SF 848 might be my next bike...
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ducati-streetfighter-848-1198/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/ducati-streetfighter-848-1198/)
I think somebody in Ducati was listening. 848 SF FTW!
If by some miracle I get to buy a new bike (ever) it'll be the 848 Streetfighter ;D
wow
2012 looks like a big year for Ducati.
wonder if that means they may look at an 848 MTS or Diavel?
Interesting!
Awesome bikes but too high for me. Waiting for (might wait forever) for this upgrade on a monster [coffee].
YES! been wanting to make an SF848 my 2nd bike ever since the SF debuted! Oh yes...
2011 848 EVO MSRP - 13k
2011 SF (1098) MSRP - 15k
Are they going to get that detuned 848SF down to 11k MSRP? Or are they going to be jacking up the prices of all the bikes across the board with the new SBKs at the top end and street fighters still coming in at the $14-15k range?
I think the spectacular 848 sales have been largely due to the fact that it was priced similarly to the 750GSXR and the 675.
I think if I had to spend even $13k to get a detuned 848 motor that the 675 would start looking a hole lot more appealing.
sac
wet clutch?
i remember that thread a while back saying this would never happen...
glad it did though and this just basically decided my next bike :)
Quote from: Raux on July 27, 2011, 11:40:04 AM
wow
2012 looks like a big year for Ducati.
wonder if that means they may look at an 848 MTS or Diavel?
I was just talking with the parts guy at my dealership and we both agree that an 848 MTS should be the next move. With the drop in displacment, the price would drop and be in the right range for many. Either way, the MTS is going to be my next bike, I just wish I could spring for the Pikes edition
Quote from: thought on July 27, 2011, 03:14:01 PM
i remember that thread a while back saying this would never happen...
glad it did though and this just basically decided my next bike :)
+1
I remember that thread too.
And I'll be looking to have this bike in the future.
Quote from: toudg on July 27, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
Awesome bikes but too high for me. Waiting for (might wait forever) for this upgrade on a monster [coffee].
Never gonna happen. As long as the Streetfighter is in the lineup, Ducati will never build a water-cooled Monster.
Quote from: Heath on July 27, 2011, 02:26:26 PM
wet clutch?
The 1198 is using the 11 degree motor from the MTS, so yes. [thumbsdown]
I want the 848 big time!
That is awesome.
so it looks certain.
Ducati is dropping the dry clutch.
Trellis frame on the SBK
L-Twin on the SBK
wonder when Desmo goes away and they start manufacturing in Tunisia
I wouldn't worry, people also thought ducati lost their way when they got rid of bevel drives. What makes a ducati a ducati goes far deeper than a few mechanical design aspects, especially if those aspects become outmoded. (as it happens, I much prefer a wet clutch for street riding).
the list things i would like to see in the new sf's...
848 = destroked engine based on the mts1200/diavel for the service intervals - i think this might happen as the 848 engine production will end soon and they probably want to consolidate the manufacturing as much as possible.
dtc across the board - i'm guessing this wont happen and they might save it for the s versions. and the 848 prob wont get it at all.
abs as a option/standard - on the sf1198 i'm guessing it will prob happen as the mts/diavel already has it, dunno about the 848
fixing the headers so they wont crowd your right foot anymore - possible
Quote from: bikepilot on July 28, 2011, 04:51:45 AM
I wouldn't worry, people also thought ducati lost their way when they got rid of bevel drives. What makes a ducati a ducati goes far deeper than a few mechanical design aspects, especially if those aspects become outmoded. (as it happens, I much prefer a wet clutch for street riding).
Bevel drive with shims to drive the cam ? Who the hell thought they lost their way ? The dry clutch, the treillis frame and now the L-twin are much more than a few "mechanical design aspects". Its pretty much the core of my decision to buy a Duc. No wonder I didnt change my S4Rs. But since sales are rocketing, I must be one of the last reluctant. I understand their choice is driven by performance but if i compare the current lineup with my decision matrix (aesthetic, feel, etc), the s4rs is a keeper ...
Sorry for my "lousy english, third lang here.
Quote from: bikepilot on July 28, 2011, 04:51:45 AM
I wouldn't worry, people also thought ducati lost their way when they got rid of bevel drives. What makes a ducati a ducati goes far deeper than a few mechanical design aspects, especially if those aspects become outmoded. (as it happens, I much prefer a wet clutch for street riding).
As much as the purists love to complain, if a company doesnt evolve it stagnates ust look at hd, they were once some of the fastest, best performing bikes around. Now they're the laughingstock of the motorcycling community. As lonf as ducati keeps the desmo, it shouldn't be a problem anyways.
would be sweet if they make SF796. lower seat and slightly higher bar.
Quote from: El Matador on July 28, 2011, 08:45:44 AM
look at hd, they were once some of the fastest, best performing bikes around. Now they're the laughingstock of the motorcycling community.
100 years ago anything was fast and they are also evolving to cater to the 45+ crowd that likes to ride slow versus the go fast bikes; riders constantly aging. The same "dated" argument could be said of the mechanical aspects of air cooled ducs when you compare Yamaha's FZ8 versus the 796 or even 1100. They still hold a 53% market share with $1.1 billion in motorcycle sales revenue (over a quarter, in addition to moto sales, comes from clothing) and they too are moving to cater to changing demographics. Hell, Europe accounts for over 50% of their international sales and Japan up to almost 6% - explain that to me. All evolve and it's our choice what we buy but to say it's the laughing stock of the community is ridiculous. If this were true we'd see Japan and Europe sales decreasing and they are the sport oriented communities versus the American market which is largely still the lumbering crowd.
I like the 848 SF concept but still don't like the design so I wont be buying shit and hanging on to my M900 and S4R no matter how "updated" it may be.
If they make a "Dark" version, I would buy one.
stopped by the dealer today to check something and asked about the sf848 and he said it was def coming, but didnt know when.
Quote from: Travman on July 27, 2011, 06:20:38 PM
Never gonna happen. As long as the Streetfighter is in the lineup, Ducati will never build a water-cooled Monster.
Yep. The S4R became the Streetfighter.
Quote from: El Matador on July 28, 2011, 08:45:44 AM
Now they're the laughingstock of the motorcycling community.
[roll]
I heard Ducati is making a motard. :P
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2012-Ducati-Streetfighter-848-yellow.jpg)
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2012-ducati-streetfighter-848-spotted-wild/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2012-ducati-streetfighter-848-spotted-wild/)
sf848 spy shot
guess it's real... lower spec forks and brakes from the pics (m1100 spec)
It doesn't look hateful in yellow, at least from this angle.
And cue gasps of realized expectations with the lower-spec bits and pieces.
yeah, i expected the lower spec components... but what i'm still holding out for is the 15k service intervals. pretty sure that's a big long shot though.
i do wonder if it's going to offer abs though. and the yellow is pretty meh for me... that particular shade in that pic looks a bit too school bus yellow imo. prev yellow ducs looked a bit less orange to me.
I'm assuming, for the moment, that the particular yellow showing up in the picture is the fault of lighting.
My guess is it'll be the same shade of yellow Ducati has been painting things for 20+ years. Which, in fairness, is a pretty good shade.
the color combo's i would love to see it in is one like the current 848evo, red frame/wheels and matte white plastics.
barring that, the other would be the senna colors... dark grey plastics and red wheels/frame.
the new monsters have a spoiled me a bit though... now its kind of annoying thinking of bike color combinations and knowing that you cant as easily switch around the colors if you get bored of what you have currently.
Quote from: nikkimonster on July 29, 2011, 02:07:03 PM
would be sweet if they make SF796. lower seat and slightly higher bar.
Agreed on the lower seat...33" on the existing Streetfighter is too tall for my short inseam.
Quote from: thought on August 08, 2011, 06:12:09 PM
prev yellow ducs looked a bit less orange to me.
ahem...
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Moto/DSC00185.jpg)
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 08, 2011, 08:37:16 PM
ahem...
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/Moto/DSC00185.jpg)
Everytime i see your bike i spend countless hours looking for 1 on sale.
I stand corrected on the topic of what yellow Ducati paints things. They have the yellow they've been using for 20-something years, and the somewhat orangier yellow they used in the 60s and 70s and then tracked down cans of again for their retro bikes. ;D
Quote from: iRam on August 09, 2011, 09:43:11 AM
Everytime i see your bike i spend countless hours looking for 1 on sale.
Funny you should mention that. I get closer and closer to selling it each season.
Quote from: iRam on August 09, 2011, 09:43:11 AM
Everytime i see your bike i spend countless hours looking for 1 on sale.
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 09, 2011, 02:11:22 PM
Funny you should mention that. I get closer and closer to selling it each season.
A match made in heaven?
if i ever got a sport1000 i would hands down get it in that color... but i would also hands down need to have a chiropractor on call. haha
but also please note the tail end of that sbk in the upper right of the pic for the duc yellow zarn was talking about ;) haha
Quote from: DRKWNG on August 09, 2011, 02:11:22 PM
Funny you should mention that. I get closer and closer to selling it each season.
Let me know when your ready to part ways with your baby [thumbsup]
Quote from: zarn02 on August 09, 2011, 10:50:16 AM
I stand corrected on the topic of what yellow Ducati paints things. They have the yellow they've been using for 20-something years, and the somewhat orangier yellow they used in the 60s and 70s and then tracked down cans of again for their retro bikes. ;D
... and the yellow used on the S2R
... just sayin'
Me wants!!! So it might have been a good thing that I did not buy an 1100evo. I would need to buy it in the US then ship it down to Chile.
i wonder if this will cannibalize sales from the 848 itself?
might help with my quest for an 848... lol
I think SF848 will hurt the SF1X98 sales more than the SBK848.
Quote from: El Matador on July 28, 2011, 08:45:44 AM
Now they're the laughingstock of the motorcycling community. As lonf as ducati keeps the desmo, it shouldn't be a problem anyways.
double- [roll]
Doing away with the high maintenance costs of the desmo might bring more sales, IMO (might bring me back for one). After all, valve spring metallurgy has come a long way. And then you'd be able to buy hot cams from scads of suppliers, rather than the odd few. Put in timing chains while you're at it also.
+1
this is great, so many people pregnant doged and said it was impossible. jerks.
(http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DACD2874-AAD0-4B7F-91EC-04FA8100DEA12.jpg)
LOVE me a Yellow Ducati!
Quote from: Raux on September 07, 2011, 11:41:39 AM
(http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DACD2874-AAD0-4B7F-91EC-04FA8100DEA12.jpg)
LOVE me a Yellow Ducati!
damn, this may have to be the next purchase. owned a 1098 SF and seat height combined with just being too much for the street (for my taste) made me sell it a few weeks later.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/nicky-hayden-teases-ducati-streetfighter-848/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/nicky-hayden-teases-ducati-streetfighter-848/)
he tweeted that it's supposed to be annouced monday...
any engine specs out yet? or is it all a total mystery?
nothing out yet, just that hint for next monday.
pretty sure the sf848 is going to be a huge seller for them. fits the niche of what a lot of monster riders are looking for.
Quote from: thought on September 07, 2011, 02:04:50 PM
nothing out yet, just that hint for next monday.
pretty sure the sf848 is going to be a huge seller for them. fits the niche of what a lot of monster riders are looking for.
yep. once my rs dies (or i get bored) i think that sf848 will be next . . .
Dealer meeting in Miami in two weeks I'm told. Let's see
Quote from: corey on August 10, 2011, 01:55:48 PM
i wonder if this will cannibalize sales from the 848 itself?
might help with my quest for an 848... lol
my hopes as well. A new 848"S" would help too 8)
I had been thinking about buying a MTS next as a touring bike, but a yellow SF848...
I could turn the Monster into the tourer and keep the SF for fun.
specs wise, don't think it will be far off the SBK 848...
would be more awesome if it's an evo motor [evil]
Quote from: jvax on September 08, 2011, 12:33:50 AM
would be more awesome if it's an evo motor [evil]
I'd much rather have the standard 848 motor for a mostly street application. The evo powerplant was "massaged" to get most of its oomph higher in the rpm range. Fine for a bike that will see most of its life on the track, but (lower rpm) torque is the name of the game on the street.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 08, 2011, 03:34:40 AM
I'd much rather have the standard 848 motor for a mostly street application. The evo powerplant was "massaged" to get most of its oomph higher in the rpm range. Fine for a bike that will see most of its life on the track, but (lower rpm) torque is the name of the game on the street.
Fair point.
MMM - Streetfighter 848 is potential candidate to be my next purchase. I wonder if they will upgrade it to ABS like the new Monsters.
Quote from: SA_S2R on September 09, 2011, 05:26:58 PM
MMM - Streetfighter 848 is potential candidate to be my next purchase. I wonder if they will upgrade it to ABS like the new Monsters.
thats what i want to see and what would wind up sealing the deal for me getting a sf848. having abs on a streetbike just makes me feel a lot more comfy.
but i sort of doubt it's going to have it since the the 848 doesnt have it. doubt they would bother engineering a new solution just for the sf. that being said, i can see the sf1198 having it as the diavel/mts does have abs.
Wonder how this will compare comfort and power wise to the Monster 1100 Evo. I sat on both a SF1098 and an 1100 Evo at the dealer. Both were supremely comfortable machines. I did like how the Streetfighter's cockpit layout makes you feel like you're floating in air.
All new bikes sold in the EU are mandated to have ABS in 2013 AFAIK, if it doesn't have ABS I'll be surprised, disappointed and expecting a fancy new sf848 come 2013...
The M696 and M796 have ABS, it's not like they couldn't put it on there. Sigh. I want an SF848 w/ ABS, that's the bike I've wanted since I started riding - a mid sized, naked, liquid cooled Duc.
found this:
http://usridernews.com/2011/07/11/europe-set-to-require-mandatory-abs-for-motorcycles/ (http://usridernews.com/2011/07/11/europe-set-to-require-mandatory-abs-for-motorcycles/)
seems that it'll be 2017 before it's mandatory which is more than enough time for another version of the sf to come out, prob based on the 1199 frame.
i dont doubt they can put it in, but i'm not sure if they are going to do it for what is probably their only current parts bin bike. this will probably be their best profit margin bike in some time as almost all the engineering is already done... sf1098 frame, 848 engine, m1100 brakes... why spend the money on engineering abs in when this bike will prob sell like hotcakes anyway?
^^^ good point
I would buy the bike if it didn't have ABS
I don't expect it to have ABS
I could care less about ABS
All I ever wanted was an 848 SF [bacon] [bacon]
And that's all I have. An opinion
and 848 street fighter is like a dream come true.
Thanks for tracking that down thought, 2017 definitely gives them more than enough time to have a new version.
Personally I think that ABS on street bikes is a good idea, I was thinking of starting a thread to discuss it actually...
Quote from: thought on September 09, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
i dont doubt they can put it in, but i'm not sure if they are going to do it for what is probably their only current parts bin bike. this will probably be their best profit margin bike in some time as almost all the engineering is already done... sf1098 frame, 848 engine, m1100 brakes... why spend the money on engineering abs in when this bike will prob sell like hotcakes anyway?
What you say makes sense, but half their model line now has ABS, and they are heading that way anyway, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for ABS because I really want a bike with ABS.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on September 09, 2011, 09:37:49 PM
^^^ good point
I would buy the bike if it didn't have ABS
I don't expect it to have ABS
I could care less about ABS
All I ever wanted was an 848 SF [bacon] [bacon]
And that's all I have. An opinion
[thumbsup]
I realize everyone has their safety preferences but I want to be left alone and ride without all that crap. Also, if someone finds a headlamp replacement for the SF I might be interested.....in about 10 years. 8)
Quote from: muskrat on September 10, 2011, 08:21:49 AM
[thumbsup]
I realize everyone has their safety preferences but I want to be left alone and ride without all that crap. Also, if someone finds a headlamp replacement for the SF I might be interested.....in about 10 years. 8)
I'm just happy that ABS is finally becoming mainstream on bikes.
You can always turn it off.
Quote from: SA_S2R on September 10, 2011, 03:07:39 PM
You can always turn it off.
Don't count on that always being the case.
I'm with Muskrat. I'd much rather have the option to buy a bike without all that crap: abs, traction control and the like.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 10, 2011, 04:30:20 PM
Don't count on that always being the case.
I'm with Muskrat. I'd much rather have the option to buy a bike without all that crap: abs, traction control and the like.
I'm in that same boat, I ran across this in the ducati dealer- a 2010 Streetfighter S series leftover while I was leering at the 2012 848 Evo's.
(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee442/drunkfatguy/SFSTotal.jpg)
(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee442/drunkfatguy/SFSFront.jpg)
(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee442/drunkfatguy/SFSwheels.jpg)
im feeling a street fighter 848.
Make sure it's over 18.
its lunch after 12!
my sf lust comes from the fact that i could have gotten a 09 sf for about the same price as my '11 796abs. decided for the 796 because i was worried that the sf just might be a bit too much for me... and i've always been quasi regretting that decision. dont get me wrong, i love my 796... but everytime i see a sf i always think... maybe i should have just gone ahead and gotten the sf...
Quote from: SA_S2R on September 10, 2011, 03:07:39 PM
I'm just happy that ABS is finally becoming mainstream on bikes.
You can always turn it off.
I don't want to pay for it regardless of ability to turn it on/off. If I can't get one without then I'll be moving onto other bikes and/or hobbies. Of course, I always have the option of keeping my dinosaurs too.
the thing i'm most interested in is what suspension its going to have, also hope its going to have a steering damper
I'd be surprised if there's actually anyone on this board who could brake more safely in sketchy conditions without ABS than with. That means fewer broken bikes and people. I know some people just don't like having computers do stuff for them (*irony alert* we're on the internet) but I just can't see it happening.
I'm curious about why people are so opposed to ABS & traction control. I have my traction control set to 4 (highest) and have only had it step in once when I was accelerating away from a toll both and went over a wet metal plate. I've been on the track with the bike, left the ABS & TC on and neither activated. I have about 10mm left on my tires and wore down my knee sliders. I'm nowhere near super fast of course but seriously?
[bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
I simply don't want it or need it. You can choose to feel better about your riding with all the gadgets, I for one DO NOT like the shit. Really, that's all and it's my skin on the line.
Quote from: EvilSteve on September 11, 2011, 07:37:41 PM
I'd be surprised if there's actually anyone on this board who could brake more safely in sketchy conditions without ABS than with. That means fewer broken bikes and people. I know some people just don't like having computers do stuff for them (*irony alert* we're on the internet) but I just can't see it happening.
I'm curious about why people are so opposed to ABS & traction control. I have my traction control set to 4 (highest) and have only had it step in once when I was accelerating away from a toll both and went over a wet metal plate. I've been on the track with the bike, left the ABS & TC on and neither activated. I have about 10mm left on my tires and wore down my knee sliders. I'm nowhere near super fast of course but seriously?
I think the best way to describe those who are opposed was best stated by the owner of Radical Ducati. I don't have the magazine with his interview on me, but he does not like all the electronics of modern day bikes. Essentially he called today's bikes 2 wheel cars. He doesn't believe in traction control, ABS, & computers because if something goes wrong, you're screwed. He said he will only build a bike like the way Ducati used to a long time ago.
Quote from: sfarchie on September 12, 2011, 12:29:21 AM
I think the best way to describe those who are opposed was best stated by the owner of Radical Ducati. I don't have the magazine with his interview on me, but he does not like all the electronics of modern day bikes. Essentially he called today's bikes 2 wheel cars. He doesn't believe in traction control, ABS, & computers because if something goes wrong, you're screwed. He said he will only build a bike like the way Ducati used to a long time ago.
So no fuel injection or electric starters for him, I guess. [roll]
Which is more likely to happen - needing ABS to prevent a wreck, or needing to emergency stop just when your ABS has stopped functioning for some reason?
Did I hear right ? Is the SF 848 coming with a dry clutch ?
Quote from: EvilSteve on September 11, 2011, 07:37:41 PM
I have my traction control set to 4 (highest) and have only had it step in once when I was accelerating away from a toll both and went over a wet metal plate. I've been on the track with the bike, left the ABS & TC on and neither activated. I have about 10mm left on my tires and wore down my knee sliders. I'm nowhere near super fast of course but seriously?
If that's the case, you're obviously not riding your bike hard enough for it to kick in. Either that, or you just never felt it when it did activate.
But seriously, this is just like the cycling world. There's a reason some people still swear by friction shifting and the like: they appreciate the simplicity of it.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2011/September/sep1211-ducati-streetfighter-848-promises-sub-10k-price/Ducati/STREETFIGHTER/_/R-EPI-132673 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2011/September/sep1211-ducati-streetfighter-848-promises-sub-10k-price/Ducati/STREETFIGHTER/_/R-EPI-132673) - potential derby
Don't think anyone mentioned this, but it's official...Ducati's site has the 848 SF.
http://www.ducati.com/news/streetfighter_848/2011/09/12/2251/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/news/streetfighter_848/2011/09/12/2251/index.do)
Matte black is bananaz ! [drink]
[drool]
Quote from: toudg on September 12, 2011, 05:30:45 AM
Matte black is bananaz ! [drink]
a BIG+1 to that ... [clap]
crap, i think i have to get it now... i'm surprised they actually made a 848 Testastretta 11° engine. i guess it should have the 15k service intervals now too?
mts848 is def around the corner i'd say.
If it does come with a dry clutch, then it's a done deal!
Anyone see a price point yet?
This thing looks amazing. Might have to replace the S4R.
-Jimmy
Quote from: JimmyTheDriver on September 12, 2011, 09:21:04 AM
Anyone see a price point yet?
This thing looks amazing. Might have to replace the S4R.
-Jimmy
seen 12,495 as a conjecture
Quote from: duccarlos on September 12, 2011, 07:04:51 AM
If it does come with a dry clutch, then it's a done deal!
According to A&R, it'll be a soggy clutch.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2012-ducati-streetfighter-848/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2012-ducati-streetfighter-848/)
(Nothing there is probably new info, but I didn't see that specific link posted.)
a quick comparison of the sf1098 vs the sf848 makes it look like they might have fixed the issues with the exhaust making you sit pigeontoed on the bike too. the sf848 heat shield looks like it's set in closer to the headers now.
Looks like its going to be a dry clutch. Nice!
Hard to tell, but that looks like the new style wet clutch housing to me. [coffee]
Per the MCN report:
QuoteThe Evo engine will see the back of the dry clutch in the Streetfighter; a traditional engineering element that is increasingly being shunned because of noise regulations.
but that article is rife with errors already... they state that the 848evo is already using the 11 degree testastretta engine. mcn is normally really solid coverage, but it seems they didnt really fact check that article.
Here you go
http://www.ducati.com/news/streetfighter_848/2011/09/12/2251/index.do (http://www.ducati.com/news/streetfighter_848/2011/09/12/2251/index.do)
Nice, very nice, but those mufflers would be the first thing to go.
Trading my 696 for this in a heartbeat.
I don't suppose we could change the name of the site to Ducati Monster/Streetfighter Forum??? ;D [bacon]
Damn, used 1098 SF S, or a new 848 with the 15k service, more comfy ergos (?), and a smarter step up from my 620.....
Fraking LOVE the 2010 S model's color scheme:
(http://image.eurotuner.com/f/editorials/2010-ducati-streetfighter-s/26728678/2010-ducati-streetfighter-s.jpg)
I was under the impression that the 11º motor was wet clutch only. Hope I'm wrong, love the dry clutch. It also doesn't appear to have ABS which will make some happy but there was mention of DTC. DTC and no ABS makes no sense because I think they use the same sensors?
I wonder how much my wife would hate me if I traded my M1100EVO on a dark SF848... :-X
As far as electronics on bikes go, I'm in no position to tell people they can't dislike them, just haven't heard a logical argument against them. The breaking down thing is just code for not liking them. Every EFI motor has an ECU so you're kinda boned no matter what.
Quote from: EvilSteve on September 12, 2011, 03:48:12 PM
I was under the impression that the 11º motor was wet clutch only. Hope I'm wrong, love the dry clutch. It also doesn't appear to have ABS which will make some happy but there was mention of DTC. DTC and no ABS makes no sense because I think they use the same sensors?
I wonder how much my wife would hate me if I traded my M1100EVO on a dark SF848... :-X
As far as electronics on bikes go, I'm in no position to tell people they can't dislike them, just haven't heard a logical argument against them. The breaking down thing is just code for not liking them. Every EFI motor has an ECU so you're kinda boned no matter what.
From everything I've read it's going to be a wet clutch. One big plus will be the reduced service intervals, which will now be every 15,000 miles. Your logic on the ABS makes sense to me, especially as it seems the whole front suspension/brake package is lifted from the M1100, and some of the press states it will have DTC, however the lack of any mention of ABS does not bode well but I'll be keeping my fingers crossed anyway.
This is very, very interesting! I can't wait to see one in the dealership and test ride one! Anyone have any news on the suspension?
Quote from: EvilSteve on September 12, 2011, 03:48:12 PM
I was under the impression that the 11º motor was wet clutch only. Hope I'm wrong, love the dry clutch. It also doesn't appear to have ABS which will make some happy but there was mention of DTC. DTC and no ABS makes no sense because I think they use the same sensors?
but then again, the sfs and the 1198 have dtc, but no abs.
Fair point. It's easy to tell, unless they have moved the servo then the brake lines should be running up under the right hand side of the tank. There'd also be the speed sensor on the left side front hub which I don't see. I guess DTC without ABS is not strange.
so much electronics on bikes these days... make people think they are better then they really are and allows them to ride faster than they are capable of actually riding safely. That being said... LOL... it does have DTC, maybe have abs, and my have a dry clutch... only thing keeping me on the fence is that if it goes the same direction as the 848 SB, and has garbage suspension. It is still a wise decision for Ducati to get back into that segment because stepping up to a 1098,1198 is pretty intimidating to someone who has been riding a 600~ish cc monster
Time will tell....
Any ideas on dimensions yet? Thinking it'll still be around 33" seat height?
How do these adjustable Marzzochi units compare to the Showa's? Can they be tuned (valve replacements) like the Showas, or are you stuck with just replacing the spring? Are they dissimilar units from the 848 Evo SBK?
QuoteAvailable in North America in early 2012, the new fighter is dressed in red for Ducati traditionalists, while yellow makes a return for mid-range purists and "dark stealth" provides a matte-black reminder of the Streetfighter's aggressive image.
Looks like they are making a dark version. [clap]
Local dealer confirms no ABS. He did mention that the bars have been raised 20mm and the ergonomics have generally been tweaked to improve comfort.
Quote from: csorin on September 13, 2011, 07:29:11 AM
How do these adjustable Marzzochi units compare to the Showa's? Can they be tuned (valve replacements) like the Showas, or are you stuck with just replacing the spring? Are they dissimilar units from the 848 Evo SBK?
no idea, but i'm guessing that it should be a drop in upgrade to go to 848/1098/1198/SF/SFS forks for the bike if those marz forks turn out to be crap.
and that's good to hear about those ergos... this bike is sincerely becoming way too tempting now :(
Phew! DTC but no ABS!
I was getting worried I should have waited, and spent the extra $500 for this new 848SF vs the Monster Evo I just picked up!
Quote from: thought on September 13, 2011, 02:08:42 PM
no idea, but i'm guessing that it should be a drop in upgrade to go to 848/1098/1198/SF/SFS forks for the bike if those marz forks turn out to be crap.
As long as the diameters are the same. It took some work to get SBK forks into my Monster. Anyone know what the diameters on the 1100 Evo forks are? Different or same as the current SBK's?
Just got back from my dealer, hes going to some show in the states very soon and told me to stop by next tuesday for all the specs/info on the 848.
Said hes gonna see it hands on and all that good stuff. Will post any info I get on here if I happen to get it before anyone else ;D
ashonbikes.com says they will have a full test on the sf848 on sept 30th. he's a really good reviewer and i'm looking forward to seeing what he says about it.
The sf848 has my attention! I hope it has fully adjustable suspension. This could be my next bike.
Quote from: Armor on September 15, 2011, 06:11:10 PM
The sf848 has my attention! I hope it has fully adjustable suspension. This could be my next bike.
this may be what sets it *aside from the 1098 (or 1198 next year?)
http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2011/09/ducati-streetfighter-848-australian-price-announced/ (http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2011/09/ducati-streetfighter-848-australian-price-announced/)
"If the Streetfighter 848 is priced literally the same way in the US market then the price would be $12,995 exactly in between the Monster 1100EVO and the color version of the 848EVO. If you can embrace the dark side then Ducati will sell you a 848 in 'Dark Stealth' for $12,995 saving you a grand.
If the Dark Stealth version of the Streetfighter 848 is sold at a discount (as to our knowledge has been the case for all previous blacked out Ducatis beginning with the Monster 600 Dark of 1998) then expect it to sit at $12,495 or even $11,995 if we're lucky.
The new model will be available from as early as this November with deliveries in the US expected in January 2012."
Quote from: DucatiTorrey on September 19, 2011, 06:10:13 PM
this may be what sets it *aside from the 1098 (or 1198 next year?)
i highly doubt that it wont have fully adjustable suspension... also, if you take a look at the side view pic on ducati.com you can see little red accents at the bottom of the forks which is where you adjust the suspension on the other sbk forks.
Pricing, horsepower and torque confirmed:
$12,995
132hp
69 ft lbs of torque
http://ducatiusa.com/bikes/streetfighter/848/index.do (http://ducatiusa.com/bikes/streetfighter/848/index.do)
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/2012-ducati-streetfighter-848-price-horsepower/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/2012-ducati-streetfighter-848-price-horsepower/)
Also: fully adjustable suspension, wet clutch, dtc, no abs and still a 33 inch seat height.
http://ducatiusa.com/bikes/streetfighter/848/tech_spec.do (http://ducatiusa.com/bikes/streetfighter/848/tech_spec.do)
Sounds good to me, just wish they would have lowered the seat a little...
Quote from: Roy on September 27, 2011, 08:07:12 PM
Sounds good to me, just wish they would have lowered the seat a little...
https://buymaxtall.com/
;D
i sincerely might get one now
Does anyone think they will have a dry clutch conversion kit?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2011/September/sep2811-ducati-streetfighter-848-launch/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2011/September/sep2811-ducati-streetfighter-848-launch/)
[thumbsup]
The timing could not be worse personally. Vehicles sell usually for double the price they do in the US in this godforsaken country. For the price I could have bought the SF848, I'm looking at a used 696. :'(
Specs. are up on the Ducati website. Fully adjustable suspension.
updated impressions:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2011/September/sep2811-ducati-streetfighter-848-first-impressions/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2011/September/sep2811-ducati-streetfighter-848-first-impressions/)
MCN's Trevor Franklin reports:
"We have just completed a 90km road ride from Modina up into the mountains and the new Streetfighter 848 is indeed proving to be everything I thought it would be. It is a superb road bike consisting of the perfect balance between engine and chassis.
"Ducati has altered the torque curve to make it more linear so it drives instantly the moment you apex the corner.
"The steering and suspension are just perfect. The front and rear suspension is fully adjustable, but no alterations were made to the standard settings. The mountain roads consist of fast flowing bends and tight hairpins, but the baby Streetfighter took it all in its stride. The road surface was equal to any of our poorly maintained B roads and I'm pretty sure the Triumph Street Triple would have tied itself in knots.
"It's going to be an interesting battle between the Triumph and the new Ducati â€" and with MV Agusta Brutale 920 joining the party, 2012 is going to see a battle royal in the naked sector. My only worry is that, at £9995, Ducati may have priced itself into the realms of the elite…."
Quote from: Heath on September 28, 2011, 05:16:52 AM
Does anyone think they will have a dry clutch conversion kit?
motowheels is looking to put kits together that may come in under the ducari performance kit for the 848 which I'm certainwould fit this
just wish they make an economical one for the small case motors
(http://www.motorfreaks.nl/images/stories/nieuws/algemeen%20nieuws/2011/10/Ducati%20Streetfighter848/848SF1.jpg)
new windscreen actually looks pretty good
Quote from: thought on September 28, 2011, 04:24:08 PM
new windscreen actually looks pretty good
+1 I like it. [thumbsup]
Thinking im gonna get the stealth black one and strip it down this winter to paint the frame some sort of gold and do all my accents -mirrors / levers in the same gold. Kinda like the Rizoma bits gold...mmmmm....gold... [drool]
MUST RESIST - NEW BIKE IS ONLY 10 MONTHS OLD!
Same here. 12 months old. :-\
Quote from: iRam on September 29, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
Same here. 12 months old. :-\
i'll buy your 796 from you with big DMF discount!
Lol! Since its my first Duc im keeping that bad boy. Provided i dont get tired with tank problems.
I actually might buy one but I dont want to deal with expanding tanks. Hope that is not the case.
It will be.
Quote from: thought on September 28, 2011, 09:22:30 AM
My only worry is that, at £9995, Ducati may have priced itself into the realms of the elite…."
some merit to that comment.
first full sf848 test up:
http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-streetfighter-848-1 (http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-streetfighter-848-1)
Quote from: thought on September 30, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
first full sf848 test up:
http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-streetfighter-848-1 (http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-streetfighter-848-1)
That was quite a good initial review. Can't wait to try it out. I really liked the original 1098 Streetfighter I rode last year. The reviewer acted like the original was such overkill for the street. I did not feel thar way at all.
Quote from: Travman on October 01, 2011, 06:55:18 PM
The reviewer acted like the original was such overkill for the street. I did not feel thar way at all.
Nor did I. I actually think the larger motor would be more desirable on the street. Well, at least from my perspective anyhow.
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 01, 2011, 07:22:23 PM
Nor did I. I actually think the larger motor would be more desirable on the street. Well, at least from my perspective anyhow.
Ditto. Having logged a few rides on the original Streetfighter and some 13,000 plus miles on an 848 I don't see the need for the smaller Streetfighter either. The 848 has plenty of power but you have to work a bit for it whereas the 1098SF feels effortless everywhere. [thumbsup]
That said the 848SF will probably sell like hotcakes.
Quote from: thought on September 30, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
first full sf848 test up:
http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-streetfighter-848-1 (http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/ducati-streetfighter-848-1)
I own a 2010 Streetfighter S and have put 7500 miles on it. I have to say after reading that review I'd like to test ride the 848. It's not that much less power and if it's really a smoother ride that would be nice. It takes some work to keep the 1098 Streetfighter from being jerky.
Justinrhenry, is your Streetfighter stock? The demo I rode had the Termi/ECU package and it was smooth as silk. There was no work involved to keep it smooth. I thought it was much easier to ride around town than my hopped-up Monster. Maybe that was the difference.
i've read that the sf1098's can have a deadspot around 4k rpm. maybe that's why?
Quote from: thought on October 03, 2011, 10:06:56 AM
i've read that the sf1098's can have a deadspot around 4k rpm.
Pretty much any E3 compliant Ducati with stock exhaust/tuning will.
Quote from: Travman on October 03, 2011, 09:27:39 AM
Justinrhenry, is your Streetfighter stock? The demo I rode had the Termi/ECU package and it was smooth as silk. There was no work involved to keep it smooth. I thought it was much easier to ride around town than my hopped-up Monster. Maybe that was the difference.
It's basically stock. It's an amazing bike and I love it, but the power comes on with the slightest turn of the throttle. It's one of the things I love about it, but it makes it more of a challenge to ride around town and at slow speeds.
When I test rode it I also rode the Monster 1100 and there was a very noticeable difference when you twisted the throttle on each bike. On the streetfighter the power is there immediately. On the monster it's there if you really twist it, but otherwise it gives you a smooth acceleration. Just my 2 cents. I wouldn't want to give up all the carbon fiber... the 848 is a lot of plastic.
My Dealer offered me 8500, derated by 13% for my monster on a trade in towards the 848 SF, its just a 696 with under 5k miles on it and termi's plus some other shiney bits. So that would end up making the price be just over 7k canadian for the bike.
Unsure what i'm going to do, just have to make sure its a fair price on my monster is all i suppose
Quote from: justinrhenry on October 03, 2011, 04:59:35 PM
I love it, but the power comes on with the slightest turn of the throttle. On the streetfighter the power is there immediately.
HELL YES!!
A few of the first things I will do to my new Streetfighter 848 ;D
(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp271/denvercudney/Streetfighter848project.jpg)
Quote from: DukeDenver on October 10, 2011, 10:26:08 AM
A few of the first things I will do to my new Streetfighter 848 ;D
Let us know how the dry clutch conversion goes for you.