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http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/186492/1/marquez_raises_pace_at_sepang_rides_2013_rcv.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/186492/1/marquez_raises_pace_at_sepang_rides_2013_rcv.html)

golden child gets a day in the dry, lowers his time by two seconds.

2x horsepower, completely different tires, lot heavier bike.. no prob dude.

(http://photos.motogp.com/2012/11/27/marquez_06_original.jpg)
 

Casey who?  [bow_down]

any lower and he's gonna need sliders on his chin

I still don't like him

Grumpy!  ;D

That's fine...I yam what I yam...

so's he...

a douche.

I hope one of the big kids gives him the same treatment he dished out this past season.

I agree. Looks like they're going to have to catch him first though!

If his best time on an empty track qualifies him eighth...

someone will have the chance. ;)

Not to mention that the big boys know how to swap paint too. It's just we so rarely get to see it because, well, you know.....

funny...someone else brought something else to mind that I wasn't thinking that will make a difference too...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121128c.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121128c.htm)

Marquez has had a couple bad crashes. The one at the end of last season comes to mind. He'll be fine mentally I think.

Yup. Fully expect him to come top 3 next season and win a championship before Pedrobot.

And yes, he is a douche, but he's a fast little douche. Let's see how well he does after high siding like Lorenzo.

+1 to this modified version of this....

Fixed it for ya.

He's gonna make Bautista look like a surgeon.

 [laugh]

Top 3 for Marquez this season is possible, but a long shot I'd say. I think he'd need Rossi to have a bad season. I expect JLo, Pedrobot, and Rossi the Whiner to round out the top 3.

I also think Pedrobot has a good chance at winning the championship. He looked very strong at the end of this season. Might be now or never for him, and he probably knows that.

y'all and this douche thing.  it cracks me up.

Well...

he is.  :-*

[laugh]

ok, you're in charge, so if you say so... ;)

the thing he got penalized for in 2011, sure.  but in general hard passes and defensive riding?  there's not a enough of it.

marco, may he rest in peace, was a ton more douchey by that measure the first half of 2010.  marquez may have nearly pedro-le mans'd some riders.. marco actually did it.

i feel like the fact that 'motogp is boring' has made many of you forget that this is historically a contact sport. 

But he's Spanish...

hence he has no personality and can't get away with douchiness.

The Italians have a flair for douchiness. That's why Marco didn't bother me.  [laugh]

Seriously...

hard racing is one thing...making a mistake and taking someone out is forgivable.

His 'style' isn't either of those.

Meanwhile in Jerez...a run whatcha brung free for all was goin down...

Pos No. Rider Bike Series Time Diff Previous
1 58 Eugene Laverty Aprilia WSBK 1:40.185     
2 66 Tom Sykes Kawasaki WSBK 1:40.400 0.215 0.215
3 69 Nicky Hayden Ducati MotoGP 1:40.855 0.670 0.455
4 84 Michel Fabrizio Aprilia WSBK 1:40.956 0.771 0.101
5 50 Sylvain Guintoli Aprilia WSBK 1:41.239 1.054 0.283
6 76 Loris Baz Kawasaki WSBK 1:41.500 1.315 0.261
7 51 Michele Pirro Ducati MotoGP 1:41.720 1.535 0.220
8 33 Marco Melandri BMW WSBK 1:41.800 1.615 0.080
9 29 Andrea Iannone Ducati MotoGP 1:41.834 1.649 0.034
10 66 Alex Hofmann Aprilia WSBK 1:42.103 1.918 0.269
11 7 Hiroshi Aoyama FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:42.509 2.324 0.406
12 8 Hector Barbera FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:42.900 2.715 0.391
13 7 Carlos Checa Ducati WSBK 1:43.089 2.904 0.189
14 19 Chaz Davies BMW WSBK 1:43.400 3.215 0.311
15 86 Ayrton Badovini Ducati WSBK 1:45.452 5.267 2.052
16 4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati MotoGP 1:48.516 8.331 3.064


http://www.motomatters.com/results/2012/11/28/jerez_wsbk_and_ducati_motogp_test_day_3_.html (http://www.motomatters.com/results/2012/11/28/jerez_wsbk_and_ducati_motogp_test_day_3_.html)



I wonder what it was was like with all the different machinery out there...if they alternated classes out or if it was a go out as you like which meant a WSBK coulda been followed by a MotoGP bike while a CRT was chasing them both or anything like that...

now that they are all under one roof, could you ever see a full on series of 3 races of WSBK vs MotoGP?

Look at the Ducati Moto GP times, how embarrassing. Actually, the Panigale aint going too flash either. Wonder if Checa wants the 1198 back?
Bring back the trellis!  [laugh]

to be fair, 1) we really don't know what their testing program is, and 2) it looks like the world superbike guys have had a couple-day head start on test/setups.

In Indy this year Marc rode his bike in the grass after he won waving to spectators up-close.  For that, having been at indy then, I have a soft spot for him. 
I expect lots of contact sport and for Marc to have some podium positions for sure.
But being Rossi and Dovi fan, I hope they do well.  Then Dani and Cal.

The prototypes should have been able to spank the WSBK bikes within half a day. It does look like the GP13 is slightly better than GP12, but these times show that superbikes are running way too close to the big boys.

The 1199 looks to be a huge bust so far. I would like to hope that it's just that the riders that are used to the 1198 have to adjust their style, but I won't hold my breathe.

Maybe not...Thursday times:

Times - SBK: 1. Melandri (BMW) 1'40"816 (50 laps); 2. Checa (Ducati) 1'41"840 (58); 3. Davies (BMW) 1'42"716 (70); 4. Badovini (Ducati) 1'44"529 (64). STK: 1. Neukirchner (Ducati) 1'44"426 (56); 2. Canepa (Ducati) 1'45"256 (28); 3. La Marra (Ducati) 1'45"526 (57).

A second slower than Melandri, but quite an improvement.

But still 1.7 seconds from Laverty's time. That's still a huge gap.

 Hope the P gets up to speed.
It's the GP13 I'm worried about.
With times like that they'll have to dumb down the SBKs. I 'spose it's fair to examine Ducati SBK Vs Ducati GP times and if the gap is acceptable for each marque.

At the risk of being naive/overly simplistic....if the Panigale is using something very similar to the GP "frame" then that must be the biggest constraint on performance, cause the GP engine is much more powerful than the Panigale engine.

? ? ?      No matter how many times I read that it still doesn't make sense.

http://www.motomatters.com/results/2012/11/29/jerez_wsbk_and_ducati_motogp_test_day_4_.html (http://www.motomatters.com/results/2012/11/29/jerez_wsbk_and_ducati_motogp_test_day_4_.html)

Pos No. Rider Bike Series Time Diff Previous
1 69 Nicky Hayden Ducati MotoGP 1:40.090     
2 33 Marco Melandri BMW WSBK 1:40.826 0.736 0.736
3 29 Andrea Iannone Ducati MotoGP 1:40.989 0.899 0.163
4 51 Michele Pirro Ducati MotoGP 1:41.265 1.175 0.276
5 7 Carlos Checa Ducati WSBK 1:41.840 1.750 0.575
6 7 Hiroshi Aoyama FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:41.975 1.885 0.135
7 8 Hector Barbera FTR Kawasaki MotoGP 1:42.507 2.417 0.532
8 19 Chaz Davies BMW WSBK 1:42.716 2.626 0.209
9 86 Ayrton Badovini Ducati WSBK 1:44.529 4.439 1.813

Nicky qualified third at Jerez with a 1'40.563. With the time posted he would have still qualified in third, but 0.5 behind Lorenzo. Still a pretty big margin, but making up half a second is a huge step forward.

Melandri's flyin'.
The P is 1.8 sec behing the GP13. I wonder how much development of the P will close the gap. The GP13 needs to keep progressing to avoid an embarrassing situation. Like many others I'd liketo see Nicky get a just reward for his loyalty and determination.

The GP program is already an embarrassment, but at least no one expects them to pull out miracles. Nicky could be an ambassador for Ducati, like Bayliss, but he has not been a winner on the thing.

The Panigale is using the previous generation GP frame, or frameless, design.
The new GP is a traditional Aluminum box/rail frame ala Japanese style.
The Panigale needs to dominate Superstock if not WSBK to prove the dedication to the technology that failed in GP.

Many feel the GP 90deg V is the problem. In the end, Ducati just can't make the front tire stick like Honda or Yamaha.

The new GP crew should, if all goes well, have enough data to produce a better frame say midyear or for next year at least. Audi is finally making changes that make sense, that Ducati never would, ie moving Prezioso off the program.

But if the Panigale fails, it all goes back to that man and his 'vision' of the Ducati GP/SBK.

I will give the Panigale the benefit of the doubt simply because it's radically different compared to the previous bike. Riders need to get accustomed to everything, but I do agree that if ultimately it fails then Prezioso will be held responsible.

holding Preziosi is all fine and dandy...in the end..what is the cost?...and to the WSBK program, that is huge!