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Anyone interested in organizing another CAM/BAD track day? I'm planning to do the TPM track day at Shenny on June 8 or 9.

Definitely interested in a track day, I'd like to take Bianca to Shenandoah. [evil]

Looks to me like someone just volunteered himself.

Doh! Ok, I got myself and a friend going. We have a truck but no trailer yet. Add yourself to the list and we'll work out carpools and stuff. M.K.Pepe, you in?

TPM Trackday at Shenny June 8-9
JoeP (Sunday, B group)
Chris (Sunday, B group, has truck, needs trailer)

I'll pencil myself in for that weekend, though won't be able to confirm until I get a better sense of where the winds are blowing at the time.

And I'll probably go B initially and see where I stand. Finished out last season running a decent I pace. But I expect this will be my frist time back to the track and with very limited miles under my belt for this year. So no need to rush it.

I could be in as well... The 749 should be back home from the pond by then.

Why TPM again???

I haven't been to a TPM day and they were highly recommended by a friend. If you know otherwise, let us know.
What's taking so long with your 749?

Poor planning. Taking it to any shop just as the weather turns nice for real. But the root cause is he's weeping oil from the clutch output shaft seal.


Aside from the blue shirt conga lines in the B groups (not a concern in I) TPMN was fine by me. What's the fuss Frank?

Are beginners required to ride behind a control rider at TPM? Cos that would suck. Or is it just the no passing rule and the large number of riders that causes bunch ups?

They are not. Only folks in the first level of their class/first time to the track folks are not allowed to pass the CRs for the first two sessions of the day. They go out in pods for 5-6 bikes total - one real hassle and a scare for me was when I caught 1 pod who had caught the other pod. I was working through the big conga line when then checkers came out on the straight. A number of them forgot the specific instruction that checkers means carry on - and do NOT come off line and chop the gas. So a bunch came off line and chopped the throttle as I'm in the middle of their pack at +30 mph.

TPM allows passing in B group. Outside only, BUT there is no inside/outside after the apex

LOL.... lets see... really, the massive $20k effort for refinancing my house was the primary factor of the timing. Weeping oil is bad and I currently trust Duc Pond.

Whinge, whinge...

 ;D

whinge? Is that what old parents do?

OLD parents grump - as Joe.

New parents do whinge... and you would too smart guy.

Shenandoah with any group is off my list.  I will be at Summit Main on May 24th with a few other buddies.  Big track, fast speeds and walls are not as close as on Shenny.

Just an update. I got another person or two (not on this forum) that want to go.

I'll have to pass this time: visiting the in-laws.  ;D

Aww. And Shenny is the perfect track for a bike with 57hp!  ;)

I should know. My bike was putting out a whopping 55hp my last time there.

The 749?

Monster 600

Soooo how many do we have so far?

Presently appears to be

Joe
Frank
Me

maybes:
Brett
Hap - baltimore
Devin - baltimore

Hap has convinced Art to come so that Art can feel and look faster than him?

Dunno about that... Hap just listed himself as a Maybe on the faceyspace event I stuck on the B-more page. Hope he comes. Want to meet that dude in person - geeks of a feather and all.

he is a freakin riot...met him at Billy's going away shindig...makes fun of his own "stuck in 1st gear all day" riding...

Ted said he's quick at the track, but 'glacial' on the streets.

Awesome! You guys are in? I got another two people going that aren't on this board. Early reg is 10 days before the event so sign up by then.

Yep. Figuring to lap you this time around.

Probably do b group day one and I on say two after I get my sea legs back a bit.

I will start in "B" and get bumped up to "A" by turn 6. In turn 17, I'll calmly pull out my cell phone and answer a call from Dorna. By the end of the session I will have set a track record, solved global warming, and cured cancer as waves of paddock girls scream my name while doing the running man. That's my plan.

I have a trailer that will hold three bikes.

I'm down with that, since you're curing cancer and all. Though... considering what a sausage fest most track days are, your paddock girls might just be Frank in a bikini.

Update - Brett is out

TPM Trackday at Shenny June 8-9
JoeP (Sunday, B group) + 1 or two more
Chris (Sunday, B group, has truck, needs trailer)
S. Panda (Sat B, Sunday I)
Frank (Sat I, Sunday Repairs  ;D)

Devin - maybe. Trying to figure out how to tow with a Scion
Hap

Joe - does Chris know that he can rent a trailer from u-hual? And what sorta truck - if a Pick-em-up why not load in the bed?

SMH....

I'm out. Moving on the 5th and settling in over the weekend. Folks are visiting, too.

Good question, but it's probably easier to load bikes in a low trailer than have them 4 feet up in a F150. The other two people in my party that wanted to go are not going, so I have space for 1 other bike on the trailer if anyone needs it.

Also, I'm looking to get some leathers before then so if anyone knows a good deal on something in a size 38 let me know. The STG A-stars closeout had some great deals but I missed it.  :'(

WHERE TO?

Here:
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 [cheeky] [laugh]

yes, a trailer would be easier. But with two folks (who know how to do it) a good ramp and step stool loading bikes in a pick em up isn't hard.

Well - you might start hunting around for Technic stuff. Seems they went out a business - so what's left of stock in on super sale

Well, I just put my money down. The Grandparents are coming in town, so I have a free n clear weekend. Wee!

Perhaps we should start a little topic sub list of camp stuff? Figure each group will bring their own Shade, chair etc - but something like a grill, onely one is needed...

Since I don't have a grill - I'll bring my tool box. The real one, not just Frank. LMK if there's special tool requests. I'll stock it for KTM and Ducs.

I don't have a grill, but I'll bring slabs of meat to share if there is a grill.

Give Jason at STG a call. He'll hook you up, just ask what he can do even non close outs. I used to frequent 600rr.net when looking for a bike.

Call: 888-784-4327 Ext. 210
Email: Jason@Sportbiketrackgear.com

page is still live

here's a 2pc - size 50 (Euro)
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=30323 (http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=30323)

Youth large hehe 1 pc
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=30292 (http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=30292)

a grill is overrated...you can just lay some tin foil over the engine ( or wrap the food in foil) and cook your food on it. I have heard of people wrapping hot dogs in foil...doing a 15 min session on track and pulling it out and putting it in a bun with toppings and VOILA!

Moving out to Brambleton (Ashburn area). Closer to where I need to be on the weekends, including Summit Point.

The house is a bit newer than the one Massimo posted.

I found the Rev'it tarmac pants for 249 at revzilla and the matching jacket at fe-moto for $300ish.

I still have Brett's "grill" It's a bit banged up and is pretty tiny, but it seemed to get the job done last fall...

So you'll bring it when you join us?  :-*

I wish.... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Well, then can I borrow your 675?!  ;)

You break it; you buy it. ;)

I would be too tempted to break it so I would HAVE to buy it!

So wait, that's the bargain?

I've got a great set of tools! Gimme!

Of course, the loaner contract includes the typical "Owner of vehicle will be compensated at 11ty Billion times the fair market value for any damage to vehicle and for any consumables, including but not limited to tire wear, gas, and oil whether or not purchased or replaced by lessee, during the lease period." ;D

Meh, sounds like a Jim get rich scheme - pass  :P

Signed up. I. Can't. Wait.  [Dolph]

Any other takers?

Joe - how many in your cohort?

Wish I could, got the itch after doing 211 last Sunday.

Just me and Chris. We'll probably carpool together.

I found a battery drain on my bike a few days ago that will drain it enough in a few minutes so it won't start. Brand new battery. Grrr. Gotta fix it before track day!

Also, a suit question. How should a one-piece suit fit? Should your voice rise up an octave when you stand suddenly? I've tried on a Astars 36 (tight [squeak], but not bad in riding position, needed help to get it off) and a Dainese 40 (snug but comfy to walk around in, easy in, easy out).   

You cannot because?

The A* is probably more right, but you might up one size. Also, you had your back protector on right?

Suits are cut for riding, not walking in, not getting in/out of easily. You want as snug as possible without restricting movement or causing distraction. The nut crunch, it happens. It's supposed to be comfy on the bike, not lounge wear. If you're able to just shrug out of the top section without a few shimmies, it's probably too loose.

standing up straight, it should be snug IF it is ergonomically cut/shapped for a tucked riding position...it should pull on the boys a tad bit...it should/will stretch a little bit as it breaks in while you wear it ( some people do break in wearing while watching TV on the couch)..the key is...you don't want any of the suit to be able to roll or move around you or parts of you as that would result in additional abrasion(s) if you find the need to see how protective the suit actually is.

not all of them are cut for a tucked riding position...but the rest of what you said is generally true.

I don't want to go riding my bike "scared", I need a little more saddle time to get use to it but if this past weekend is any indication I'll see you fellas out there sooner then later.

A valid concern to be sure. But consider this, at the track, if you go the 8th or 9th, you would be in some school sessions to start the day, both class and on track. After the two mandatory monitored sessions, you're allowed to go your own pace but can always request more coaching. if you're persistent and make a buddy with a coach early on you could *possibly* get coaching all day long.

Also you're allowed to ride your pace, as long as you do so safely. Speeds in the beginners groups can be remarkably moderate. Also, Shenny is a tighter course, so top speeds are low by comparisons to some tracks.

All the traffic is going the same way, its not nearly as complex as 211 and there's much more limited need to watch for road hazards. If there is one, you will be warned and the session may be stopped to clear it. So, at the end of the day the track is probably a safe way to get that saddle time and get coaching to improve skills you won't get out on your own.

Obviously can't make you go - but just ponder it.

at the track...there is less risk due to a lack of oncoming traffic...it is the responsibility of a rider to pass you safely or not at all in the beginner groups, so no worries about what is behind you....which means you can go as fast as you feel comfy and get tips and tricks and help from the coaches that are everywhere....

TPM, the group running things 8/9 DOES allow passing in the B groups. But only outside passing with an X (can't recall exactly) buffer between the bikes. They do note that once the apex is hit, there is no longer an inside/outside designation

Pedant...

I'm trying to to confuse him with - Well, if it's a SuMo suit, you really should be able to stand comfortably, but

All valid points for learning on track vs street damn I miss doing trackdays, I got the itch again last Sunday. I'm out of town June 8th and 9th so I'll keep an eye out for the next time CAM is running the circuit. I can volunteer a suv wired for a trailer if someone can volunteer a trailer.

Oh FWIW, I wear a 54 (EU) with back and chest armor.

Will the bike keep running if is starts? Do we need jim to help bump start you?

Chris?

Which day(s) are you doing? We're slotted for 2 days, probably drive out Friday to camp.

The bike will keep running once started. It will also start after an hour or so on a battery tender. I've put an ammeter between the negative lead and the battery and can measure a current even with all the fuses pulled. Hmm. I've never bump started the bike but I've seen Jim and Frank's pictorial evidence, so I know it's possible!

Chris is a buddy of mine that is not on this forum.

I'll be there for Sunday only. I'd like to do a track weekend sometime this summer though.

Well good, batteries are simple fixes.

Got it!

We'll try to carve out some turf for you guys... might be some cones I can steal. Coming in Sunday morning? Or Sat after-evening?

I'd like to show up Sat. evening but I'm not sure yet.

You know it's a good time. And means not getting up at 4am...

The WERA races are this weekend too at Summit Main, so if you get bored we'll be racing on the other side.  I'll be pitted behind a black enclosed trailer "Wallace Racing" vinyl on the front

Just bought a suit!  [Dolph] [bacon] [beer] ;D [drink]

List update:

TPM Trackday at Shenny June 8-9
JoeP (Sunday, B group, has space for 1 more bike on the trailer)
Chris (Sunday, B group)
S. Panda (Sat B, Sunday I)
Frank (Sat I, Sunday Race)
Devin - maybe. Trying to figure out how to tow with a Scion
Hap

Track day is June 8-9. WERA races are June 1-2. I'll ride up to watch if I can get away on Saturday.

They keep your status on file - so I'm White/Int the whole weekend.
Devin got a hitch on the Scion! he's renting a uHaul. Dunno what day(s) though.
Hap is being quiet...

If you're looking at other days - Colemans is going to have some demo Yammies at the June 17 NESBA Track day
http://www.wherethepoweris.com/eventslist.htm?groupId=32638&itemId=171813 (http://www.wherethepoweris.com/eventslist.htm?groupId=32638&itemId=171813)

What'd you get?

Astars SP-1 from the WERA boards.
 

Broke a rib yesterday in a road race. Pain was about an 8.5 last night, 5 this morning. The trend is in the right direction so I'm hoping I'll be ok to ride by Sunday.

Told you man, them new fanged bicycle contraptions are dangerous.

What's the current tally? Who's going and when will you be there?

JoeP (Sunday, B group, has space for 1 more bike on the trailer) - little TBD due to being clumsy
Chris (Sunday, B group)
S. Panda (Sat/Sun)
Frank (Sat/Sun)
Devin - (B group, day TDB, got an email out to him)

I took some Advil tonight and I feel better. How come no one ever told me about this stuff?! Tomorrow I will see if I can sit in a riding position. Baby steps.

You just found Advil? What rock have you been hiding under?

Dr. panda recommends 600-800 mg per dose in the short term to help with the inflammation. It's what you'd probably get from the docs, but just as a horse pill, not several smaller ones.

I just purchased the track day for Sunday. I am still taking a wait and see approach to Saturday. I've coordinated with Ian so we will both be there Saturday and Sunday. I just may not ride based on how the weather is panning out.

Things are looking good for me for Sunday. Tried on the new suit, upped the Advil dosage, and got on the bike. Not 100% comfy yet, but it's only Tuesday. The weather report is also looking better.

Rain forcast changed... just committed to Sat as well. Ian and I will leave early Sat morning. How'd I get stuck driving and hauling?

You bought the trailer.... that's how. And I fixed it... I fix you drive.

When is everyone showing up?

Saturday morning

 ;D

Me too...

See you all bright and early on Sunday!

Anyone want to do men big favor?

A soda can, some exhaust sealant and screw on hose clamps big enough to fit around a header would be much appreciated. Header decided to blow a hole.

Oh man! If only I saw this earlier I could have gone to the store for you. I'll see what I can scrounge up from my garage.

Fun times! I got some video of Ian and little bit of Dev. I'll edit and post later. Here's a couple of pics for now:

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If anyone has any more, post up!

Those are some sweet babies!

I heard that pig doesn't handle so well when ridden in anger

Any more pics? Ian?

My mechanical over the weekend. "Fixed" with some wrap and a couple hose clamps pushed edge to edge. Actually worked better than I'd hoped. But the initial blow out did a good bit of damage to my boot.

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Frank giving us the 'Blue Steel' on Sunday

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Feeling waaaay crappy first thing on Sat and Frank who probably busted a pass on me 3 seconds later
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Feeling better about the world on Sunday
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pics?



ELBOWS UP!!!

Haven't take a photo of the boot yet - yet.

Yeah, was working on it. Degree by degree. Late the 2nd day I bonked the inside of the chin bar on the hand guard - gettin' lower and more off the center line.

very nice fellas!  Go panda...... [clap]

This is about the last anyone saw of that Rossi/Fiat R1 that day. He appears early on, uses the muscle to pass me but soon falls off pace when the directions start to change. Was the tail end of this session that it ran wide in the run up to the bridge, got in the dirt and wiped himself out (bikes probably totaled, rider unhurt). Brand new R1 bled out at the scene.

Sound quality is a bit crap - so turn it down.
Team Pro Motion track day at the Shenandoah course of Summit Point June 8, 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZjCfZZaBVJQ#)

Here's me following Ian around after I *let* him pass me.  ;)

TPM @ Summit Point, June 9 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oOhnooqfuaA#)

In a computer browser you'd right click the video that'll pull up a little context menu and a option is copy URL for the video. Select, copy and paste in here. The board scripting does the rest.

It doesn't recognize this format.
http://youtu.be (http://youtu.be)

Needs to be long form
http://www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com)

Thanks. Fixed up my post.

You guys needed leathers???  I can get anyone here 25% off retail on all AXO leathers and other items.  Let me know what you want or need.

Should put in a little more footage on the front... just looks like you chasing me the whole time  ;D

I just bought 2 suits and am looking to sell one.

Do you have any footage of me flailing about behind you, or am I just a little black spot on the horizon?

it wasn't a thin old guy with glasses was it?

No, early/mid 30s - big guy, muscle big. 6'2" -3" I'd give him a good 220 - 230.

Joe, I'll have to check the clips that cut out part way through. I only got 3 full sessions - and one was from the day before. I have troubles with the SD card shaking loose.

I learned a lot more from this track day than the last time. The coaches were great, and watching the videos showed me things I need to work on. On every turn, Panda is out-accelerating me at the exits. Most of that is him holding better lines and getting on the gas sooner, but also bad gearing on my part. I noticed I was lugging the engine and should have downshifted another gear before entering the turns. I could close the gap a bit on the straights but that's all muscle and no skill.  I was also sitting on the bike too much because my legs weren't tired at the end of the day. Wish I could see some pics of myself to check body position, but I didn't get a chance to browse the photog's cd. Anyways, looking forward to getting back out there with you guys.  [beer]

If you're really interested in the photos, I'm sure they still have them - just tell them you were the guy in black leathers on the black bike  ;D

Seriously
https://www.facebook.com/TheSBimage (https://www.facebook.com/TheSBimage)
- I bet you could get your pix, no problem.

I'll check the rest of the video I have - too bad I don't think any matches up to that segment you posted. Would be interesting to side-by-side chase and chaser video

looks like you guys had fun, I'll try and join you next time!

Ok Joe, lots of you in this one. You appear 2:48. I go for a little adventure at 17:39

TPM track day at the Shenandoah course of Summit Point June 9, 2013 with Joe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR0d_1KZsWE#)

 [laugh] at myself, [thumbsup] [bow_down] to you Mr. Panda.

Why laughing at yourself?

The vid showed that I need to work on looking farther ahead and scoping out lines better. I'm saw myself doing a lot of shaky course corrections as a result. Also saw places where I turned in too early on a double apex corner and wound up running wide. All good, just trying to get better and have fun doing it.

Gotcha - your course corrections weren't as bad as that dude on the R1 who binned it the day before. He was weeble wobbling all over the place

Joe, you didn't look as bad as the R6 in the end who was trying to force himself past Ian in a couple spots and overcooked it badly....

Yep. I have enough self control to back off when I know I can't pass safely. But, I did target fixate on R6 dude when he ran off so I blew that same turn. Another lesson learned!

What are you guys talking about? There was no one on the track!

Eh? Talking about that video I posted. What are you talking about

Some video of me... Constructive critique accepted :)

Summit Point Shenandoah 6/9/2013 Supersport Second Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhP-G_qN7PI#)

Glad you can pick out what you are doing wrong. If I may chime in.

I want to point out that you need to work on only 1 steering input per turn. At 2:58 for example, it looks like you are steering it to correct your line. Once you have the bike turned, you open that throttle right away (I noticed some areas where you were waiting for a second or two longer than yo needed to as if you were waiting to hit the apex of the turn before opening the throttle). If you find yourself going wide, hold that throttle at the position (do not close, resist the survival instinct) and your line will close. Similarly if you find yourself turning in too early, continuing rolling on the throttle until your line opens up and hold it to tighten it back to the apex. This may not seem like much as slower speeds but once you get comfortable going faster it's the only way to not upset the suspension.

That turn at the top of the hill after the bridge, the one referenced, is a giant pain in the ass though. The line one should take, and the one it looks like you should take are very different. The GoPro flattens it out, but the outside has a dip and is negatively cambered, so it spooks a lot of folks - but its where you need to go to set up for the next turn, which sets you up for the two lefts down to the straight. So we see (or don't see due to my wheel) Joe trying to stick it inside on that 180 degree left - getting flummoxed and then losing the drive down the hill.

But yes, watching this I see a few mid turn steering  inputs that aren't needed

Good observations. Thanks! Watching Frank's vid, I notice how he tips the bike in and holds it-- one big input at the beginning and on the gas early. That's what I need to try for. There were a couple of times when I thought I would run wide and instinctively tried to slow down with a light touch on the brake, which resulted in... running wider. Next time I'll work on keeping a steady throttle and adding lean.

Anyone up for VIR North in July with NESBA???  July 15 and 16 each day 99.00 for elite members...not sure what it is for the peasants though.  ;D

Should be a good time...I check in to my new job tomorrow and it should be fun to see my new boss's face when I drop all my track days and race schedule in front of him for approval...lol 8)

I totally WANT to do this... weekdays are hard because I have no real leave time right now and have to balance "my" off time with the "family" off time.  :-\

YOU SUCK!



Just kidding! [cheeky] You seemed to be doing pretty well until about the 6 minute mark, then you looked more sloppy: was that tiredness kicking in?

It was the latter part of the second day... my legs burned... and i was exhausted. I ran this session short and the next two even shorter before throwing the towel in for the day. My body was done. lol.

Sure Frank...Buy my 2003 636 Kawasaki.  I pick up the new race bike tomorrow..2013 zx6r 636

how much?

Why do I ask... I should not ask...