Ducati Monster Forum

I saw another thread that had a post about what would you do to customize a Monster with $50,000.

So, I would like to see what a dream build would be.

First
The base bike is a 2012 Ducati Monster 1100 Evo.

(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/jpg/201101/ducati-monster-1100-w.jpg)

Ti frame,CF body work,Ohlins,Marcheseni wheels, Ti stepped headers,Rizoma bling,blah blah dream dream

Ti frame  [thumbsup] would love to see a Ti subframe too!
CF Soloseat
Ohlins all the way around but with WSBK spec stuff, not the ones made for it.
Ti headers and exhausts all the way through!
Ti handlebar
Billet AL triples and riser.
OZ Wheels
CMC Rotors

And the big change....
1198 Motor

Termi's & ECU...

Leave the rest the same & 'mod' it slowly w/normal wear and tear (tires, brakes, tires...)

Also, I'd put the remainder down on a proper garage (likely attached to a house) to store the bike whilst I contemplate further 'mods' over the course of the next 20-40 years.  (Can't rush these things ya know...)

Perhaps some of the fundage would go to procure a proper vehicle with which to transport said Monster EVO to and from the track...  (also while contemplating further mods...)

$50,000 tax free?

I'd buy a $3000 bike and take 4-5 months off and just ride it all day every day.

ok. let me clarify.

you're given $50,000 to mod the bike. can't do anything else with it. and you don't use it you lose it, so no holding onto it.

I'd send the bike and money to Duck-Stew...

He's a helluva lot more creative than I am...  ;)

Or maybe I'd customize the monster by just adding a Panigale S to it!
 [evil]
 
[Dolph]




  [bacon]

I would have to say
CF Wheels
CF Body Panels
Ti frame
Ti subframe
1199 Engine Yes the panigale engine
Custom machined triples with built in guage mod
Ti Clip-Ons
Projector headlight
Shorai Battery
black leather wrapped seat (just for the heck of it)

I know this isn't a Monster, but I'd want to build something like this.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nt1knDXPQbQ/TQvwefTkNCI/AAAAAAAADz0/EoR_v_9uvLU/s1600/Radical%2BDucati%2BRAD02%2BPursang%2BSide%2BView.jpg)

or this...
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/JonTravisKing/Misc/4259527bin.jpg)

or this...
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/JonTravisKing/Misc/VincentEgli2.jpg?t=1242066569)

If it has to be a Monster then maybe I'd finish up Stuart's cafe project with his help.
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/JonTravisKing/Misc/Stews_CafeRacer.jpg?t=1334164753)

I'd start with a Streetfighter, not a Monster

Alright let me try this again

it is a monster dream build with a 2012 evo

i am preparing for winning the lottery

Kineo wheels ~$5k (http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa55/grzlyoz/kineowheel.jpg)
This front end at ~$6k (http://www.perseperformance.com/Photos/Bikes/75_135_1050412056_black.jpg)
Kaemna Demon EVO kit at ~$12k
Most expensive shock I can find for the rear ~$3k?
Shop time to install and tune the above ~$15k?

NOS S4RS to ride while all that work is being done ~$10k  [evil]

 ???

I love OZ wheels...but if I had $50K to mod a bike then it would be BSTs for sure.

Pipe wrap, mothermake the beast with two backsers.  $50,000 worth of mothermake the beast with two backsing header tape.  Allllll day.

TI Frame
BST wheels
Major engine work (High comp pistons, headwork, lightened flywheel, slipper clutch)
Farkles (Billet everything and TI bolts)
Carbon fibre tank / bodywork
High-End Ohlins on both ends.
Custom Ti megaphone pipes and header
ECU upgrade / Tuning

 [laugh] [laugh]

gold lame pipe wrap.. REAL gold

Ok, ok...  I get it.  I'll play along now:

NCR make the beast with two backsIN' EVERYTHING (1200cc's (unless they make a kit for more), cams, ecu, exhaust)
BST's
Custom Titanium exhaust that's siiiiiiiiiiiiiiick....
Ohlins suspension from a GP bike
CF sub-frame
CF triples
CF tank (painted like somethin' old-school cuz that's how I roll)

& if there's any $$$ left, new gear for me.

I know this isn't a Monster, but I'd want to build something like this.
 

id have to agree

DAMN, I agree with Travman

1100 evo motor  (BUILT, running carbs)
frame from http://www.f042.com/ (http://www.f042.com/)
NCR/Ohlins front end, TTX rear, ohlins damper
Ti GP style exhaust
custom CF bodywork/airbox
evan wilcox Aluminum tank
 forged mag rims
brembo 4-484 calipers w/ carbon disks and the master cylinders from a D16

Lots of NCR to fill in the gaps,
definitely wont cost 50k but thats still way more bike than any mortal needs, and maybe I can talk somone into letting me do a streetbike with the leftovers...

streetbike:

1100 evo (not as heavily built,again with carbs)
Ti SS frame, aluminum S*R style swingarm
ohlins road and track forks/ttx/damper
forged mag rims
wilcox tank, front fender, seat
900ss style half fairing



these lists are always so hard because I would be much more excited about being able to pay the costs associated with making (or having awesome people) build custom parts then about being able to afford "bling" parts.

Like this.  Step one, phone my local NCR representative.  Step two, order an M4.  MSRP $49,900.  Step three, save $100 for gas money.

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/ncr-m4-one-shot/ncr-m4-right-side-3.jpg)

Trump.

I feel like an effin idiot with the money spent on my build and I'm prolly about 20K or so...  [bang]

I have to agree with the others...50K in a Monster would be tough to do. ITS ALL BEEN DONE...At the end of the day I'd be finding myself buying the more expensive items just because I had the money to spend and once on the bike, I'd NEVER know the difference and for that matter, only a small select few would. The difference between the @ 20K I have spent on mine and my "ULTIMATE" would be about $5-7k tops...

Truly, with 50K, I'd start with a better bike. My monster is well beyond any budget, but it started with what fit with in my means.

A Radical Ducati bike meets NCR with all the custom goodies I could come up with might still only tweek my paypal account to 30K

$50k and you want to spend it on one Monster?!  I love my Monster, but your plan is just heresy!   [laugh]

I'd buy 10, that's right TEN used Suzuki Bandits and turn most/all of them into 160+hp, 90+ft•lb 1277s with Spondon or Harris frames and lighter wheels. 

you guys are no fun

This, with my subtle changes.

I think to build an NCR type engine for a true 1200 cc motor is $12k. That would include their $4K crank, their $4k titanium rods, their 102mm big bore kit, titanium valves and other NCR goodies.  A Moto GP front end like that on the Desmosidici would probably be around $10k. That puts you over $20k and we haven't even got started.

+1.   

Take the $20k for the front end forks and 1200cc ncr 'type' motor and add:

Well over $1,500 for a 'works' model Ohlins shock.

Well over $2,000 in ti bolts / axles / pivots.

Another grand for an oil cooler and fancy lines, just to keep it from all melting.

Approximately $4,000 in wheels/tires

Approximately $10,000 in brakes is easy to do using billet monoblocks and GP masters with carbon discs.

There's nearly another $20k gone.    Haven't even touched body, chassis/controls and we're already in the $40's.   Starting to look like we'll need to purchase a used M1100evo at this point. Preferably one with some low-side damage (wheels & forks are often damaged, which is fine - we're replacing them) in order to save where we can.

Top-end Ohlins front/rear/damper
Top-end Brembo calipers, discs, master, pads
Beater Al tank
Ti frame
BST CF subframe
Ti SSS
BST CF wheels
Custom Al triple
Ti rearsets and Ti trellis frame passenger pegs (from here (http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/motocorse/cabinet/01097366/img56199018.jpg))
Ti bolts (from here (http://item.rakuten.co.jp/motocorse/c/0000000170/))
Ti full exhaust (basically Evo version of these (http://www.motocorse.jp/dvc/img/ex1.jpg))
1238 big bore, light flywheel, high comp pistons, light sprockets and chain
Race tuned ECU
K&N air filer
STM slipper clutch
Endless CF bling...

... and the list continues

I'll play....take the M1100Evo and use the 1st chunk for 2 way shipping..

ship the bike to RadicalDucati and give them the rest and tell them to build something like they nothing else they have before


VOILA....done

uh, you mean mag?   Like from RAM?      The only swingarms made out there (worth a darn) are aluminum or magnesium (RAM, Febur, Marvic, Marchesini).  There's been some one-off ti trellis swingarms from folks like Doug of ArcFab (long time gone), but they have never been commercially available or even used in WorldSBK / MotoGP by any team to my knowledge.

ok. good answer.

Just curious about the 1238 cc big bore.  Who makes it? 

Never heard of it either.   But he also suggested a ti swingarm, which doesn't exist.

NCR

http://www.ncrfactory.com/eng/html/03.00.php (http://www.ncrfactory.com/eng/html/03.00.php)

It's listed as a 1200 kit, which I assume is a 102x71.5

Ti Swinger?  hmm

1168, iirc.   I have lots of info on it from when I was interested in having it built into some 749 cases for my 2vSBK

I think they stroker crank is 73mm...   that'd be 1190 (and more fun than the KTM RC8R, heeeyooo!)

how much material do you remove for that or is there room and just tiny clearance?

   There is a guy in Czechoslovakia that has already beat you to it. Current weight is 339 lbs. and I am getting ready to build a Ti Evo frame for him. I don't know what he has in it, but just about everything you guys listed.

I wonder what the same displacement but with 102x66 dimensions and a higher RPM limit would give that motor?

link? pic?

   Sorry, no pics yet. I am building a Ti 95 SS frame for a customer in Luxemburg and then the Ti Evo frame. So it will be a few months. I will be sure to get pics though.

1078.7 
http://www.ducatitech.com/info/bore.html (http://www.ducatitech.com/info/bore.html)

yeah i used that. what i mean is, it's more oversquare than the stock motor but same displacement. would that equate to more power at the top end?

Sorry guys, no details/links around Ti SSS or 1238 big bore.

I did come across some custom part 'enthusiasts' (freaks really) in Japan who appeared to have knowledge of custom shops who make them.

1238 is 105 x 71,5.  I know 3mm over the 102 NCR kit sounds like pushing it, but I did hear of it, so thought I'd drop it in the list.  Same for the Ti SSS...

I've seen 104 pistons on a RS build on the internet. Never seen 105

you'd be boring the cases too

A nero concept.
I think BST wheels, carbon trellis frame, carbon tank, carbon fork outers, carbon swingarm, carbon air box.  All this in the old 888 style Monster frame and tank style, old style carbon headlight fairing with carbon headlight bucket, brackets, etc. Run the NCR 1200 kit in the Evo motor with 45mm Mikuni flatslide carbs like they use on big Harleys.
Carbon, titanium and magnesium.
That should blow some cash pretty quick.
I would stick with the carbed air cooled Monster concept to keep it minimalist.

Sorry, I read your post too fast without really absorbing the question. 

I would think it would be an engine that rev'ed faster and easier compared to the stock displacement 1100 engines. 

I am wondering if it would not have heating problems, which I believe is one reason liquid cooled engines can rev higher, oversquare or not.

I went to 1123 cc with my Monster (100mm bore and stock 71.5 stroke).  It's not very scientific, but I haven't noticed any differences in engine temps. 

four valves get more air meaning more fuel meaning more power meaning more heat

its not the revs