levels.
I'm with you.
I'm glad you didn't kill him. Poor thing. Sounds like he needs some kindness, a shared ball, and some chicken soup.
Quote from: Vindingo on April 23, 2011, 11:26:06 AM
A stray dog is not part of society. Anthropomorphise them all you want, it is still a dog and it would eat your dead body if hungry.
Nature will take its course. If it is hurt badly, it will die, if not, it will keep knocking over your garbage cans.
& as he found out later, it's NOT a stray, it's someones pet. & even if it were a stray what difference does that make??
Quote from: Monster Quack on April 24, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
& as he found out later, it's NOT a stray, it's someones pet. & even if it were a stray what difference does that make??
you're right... dogs that are pets aren't part of society either. your quote "a society is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable..." is completely irrelevant.
Okay,
So what I get from this is that Jacob was going to "take care of" a dog that was menacing the neighborhood and intimidating people.
Through fate/luck/destiny/whatever, he never took the shot and ended up helping the poor creature instead. His dog made friends with the dog, and he found out later it belonged to a neighbor who had rescued it after hitting it with a large piece of machinery.
Because of the dog's disfigurement, it seems like it was generally regarded as "dangerous" by the locals. That prolly figured into Jacob's decision to take it out (besides the percocet). ;)
Jacob's compassion didn't allow him to follow through after he re-assesed the situation.
When I ended up in the hospital half-dead from a blood infection and swelling putting pressure on my brain stem, Jacob (and Mr.I) without ever having met me, drove an hour and a half to come get me. He could have said, "make the beast with two backs that guy.... From what I know about him from the Forum, he's an asshole" and not done a thing.
What I'm taking from his story is the "Don't judge a book by it's cover" thing. If you take time to learn about something or someone, you'll probably find out they're not what you originally thought.
I am an asshole, though... :-*
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on April 24, 2011, 12:17:27 PM
I am an asshole, though... :-*
but maybe you belong to someone
who was the cause of how terrible you look
I thought you were chatty
and
felt bad for not stopping and putting real food in you
I think the gas station meal after the hospital stay contributed to the several naps that day
The dog saga continues
today I venture out into the rain to clean up the garbage <dog needs a name> scattered around last night while I slept
one drawback of grace making friends is once she gets a person/animals sound and smell in to her she no longer alerts when that creature is around
Quote from: lethe on April 24, 2011, 12:24:14 PM
but maybe you belong to someone
who was the cause of how terrible you look
My ex... ;)
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2011, 12:29:55 PM
I thought you were chatty
and
felt bad for not stopping and putting real food in you
I think the gas station meal after the hospital stay contributed to the several naps that day
[laugh]
I don't remember the gas station meal, but I
do remember the naps.
I think I was glowing at some point, too... ;)
[bacon]
Quote from: Vindingo on April 24, 2011, 11:07:06 AM
you're right... dogs that are pets aren't part of society either. your quote "a society is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable..." is completely irrelevant.
i think you are irrelevant & you're missing the point
Hey Quack,
You might want to lighten up a bit until you get to know your way around here and get a few more posts under your belt.
Also there's a no name calling or personal attacks rule.
Vindingo said your statement was irrelevant, you called him out personally.
Just say'n...
Then again, I'm not a mod, so feel free to disregard my well intentioned advice...
Play nice, boys. ;)
[bacon]
A year from last February on a 15 degree day, I saw a scrawny looking dog walking down my street. I noticed him but kept on going with my day.
Later on my neighborhood listserver, I saw post after post about a dog turning over trashcans.
When night came, I said to my wife that when I saw another post that listed his whereabouts, I was going to look for him. No more posts.
The next morning at 6:30, my neighbor called and said they had him eating in the front yard. Did I have a leash?
I went outside and saw a trembling bag of bones with a clothesline tied around his neck (too tightly). I knew the second I met him, he would be my dog.
I tested him thoroughly and he slept in my room that night and ever since.
Miles is the best, most attached dog I've ever had.
He ate 15 lbs of food the first weekend and now has a lazy boy recliner all to himself.
Wonder if you have a similar situation.
Good story. [thumbsup]
Name the dog Ron.
Large mishapen head.... check
Survived assination attempt....... check
Adored once known........ check
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on April 24, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
Hey Quack,
You might want to lighten up a bit until you get to know your way around here and get a few more posts under your belt.
Also there's a no name calling or personal attacks rule.
Vindingo said your statement was irrelevant, you called him out personally.
Just say'n...
Then again, I'm not a mod, so feel free to disregard my well intentioned advice...
Play nice, boys. ;)
[bacon]
thanks for the advice. for the record, not a boy. i'm extremely passionate about animal issues & he may have frustrated me a tad.
Quote from: Monster Quack on April 24, 2011, 05:05:06 PM
thanks for the advice. for the record, not a boy. i'm extremely passionate about animal issues & he may have frustrated me a tad.
I can understand where you're coming from
I'm feel the same way about issues regarding mistreated children...
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on April 24, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
Hey Quack,
--edit--
Play nice, boys everybody. ;)
[bacon]
Oh, and before I forget... welcome to the DMF Monster Quack. [moto]
There are a lot of good peeps on here, once you get to "know" them. [thumbsup]
[bacon]
Quote from: The Bacon Junkie on April 24, 2011, 05:16:55 PM
I can understand where you're coming from
I'm feel the same way about issues regarding mistreated children...
Oh, and before I forget... welcome to the DMF Monster Quack. [moto]
me too about the kids.. kids & animals are the quickest way to get me fired up on a subject.. thanks for the welcome... i've been around a while, just never posted much :)
pm sent
so as not to jack this thread any further. 8)
[bacon]
Quote from: Monster Quack on April 24, 2011, 03:25:20 PM
i think you are irrelevant & you're missing the point
[clap] well thought out, eloquent response.
[laugh]
Quote from: Vindingo on April 23, 2011, 11:26:06 AM
A stray dog is not part of society. Anthropomorphise them all you want, it is still a dog and it would eat your dead body if hungry.
Nature will take its course. If it is hurt badly, it will die, if not, it will keep knocking over your garbage cans.
[laugh]
damn, I missed this one
Vin
I would eat
your dead body if I was hungry...enough
Quote from: Jacob on April 25, 2011, 12:37:01 AM
[laugh]
I would eat your dead body if I was hungry...enough
[thumbsup]
Personally, I have always wondered what it tastes like...
Quote from: Vindingo on April 25, 2011, 06:25:34 AM
[thumbsup]
Personally, I have always wondered what it tastes like...
Very close to pork I've heard
Quote from: Vindingo on April 25, 2011, 06:25:34 AM
[thumbsup]
Personally, I have always wondered what it tastes like...
Quote from: alfisti on April 25, 2011, 06:27:16 AM
Very close to pork I've heard
That means.....
BACON??!!! :D
[bacon]
High Powered Abstract Art (300 Win Mag & 6 Spray Paint Cans) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOLkzL8wBdU#normal)