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The tension is building.

If you have a subscription watch the pre-event press conference.

For those that don't...Danny Kent figures it was a racing incident and claims he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. Rossi and Iannone are still friends and Rossi thinks there are a lot of stupid people on social media. They all figure Marquez was playing with them like a cat would a mouse at PI, and Rossi figures Marquez is on George's team.

This should be good. ;)

Weekend weather via google:

Scattered showers.  60% chance precip Sat; 40% chance Sun.

Here's an interesting read:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224458/1/rossi-accuses-marquez-of-helping-lorenzo.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224458/1/rossi-accuses-marquez-of-helping-lorenzo.html)

Rossi sounds like he's a little rattled by Marquez.  :'(

Malaysia is like the Caribbean in that a shower can pop up out of nowhere, drench the track and turn to full blown sun in a matter of minutes. That would be an advantage to Rossi who can roll with changing conditions. Break out your rain dances!!

Miiiiiiiiind games. He's trying to get MM to "show" him that he wants Rossi to win by holding up Jorghey.

Maybe. Hard to say. I doubt MM cares either way though.

Good read.  I didn't think there was that much behind the scenes, but things are getting a little ugly ahead of the final two races.  I'm in the pro-Rossi camp, but I must admit his comments sound a little whiny.  I mean, if someone is good enough to toy with you, then you really aren't that good.  A champion should be able to keep up and beat the better rider (at least part of the time) because, you know, that's what a championship is.

I think Marquez was only able to toy with them at that particular moment in time. Not in general.

Rossi sounds more whiny in that article than he did in the press conference.

I think he should have Drudi paint him up a tinfoil helmet. ;D

 [laugh] Agree on all points

Miiiiiiiiiiind games!

I know, I didn't mean to imply it was in general.  Frankly, Rossi has gotten the better of Marquez multiple times this year.

I just mean that if you on the verge of your 10th championship, it seems odd to say "I'm peeved that some guy was faster than me in the last race and that he basically held me up from overtaking my pts rival."  Either go faster, or if not possible, then make do with what you got.  This is what I think Rossi is best at and has been the tale of his season: go faster(or -est) when he can and when he doesn't have it, use skill and strategy to finish as high as possible.  Anyway, seemed out of character.

Moving on...I can't wait until Sunday.  I may just try to get so blackout drunk tonight that when I wake up it will be the race.   [shot]

The tension is building. ;D

It's really hard to say if Rossi is trying to rattle or has become rattled. He really came down pretty hard on Marquez with the Biaggi/honesty comment. I'd like to hear Colin Edwards take on it.

I think if Rossi can beat George in this race the championship might just be his. If they go to Valencia with Rossi ahead by fewer than 5 points it will be tough.

I'd like to see him win one more. Even if he doesn't the old man has given the kids a run for their money.

Here's another theory:  ;D

That was said to the Italian press...the same Italian press that has been pretty hard on Rossi's buddy Iannone over the past week. Maybe he's just trying to re-direct their anger towards Marquez to give his friend a break!

Yeah, the Biaggi comment was where things started getting real.

Obviously, lots of private stuff we are unaware of, so that factors in.  Could just be the classic case of mentee trying to escape mentor's shadow and mentor feeling the pang of despised love.  ;D

WOW it's getting very interesting  [popcorn] I'm gonna be glued to my sofa this weekend  [beer]
It's on like donkey kong

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/22/rossi-marquez-would-prefer-lorenzo-to-win/187955 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/22/rossi-marquez-would-prefer-lorenzo-to-win/187955)

It reads even more paranoid.

It's hard to tell with Rossi.

He's been manipulating the press and his rivals for years.

It will be an exciting finish to the season whatever happens.

Rossi will have to be on the very top of his game at this race. Another thing that might be in his head is that this is the race and the track where Simoncelli died four years ago. Maybe he wins it for Marco........  [popcorn]

Rossi needs MM to beat up on Jorghey, so what better way to "motivate" him.

Perhaps it was the wrong kind of mushrooms in the sauce on his pasta last night, or in his omelette this morning?  [laugh]

I watched the press conference, and I think it was a massive joke by Rossi.
Just stirring people up.

Is there video of the Biaggi comments?

The last link was an interview after the news conference with an Italian reporter. It sounded like he was dead serious.

The text in that link reads dead serious.

But is there video of that interview with the Italian press?

Nope, just transcripts.

More on Rossi's comments:
http://photo.gp/2015/10/22/valentino-rossi-marc-marquez-drama-at-sepang/ (http://photo.gp/2015/10/22/valentino-rossi-marc-marquez-drama-at-sepang/)

So far, I've got concerns about Rossi's (alleged) comments after the press conference.

First, this text:
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/22/rossi-marquez-would-prefer-lorenzo-to-win/187955 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/22/rossi-marquez-would-prefer-lorenzo-to-win/187955)
..... is a translation of him speaking in Italian to the Italian media.

Who did the translation?
'Cause, y'know, there wouldn't be any bias in a translation....

Is it verbatim, covering all questions and all answers?
The questions seem contrived to allow Rossi to paint a complete story.

Would the eyewitnesses say he was talking seriously, or joking?
Because, IMO, reading a transcript from the press conference would have what Rossi said sound a lot more serious.
Watching it, seeing the body language and facial expressions, I understood Rossi making a big joke.

His tone and temperament were serious but I subscribe to the head games theory.

Maybe he's joking or the Italian press are playing funny buggers.

While JLo doesn't have an endearing character, if Rossi means that shit then it makes me want to see Lorenzo win. Rossi has the social intelligence to play pregnant dogy games and he knows better, while JLo is socially awkward in comparison. It's right up there with the Italian soccer team faking to get a penalty. Just race the bikes for make the beast with two backss sake.
This is the shit Doohan hated, he'd rather have a fight out back like a man rather pregnant doging like this.

Of course, it could all be a media beat up.

More:

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/22/2015_sepang_motogp_thursday_round_up_ros.html

Very interesting.

Lorenzo at the top of FP2.  Rossi has a bunch of ground to make up.

Rossi can talk all he wants but if Rossi wants the title, Rossi has to qualify better than 7th.   ;)

With subtitles even...

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/10/23/rossi-on-marquez-complete-statement/188101 (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/10/23/rossi-on-marquez-complete-statement/188101)

Boo hoo Rossi you make the beast with two backsing sook. Why is it mind games when Rossi pregnant doges and whines and only whinging when other riders moan. If mm was helping Jlo then why not let him win?
I couldn't careless who wins now as long as it's not Rossi. I've had a gut full of Rossi's female tendencies as a catty pregnant dog and the fanboy club with it's one eyed bullshit.. Every rider in the paddock is amazing as far as im concern

^^ Spoken like a true Stoner fan!  [laugh]

I agree though, although I don't think Rossi sucks.

Take that Rossi, you poppogalo! [laugh]

lol, you got me😝😝😝

I think it's a little deceptive, as AFAIK Rossi didn't swap on a fresh set of tires for a couple hot laps at the end of FP2.

He swapped a used set of tires between his two bikes in the last couple minutes, and I don't think he even got one hot lap after the swap.


Hmmm, an awful lot of smiling and laughing going on.

Looks like he's manufacturing drama to me.
And providing an excuse (only believable inside Rossi's head)  that if he loses out on the title, he can claim Marquez jacked him at PI.

The most pderbyerous thing about his accusation, is that he's essentially accusing MM of hatching this evil plot during the race.
"Yeah, I'll wick it up, and pass JLo, then back off , and later on I can say I overheated the tire."
"JLo will pass me, as will AI and Rossi, then I'll pass them back, making sure that AI stays ahead of Rossi."
"Then I'll really drop the hammer, and pass JLo halfway through the last lap, so I can do maximum damage to Rossi's points lead for my buddy JLo."
"But I'll only go so far for Jorge, I won't let him win the race."

MM is a great rider, and occasionally shows the ability to conduct rational analysis while in battle.
But such a stratagem is beyond his ability when combined with the level of competition.

The only rider I can think of who is capable of anything close to this would be Rossi, back in the day when he could cruise around at 9.5 tenths until the last few laps.

Speaking of Stoner...
I could certainly see a few "told ya so" comments from him being about.

Rossi claimed he was having a chatter problem on the bike with the 'fresh set' of mediums, he ran the hards for most of FP2, so they swapped the fresh tires on to his second bike. He got an out lap and a cool down. No timed lap.

I heard he reads 'our' R&T section, and is just make the beast with two backsing with you guys.  ;)

Are we the stupid people on social media he was talking about? ;D

Uh, yessir.  :D

Kinda figured. 8)

I'm proud to be here  [bacon]

I'm a goddamn american and it is my right to make wild baseless speculations!  >:(

How else are we to fill the time between races?  ;D

 [laugh] [beer]

FP3
1. JLo 1'59.544
2. Marquez
3. Pedrosa
4. Rossi + 0.709  [bang]

no wings on either yamaha.  has ducati always run 2 sets of wings? one set on nose and the other on lower fairing.

oh BTW it looks like there was a little ego clash on the closing minutes between MM and Vale, Vale was slowing down to get a clear field and was waving MM to pass but MM did not want to and tucked in behind Vale for one hot lap.

no. new the last couple rounds

Iannone's bike broke a chain tensioner on the sprocket side, pulled the axle forward and shucked the chain.
~Last lap, as he parked it against the pit wall.

And, it appears significant chance of rain for MotoGP qualy, and perhaps for the race.

 [popcorn]

1st row ------ Pedrosa ---- Marquez ---- Rossi
2nd row ----- Lorenzo ---- Crutchlow --- Iannone

 [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

We keep forgetting about little Dani. Will he run away from the others at the start line? 

Is Iannone back to his routine, finishing 4th?

No matter what people think about Rossi's comments... It does create some damn good tv.

The drama with the tows is incredible haha  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

MM and VR address some of the controversy as it related to qualifying:

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/10/24/rossi-marquez-address-tension/188254 (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/10/24/rossi-marquez-address-tension/188254)


I like when Rossi was asked if it was time to forget it all and focus on the race.  His pause at the start says it all.  Confirming what I knew: I've never met an italian that could just let things go.  ;D

I'll say this right up front: Nobody pulls it together on race day like Valentino Rossi, and I think anyone betting against him to walk away from Malaysia as 2015 champion better be willing to lose.

But in my opinion, we've seen Vale get rattled this week, and his attempts to play the press have largely backfired (well, backfired with the non-Italian press at least). I think he's watched Jorge lay down a pace he can't match in the latter half of the season and is spooked at the idea that this could go down to Valencia.

If I had any money to put up, here's how I'd wager it: one of the Hondas will win the race, Lorenzo will push too hard and make a serious mistake, and Rossi will become MotoGP champion tomorrow. And I'll be mighty happy to see it.

I'm pro-Rossi, but I can't agree with the above comment.  I don't like to see a championship won in a crash out or other crucial error. Would rather it be decided via pure racing.

+1 on that ^ but on the flip side you gotta finish the race also in order to get crucial points as VR has displayed this season. I would love to see more action like in Phillip island in the closing races.

Race at 3pm local time, chance of rain jumps to 50% at Noon, stays there until midnight.

 [popcorn]

Thanks for the heads up

I'm stuck on a trip on the west coast till next tues and I'm debating about staying up to watch it live. Can't access my dvr till I get home :/

The gang will be sitting in my garage tonight with beers and cigars to watch it all live on the big screen.   [beer] 

Just to clarify, that 3pm is local time in Malaysia....

West coast would be 1030pm tonigt

Dang daylight savings...so is it 1230 cst or 1130 cst

Comcast cable, pre-race begins at EST 2:30am, race 3:00am.  This should be a great race.  Remember Jorge is Spanish, Marc is Spanish. Is brand more important than homeland?
I like Marc but the last few races I don't care who wins.  Good safe/close racing will be fine for me.

 I would love to see this run in the rain. A true champion excels in all conditions, especially the one I want to see win!

Emmet posted a time table for the start of the race that updates for where you are:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Sepang+MotoGP+race&iso=20151025T15&p1=122&ah=1 (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Sepang+MotoGP+race&iso=20151025T15&p1=122&ah=1)

I'll watch it in the morning...

just leave motogp.com open to the no spoiler page and watch away.

I hate how the page automatically opens "spoiled".  I usually hover one hand over the screen and then slowly lower it until I see the No Spoiler link and then click on that.

Your technique probably works better.

I hate it too...

which is why I use my method.

Here's the link... http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/spoiler+free (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/spoiler+free)

Moto3 warmup in 9 mminutes... ;D

Moto3 race in 45

Moto GP is on at 9pm here in the Islands.  One of the few advantages we have living so far out in the west. Most of the year you folks have the advantage time wise.

Yet another great Moto3 race.  [clap]

 :o :o [evil] [thumbsdown]

DRAMA!!! VR takes out MM

Bad move looks like VR kicked MM off the bike purposely  [thumbsdown]

I'm self a Rossi fanboy but that move is going to be pretty hard to explain.

That was ugly.

Same here, I'm so disappointed

Chopper view was close..looked like MM hit Rossi and then lost front; Rossi's leg did not hit bike (can't kick down a motogp bike, anyway).

Marc was clearly sandbagging. He's been harassing Rossi all weekend. He clearly has a personal problem with him. Why didn't he speed passed Rossi when he slowed down? He slowed down with Rossi. It's not hard to see and hear what he was doing. Marc leaned into him and lost it.

It looks like VR pushed him wide and deliberately kicked his rear brake lever

I don't think Rossi kicked MM's bike but him being off throttle when he should have been on throttle combined with those two long looks... I don't think anyone can say that that move was 100% kosher.

I saw it live, and I've seen quite a few replays, I can't say exactly how Rossi had Marquez off.

But he did, totally on purpose, IMO.

I'm waiting for the post-race Press Conference.
Apparently the chat in Race Direction is taking a while.

It's a shame for Pedrosa, he squashed the field, and these shenanigans will overshadow a really good ride.

Saw a report on crash.net that said MM's front brake lever got clipped by Rossi's knee. I really don't want such a great season to be marred by this kind of incident... Because even if Rossi wins this, it'll always be a black mark.

And I was just thinking about Pedro too... The man can't get a break. His biggest finishes this season were all second fiddle to the races that happened right behind him. So even when he dominates he gets ignored.

Here is the link to where it says the front brake lever seemingly got caught:

http://m.crash.net/motogp/race-report/224591/1/rossis-world-title-hopes-hang-in-balance.html (http://m.crash.net/motogp/race-report/224591/1/rossis-world-title-hopes-hang-in-balance.html)

Rossi has left the circuit, not in the press conference.

Pedrosa and JLo in the press conference.

Pedrosa very candid about what a shame the whole episode was for everyone.
A very valid point from him about Rossi previously saying "Eh, it's all racing." in the past, but now seeming to change his tune....

JLo as well, maybe a bit more than candid.
A bit chapped, really, but valid point of 'if another rider had done it, way more severe penalty.'

A while in, Dani looked like he would have *really* liked to be somewhere else....

The word is that Rossi will get 3 points on his license and start from the back of the grid in Valencia.

3 points and start at the back of the grid is a joke, the FIM should just give the championship to Rossi. If this was any other Motorsport rossi would of been black flagged.
It will be interesting to see the Spanish crowd at the next race, I predict stuff being thrown at Rossi while on track

I like Casey Stoners tweet that the Fim neefs ti look beyond who was involved and decide fairly. Which does not sppear to be tbe case exactly.
After the race I questioned whether Rossi would race next season after he was removed from A chance in the championship. He now has a slim chance. Rather sad weekend really. First the dumb comments then that incident.

I can see MM taking Rossi out at Valencia as pay back. Boy it got ugly. MM has nothing to lose, if he wasnt helping JLo before he will be now.

I'm pissed at Rossi for forcing me now to root for Jorghey. Beyond the fanboy reaction, it was a douchebag move and he should have been blackflagged. Regardless if you think, like Race Direction, that MM was sandbagging, that was uncalled for and Race Direction's responsor only shows that Rossi has them in his back pocket.

Dylan should have asked Rossi "how do you feel about your douchebag move?"

Just watched.  That sullied the whole championship.  Boo.  [thumbsdown]

Where the hell did Jorge go on the podium? WTF was that about? These 2 guys are out of their make the beast with two backsing minds! Neither one of the Yamaha guys deserve to win this championship. No class!

Rossi's explanation:

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/10/25/sepangclash-rossi-reacts/188437 (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2015/10/25/sepangclash-rossi-reacts/188437)

Basically, he says he slowed down and pushed MM out wide as sort of a "WTF are you doing?" reproach, since he thought MM was sandbagging him.  He said he didn't kick at him or intend for him to crash.

I'm inclined to accept this explanation, as a general rule I don't think any rider intentionally would take out another rider.  They all know how dangerous crashes are.   Sure, some may ride overly aggressive and even a little recklessly (see early Simoncelli), but there's a big gap between riding recklessly and purposely taking someone out, even if its hard for us to tell from footage.  Rossi was trying to reprimand MM and MM wasn't having it and kept racing, and well, that resulted in contact and a crash.

Rossi should be penalized deliberately slowing down and forcing MM out, but I don't think he tried to make him crash.

There is no category for "trying to make him crash". There is a category for deliberately endangering someone, which fapplies to this case. Forcing someone that wide and almost off the track is deliberately dangerous. Rossi is just lucky that race direction is full of his fanboys.

#classlessyamahateam

Reminds me of when Schumacher took out Hill to win the F1 championship.
Pissed me off that the guy I root for did such an asshole move.
Did not expect this from Rossi.

In the press conference he explains he was having dehydration issues and was dizzy.

Count me as a disappointed Rossi fan. If Marquez was intentionally jacking around with Rossi (a claim that unless Marquez admits to is completely un-provable) then Marquez is a douche. But his level of douche-baggie-ness is nothing compared to Rossi's move.

Sheesh...........

Mark

Announcers said, early in the broadcast, that Marquez was having trouble with front tire grip, so it's not a big stretch of the imagination to conclude that Marquez lost the front and crashed...way too much drama.

I don't know what race youall were looking at, but in the one I was watching Rossi was trying to get up to dani, lorenzo, and marquez.  Marquez clearly drifted back from those two and then generally made a PITA of himself to slow Rossi down and, for at least two laps, made several close and clearly dangerous moves around Rossi.  Typical Marquez, trying to shove past another rider, this time on the outside, and he got caught cause Rossi was ahead and had blocked the position. Marquez banged Rossi twice on that lap, once on the inside and the second time when he fell.

If a brake lever was hit, hard to believe with all the protection around them, it was either when marquez banged rossi, or by accidentby marquez himself.

Marquez is far too talented a rider for me to believe that the jousting was part of the 'racing'.  IMO, Marquez should be penalized, because he clearly was harassing Rossi, period.

Could Rossi have become angry? Sure.  Did Rossi take marquez out? No way.  Whatever the final decision is, at least I hope its fair.

^^  [roll] [bang] Put the pipe down bro.

Decent angle - https://www.facebook.com/FastBikesMagazine/videos/1018253931530671/ (https://www.facebook.com/FastBikesMagazine/videos/1018253931530671/)

+11th billion

 :o  [roll]  [bang]

Wow in that angle in slow mo looks like MM leaned into him.

Yeah, definitely you see VR's knee get pushed in by contact from MM.  He then pushes it back out, which I assume is a natural reaction.

Well, he's heading off the track, so of course trying to make the turn. Rossi already admitted that he purposely pushed MM out. I do agree that he didn't mean for him to crash, but again, you have to take responsibility for even putting yourself in that position.

We are pretty much completely opposed with our loyalties, duccarlos, but I agree with you on that.

I think if Rossi had not looked back those couple times he wouldn't have "looked" as guilty and there really wouldn't be much of a discussion. On the preceding laps it does look like MM is trying to back VR up though.

Admitting that he did it on purpose made him look guilty, not the "looks". Even if MM was sandbagging to make it more difficult for Rossi, it's not against the rules. So is it worse that he made that move or that MM got so under his skin that Rossi decided that pushing him off the track was a good idea.

OK, now vr says he "might not" attend Valencia,

http://fanpa.ge/qvMsu (http://fanpa.ge/qvMsu)

I don't think Rossi meant to make him crash. He did though, and it was a shitty move.

Hard to say if MM was messing with him. Not out of the question given Rossi's remarks during the week. If so, he should have just raced his race.

Sucks it happened. Stoner is right...another rider would have been black flagged.

From a VR superfan perspective I'm sorry to say but MM has Rossi's number pegged.  For MM to toy with VR like that and break away when he feels like it I'm sorry to say but VR is in his final years.  I'm for the position that MM was deliberately sand bagging and the choice words VR had for MM after the Phillip Island didn't do wonders for him.  MM pretty much pulled a VR move causing the other rider to make a mistake, it's a dangerous game to play especially at those speeds and I can see how it frustrated Rossi.  Not to  justify his actions but I don't know what I'd do in that situation.

On another note, Pedrosa was untouchable all weekend and crushed the race.  [clap] Jlo got caught up early in the race, but made quick work of the riders in front of him.

Poor Dani P. Just a footnote in the MotoGP world

Dick move pure and simple. I think he was probably so frustrated he just snapped but a dick move nonetheless. Especially when you consider this is the same track Simoncelli died. You don't play around on a race track.
As others have said I kept expecting them to black flag Rossi.

I can see Rossi leaving Yamaha after Jarvis' comments. Didnt back him up at all.

Link?

What did I just see?

Thumbs up for Little Dani.

No matter how hard Iannone worked, Ducati wasn't going to let him finish 4th.   :(

Now I've watched this over and over.  Marc was a total dick.  He let J-lo roll right by and rode out of mind with Rossi.  I was sure he was going to go down and take Rossi with him.  He bumped into Rossi twice before the incident.  There was no need to ride like that.  He's lucky no one was hurt.

What Rossi did was inexcusable.  MM was forced wide.  Bumped into Rossi again.  That's what caused him to fall. Then  Rossi's knee jerk reaction was to stick his leg out. 

How would you expect any of the other riders to react to MM's behavior? 

1 dickhead move + 1dickhead move = tasteless racing

so, this is vr equipment for next race,

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11223651_1005239689508156_1740800951031986096_n.jpg?oh=76e751b219ca4ca13edf7cd508c220f1&oe=56C7BE2B)

He backed him up just fine. Didn't try to justify the move, but said VR's frustration was understandable. Thinks the penalty is harsh considering the circumstances. Said that MM didn't have to crash if he hadn't turned into VR.

Not sure what else he could have said. Very supportive IMO.

It's worth noting that the penalty is still under appeal.

It will be overturned. Dorna doesn't want to just hand Jorge the championship. They will turn it into a "racing incident". Rossi is to MotoGP as the Pats are to the NFL.

JLo apparently passed Rossi on a waving yellow as well. Hmm...maybe send him to the back too!  ;D

Hate to say it coz I'm a Rossi fan but he may be a MotoGP pariah for the rest of his career.

Penalty is confirmed by the FIM, book is closed.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151025c.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151025c.htm)



Can't find a link at the moment, but the yellow was premature, thrown in error as Iannone and Pol ran wide, but not off.
Furthermore, thrown after JLo's pass.
Per Gavin Emmett, Race Direction looked at it.

What I have seen from slow motion videos, is MM helmet hitting VR leg, which till that time was in position, and after that VR leg opened up (maybe as reaction of being touched).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVXtJJUbpaA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVXtJJUbpaA)

What about Crutclows move on Dovi as well

Both Dovi and Crutchlow say it was just a racing incident.

Are we going to start playing PC cards in moto racing?  [roll]

Nope, all other passes were fine, including all of MM's passes on Rossi. Slowing down and going wide on purpose to push someone off track is not a pass, Rossi was already ahead. Simply a douchebag move. MM is simply doing to Rossi what Rossi has been doing to others for a long time, except that those guys, Stoner included, would not manage it the way Rossi did in Malaysia.

Has Ducati explained what happened to Iannone's bike? He wasn't riding well this weekend, but I would have preferred seeing him fight it out with Smith and Crusty.

Ducati said a rock poked a hole in Iannone's radiator.

I continue to be mystified by what appears to be Rossi's titanic miscalculation on how this was likely to play out.
Rossi's been in MotoGP a long time, and he's a smart and calculating dude.

He basically stopped just short of claiming that MM kicks puppies for fun.
MM is 22 years old and fundamentally fearless.
MM has nothing to lose in the championship, and Rossi's got it all to play for.

BULLSHIT, send me your copy of the race. Jousting = racing, I don't agree with banging fairings but passing is all good and up until Rossi deliberately pushed mm off track it was great racing

Freaking Iannone is magnet for wildlife and inanimate objects.

Needs to change his logo i tell you.

And now Marquez says to Rossi, "You will never win another race."  Instant karma.

I really can not stand Marquez - I'm a Rossi fan through and through but what happened today, coupled with the lead-up nonsense from Thursday, makes me wonder if it's not time for Rossi to sit down and have a long think about his GP future.  Is Rossi so jaded now that settling a score out weighs a World Title?  Just plain brainless and shamefully un-sportsmanlike.

#getwellsoonrossi

Just rewatched that lap or 2. Mm was messing with him cutting his line dropping back and then repassing and slowing. Rossi had a serious bobble and mm should have pulled away at that point but slowed to let him catch up!

I like mm but i have to agree he is influencing the championship.

Rossi should hang it up.

Yamaha should call Iannone.

Marquez should suck a bag of dicks.

The American's should make a better effort in grooming young riders.


Will Rossi show up to the last race?

^^^^ Yep it really must have got to him. I hope this isnt a "Tiger Woods" moment in his illustrious career. It was a fantastic race and season until that moment.

Huh?!?  The man is in first in the championship by 7 pts going into the last race of the year.  He won't win (barring a miracle) but why would someone who is inches away from a title hang it up?  It's not like he is Hayden or someone who has seen better days.  He can still keep pace with the top riders.

 ???

The rubbish all started with Thursday's press conference.
Without the mibd games talk and blaming MM it would have been a normal race. Rossi brought it all on himself.

Again threatening to not show up is saying I am bigger than the Sport.

^ +1

Thats a good point Needles.

Rossi has 4 more years in him if he wants.

Valencia should be interesting.

This isn't exactly over...yet. [evil]

Rossi will carve through the field like a man possessed and JLo only has to make a mistake or a bad start and lose a few positions for them to be racing each other.

Whatever the case maybe it's sure to make good tv   [popcorn]

Agreed. Rossi and his tinfoil hat got MM thinking he had to prove he wasn't intimidated.

I really don't think he was messing with him at PI, but he definitely was today the more I look at it. Not to help JLo either, as I don't think those 2 care for each other.

^ This. I think Rossi lit a big ass fire under MM.

 Watching the slo-mo and closeups I think MM took himself out.

Not intentionally, but agree. If he just stood it up he would have been fine, albeit it off the track.

MM was on a mission, and it was working until VR said that's enough mother make the beast with two backser. (or how every you say it in Italian)

If the roles would be reversed, the Rossi fanboy horde would be out for blood right now.

Race direction said, yeah MM was passing and then holding him up (but, not against any rules) and yeah, Rossi is to blame for the crash by purposely pushing him out.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224594/1/motogp-race-director-explains-rossi-punishment.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224594/1/motogp-race-director-explains-rossi-punishment.html)

Ya think?  :D

http://www.amcn.com.au/events/motogp/1510/rossi-meltdown/ (http://www.amcn.com.au/events/motogp/1510/rossi-meltdown/)

What a shame.

I would have liked to see Rossi take the championship one last time.

Now Lorenzo will win it, and Rossi will stay with Yamaha forever. I'm ready for him to leave and open up a seat for another rider.

I think it's fair to say that MM was playing silly games with Rossi's championship bid and I really don't like that. I guess this was what MM was hinting at when he made comments about how he would make up what Rossi did those times he took MM out. Rossi looks bad after this incident but after reviewing the footage I personally think MM is the one that's going to come out worse. Because from now on we know that if MM has nothing to lose in the championship he'll go out of his way to tank someone else out of pique. Pretty bad sportsmanship and I can't think of another rider that had deliberately done something like that during a recent championship bid.

And I wonder what we would have all thought if Rossi didn't point out MM's attempts to hamper him. That blew up in his face but without it being pointed out we might also be seeing this incident in a different light.

Also, I still don't want Lorenzo to win... His reaction to it all was just so pissy. Never the biggest Pedro fan but he's the one I'd want with the championship right now if anything. Or Iannonne.

Next year is going to be crazy though. Because if MM's championship is on the line and Rossi has nothing to lose... Pretty sure you're going to see some karma coming around pretty quickly.

In what, 16+ years of racing? I have never seen VR playing this kind of games trying to purposely slow down a racer, in a business that was not his own.

i dislike MM even more!!!!

of course casey stoner is twitting against V46.

Very sad that JLo is going to win it.  In my opinion, he is a whiner that doesn't deserve championship.  I was dizzy that is why i left the podium.  BS.

Ugh, sad day in motogp!!!

I doubt V46 will ever get another chance for championship.  I don't think he will win many more if any #1 spots in races.  I hope hope i am wrong.

Is it wrong to hope that JLo will crash out next race?!!!!!

Yeah, rooting for crashes is Marquez-level evil.  Be the good guy.  Be Dani.

Speaking of which, with all the controversy and lack of love for JLo, VR, and MM, let's just crown Dani champion.  The guy deserves one.  Why not make it this year? 

Go team Crusty!

Wow, even when Rossi is clearly in the wrong some of you delusional fan boys somehow twist the storey so Rossi is now the victim. You should have a go at being lawyers lol.
The way I read it is, that Rossi only wanted himself and Jlo on track, and everyone else can just watch them go round.
Rossi should of tried to get mm as an ally on Thursday instead of stirring shit and getting others offside.

Here's an idea. Rossi was full of shit that MM was trying to hamper him at PI. Rossi's logic doesn't make sense, and neither does the lap data. I think that if Rossi didn't accuse him, the incident at Sepang wouldn't have happened.

As Colin Edwards said...Rossi was riding for championship points, Marquez for pride.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something. - Plato

:P

I don't think anyone here is saying that Rossi didn't do anything wrong and we for the most part agree that he lost his cool and blew his championship.

I don't think that Rossi wanted just a race btwn him and Jlo... He just wanted a race where someone wasn't trying to mess with his chances at a championship. Hell, even race direction agreed that MM was riding in a way to provoke Rossi.

And I don't think there was anyway that MM was going to be a ally after what Rossi supposedly saw at PI. I mean... What could you do or say to make a ally of MM if you felt he was already sabotaging you?

Above all else I think we're just seeing the immature side of MM here... One that is going to bite him in the ass in the long run. Because if he can do this one season... What's going to stop him doing this every season?

Immature side of both of them.

You guys 'do' remember how MM raced in Moto2.

+1 on that ^ I saw hitting the apex and I saw the recklessness of MM

Great point

Bottom line is Rossi doesnt like copping what he has dished out for years (ask Gibber and Stoner). Rossi doesn't like getting "Rossied". MM can play the same game with a charming smile just as Rossi has. Behind the charm both are ruthless.
MM develops some maturity while Rossi is in regression. MM owes him no favours (and in his mind more than a little payback). Rossi cant get to the little bugger like he could Stoner, Gibber and Biaggi for that matter, but MM has got to him. That's quite an accomplishment. Remember Rossi's accusations against Gibber when Gibber started beating him? He called him a "bastido and saboteur'". Gibber, although not tough enough, was a gentleman.

marquez is a sociopath.  If you (general you) were setting up for a turn and there's a bike inches away from where you need to be, would you keep tipping your bike over?  No.  He just expects everyone to get out of his way. 

he wrecked himself.  It's not like this is the first time he's done it this season. 

I totally agree with this, if he does it, is OK, if someone does it to him, then, is not OK . . .

I'm as frustrated as anyone here, since I don't believe there's a Jorghey fan in this lot. I would have been fine blaming MM if Rossi would have finished 4th. I can't blame him for Rossi pretty obviously riding him off the track. MM was racing and he was racing hard. Rossi showed his first flaw in years.

I also understand the reaction of a lot here that probably didn't watch Rossi race when he first made it to the 500cc class. The kid was fearless, much like MM. He also pissed off others, like Biaggi. The semblance is uncanny.

Good point about memories being short.

Let me ask members of the crowd that have watched for over a decade: reckless and get-out-of-my-way riding is somewhat common among new hotshots (Rossi ca 2000, MM now, etc), but have you ever seen a case of someone deliberating sandbagging another rider.  That to me is what is so egregious about MM in this instance.  Not the wild riding, but the intentional attempt to hold up and be a wrench in Rossi's title hopes.  PI it may be debatable, but at Sepang it seemed pretty obvious that is what he was doing.  Has anyone ever done that before?

From the "new crop" of riders, I'd say I am indeed a Crazy Joe follower and somewhat a Vinalez follower too . ..  from the "old crop" I was a Capirossi, Checa, Biaggi fan, and yes, a rossi hatter . . . for the exact same reasons everyone "hated" him or his "younger nemesis" MM  . . . Never liked his "style" and when other did what he did to other, he would always complain but other could NOT complain since he is Dorna's "child" . . . Now, back to being home all day

I have been paying attention since the early 90's when ESPN would air the races 2 weeks late at 3am and I cannot remember a rider accusing another of "sandbagging" before. Bikes are SO different from F1 where team orders are very important. The most common response from a motorcycle rider who has been asked "Will you help so-and-so win?" is "No. I will run my own race. Good luck to so-and-so but I'll not be helping".

There may be a case where this has happened before, but I'll be darned if I can remember when.

Mark

To a point

...and this people is what Rossi is pissed about.

He doesn't care if Marc beats him...he doesn't care if there's contact.

He wants Marc to mind his own make the beast with two backsing business and not affect a championship he's not involved in. Of all the things you can say about him Rossi would never do that.

My greatest hope is that Rossi and Marc climb the stairs to the podium together in Valencia...I bet Marc ended up looking worse than Biaggi did. [evil]

+1

My greater hope is that Jlo gets tangled up in traffic and Rossi takes that podium over him though haha.

But yeah... If what MM's done to the championship is considered ok... Will it be done every season now?

I've had a day to cool off after watching the Rossi/Marquez debacle and the one painfully obvious thing about this rivalry is that Marquez will never be Valentino Rossi.  That's got to sting a little bit.  

There's more to be being an entire chapter in the history of gran prix motorcycle racing than stats and Marquez has yet to be anything other than coldly calculating and cynical.  There have been a multitude of extraordinarily fast riders who have won several world titles but none, aside from probably Agostini, that were champions and ambassadors of the sport.

In his haste to elevate himself above Rossi, Marq "Win It or Bin It" Marquez has indeed been a child. This season - with some real competition finally coming out of the Yamaha camp - Marquez has crashed out of as many GPs as he has won - five.  Can't fault him for trying but he's no Rossi and knows it.

So in the grand scheme of things, will Marq Marquez be remembered in the same category as Valentino Rossi?  

No.  


Move along, people.  Nothing to see here.

Where does everyone think MM learned to ride the way he does in GP...VR! Like carlos said, there is a strong resemblance. MM has just taken it up a bit.

Still, VR has been getting away with roughing up his rivals for years. What is the common thread in all of Rossi's feuds? Rossi. I'm a fan, but when someone becomes a real threat to VR, the gloves come off. We haven't seen it with MM until this season because VR wasn't in the title chase. Now that he is, is anyone surprised?

The difference now, is MM fights back harder and isn't intimidated.


Not to excuse what MM seemed to be doing in Sepang, but VR called him out the week before. What did he expect would happen? It is highly debatable if MM was helping JLo, or at least trying to slow VR, in PI. After watching the race a couple times, and looking at the lap time data, I think MM was just racing. VR brought this upon himself.

Whay didn't VR call out Iannone for PI? He had just as much an impact on him as MM. Because Iannone isn't a title threat. He was just looking to wind MM up...and he did.

 [laugh] Spoken like a true Rossi fan!

I now remember why years ago I disliked Rossi.  And why MM was a douche in Moto2. 

Years from now we will forget Rossi's knee jerk but we will remember MM's d-bag behavior. 


If one rider can disregard their race chances to further another riders position in the standings.  Why not?  Team comes first!  Thanks MM.  Motogp=F1+Nascar

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I've come across a good point on Twitter and someone pointed out that why didn't MM attack JLo when he passed him.

Straight from the horses mouth
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/25/sepangclash-rossi-reacts/188439 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/25/sepangclash-rossi-reacts/188439)

MM and Jorghey are not teammates. Like J said, it was Rossi that called out MM, who has no skin in the championship. I also watched PI. Rossi wanted MM to keep Jorghey within striking distance. If I'm Rossi, and knowing both Iannone and MM, I would hope that MM would beat up on Jorghey to the point where he gives up. Then Iannone let's me by and I take second place and let Iannone and Jorghey fight it out for 3rd. I give MM and Iannone huge thanks for beating the crap out of Jorghey and move into Malaysia with a manageable lead.

In reality MM lights an old rivalry with Iannone and Rossi is caught in the middle. Rossi finishes 4th with Valencia looming and is pissed that MM doesn't show his deference to his boyhood hero. He goes into Malaysia thinking that he can manipulate MM into battling Jorghey. If he would have played it more passive aggressively, more like "I guess MM is besties with Jorghey now" and left it at that, I think he would have gotten the results he was hoping for. Instead he comes out full course press on MM with data that even the announcers and pretty much every non-Italian journalist have agreed that prove more MM's story of the battle in PI. Rossi pisses off MM who decides that instead of battling Jorghey, he'll find Rossi (douchebag on his part). The battle slows Rossi down to the point where he can't catch Jorghey and Rossi falls into the ultimate trap (he should have known better). He's now handed the championship to Jorghey pure and simple.

Rossi could have STFU on Thursday. MM's douchebag battle didn't force Rossi to push him off the track. Rossi gave away the championship because even if MM would not have crashed, HRC would have complained about the move and Race Direction would not have had any choice. Neither Rossi nor MM wanted to crash on purpose, but like I said before, Rossi put them in the position. Like it or not, it is ultimately his fault. You can pregnant dog about MM all you want, but he kept it within the rules, Rossi did not. Rossi should know better. Rossi should have been above the petty shit. He should have been his usually "I push and push until I win" and he would still be the guy everyone respects. Now at least for quite a lot of us, he will be the guy that overreacted when a kid pushed his buttons.

Again, he should have STFU on Thursday. He should have settled for 3rd or 4th and gone to either Race Direction or directly to MM and said WTF? He would have kept my respect and admiration. You don't make the beast with two backsing do that shit in the middle of the race. It just shows how much the little shit got under your skin. He should have known better. He put himself in that position.

And now make the beast with two backsing Jorghey is the defacto champion unless someone can take his make the beast with two backsing ass out. And this is why I'm pissed with Rossi.

 [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [clap] [clap]

Ha.  I can hear that perfectly in my head.  The exaggerated "u" sound.  I love that supercut in Fastest when we says "poooosh" like 150 times.





I think there is more to the PI backstory than we know.  To me, it just seems that if Rossi suspected MM was sandbagging him, he would have kept it relatively quiet, said things behind closed doors, and gave 1-2 cryptic responses in the press conference.  But he didn't, he gave a bunch of non-cryptic, very bold, very blunt claims.  Rossi knows better, and from the fact that Lin Jarvis said he was aware of Rossi's thoughts on PI but that Jarvis didn't (or couldn't) convince Rossi to hold back suggests to me at least there was more to the story (I grant that I am reading deep between the lines here).  Maybe a personal thing, some comments said in private, MM snubbing Rossi in some way, something that made Rossi feel MM had it out for him on the track.  All that stuff to the Italian press about betrayal, not saying something to your face, about questioning whether MM even had posters and fanboy love for Rossi as a kid, all of that sounds to me like MM did something off frame that set this in motion.  I'm not saying Rossi didn't overreact, just that I think there is more to the story than we know.



Geez, can we get this thread to 100 pages?!  Viva la controversy!

^ This.

Wouldn't it be something if the field let Rossi through at Valencia so he could get back up there & duke it out with the front boys?  I mean just for the show if nothing else.  Assuming, that is, that he he even shows up in Spain.

I was thinking the same thing. Like clear the way for the last samurai

Rossi will show up for Valencia. If he doesn't he looks like a cry baby. Besides, he still has a 7 point lead and a lot can happen in a race. He doesn't need to win the race, and actually has a good shot if JLo finishes 3rd or worse.

JLo 3rd, Rossi needs to be 6th
JLo 4th, Rossi needs to be 9th
JLo 5th, Rossi needs to be 11th

MM will still be racing as well. With VR at the back, MM won't bother with him, and will be off to win the race and show he's #1. Add in Pedro's recent pace, and Iannone wanting a podium, possibly Dovi too, and it isn't out of the question that JLo misses the podium due to conservatism and unwillingness to really battle with guys that have nothing to lose.

 [coffee]

There's a lot of pride at stake. I can't wait, I'm gonna self induce a coma wake me in 2 weeks

Jorghey 3rd is probably the best we could hope for. Rossi 6th might be feasible. If this happens, I will not be as upset with Rossi. If a Duc can't win the championship, the next best option is "not Jorghey".

Because Rossi doesn't believe that Iannone could do any better. He knew Marquez could...and Marquez proved he could.

I'm not sure why he took the course of action he did. Sure didn't work as expected, and Lorenzo even suspected that might happen and commented in one of the interviews post press conference.

MM proved he could for one lap. He tried to break away mid race, and couldn't, so sat back and put himself in position to win. Great race craft IMO. He only beat JLo because he had been slowing down for about 3 laps.

I've been racking my brain about why in the world Rossi would indulge in this character assassination.

I think it was an elaborate plan to provide a "plausible" reason why he did not win the WC this year.
It avoids the embarrassment of being straight-up beaten by JLo.
And if he wins the WC, then he's a superhero for defeating his competition and overcoming a last-ditch conspiracy.

Honestly, questioning whether MM had his poster on the wall as a kid?
Why did he stop there?
Why didn't he just come out and say Marquez is the bastard child of the mailman?
That's grade-school shit.

I re-watched PI yesterday with my GF, she hadn't seen it.
After it ended, I told her Rossi was pissed at MM for holding him up.
She laughed, said that's crazy, he should have been pissed at Iannone.

And this threat of not going to Valencia, take his ball and go home?
More grade-school shit.

I'm still baffled with Rossi's behavior this weekend. This is whole shit is simply not like Rossi. This is a guy that spent 2 years on the shitty Duc and even though was continually baited, handled it with grace. That was not the same guy that ran directly to a pack of italian media jackals on Thursday.

That's why I think a piece of the puzzle is missing.

It's just pderbyerous.

Since what, 12 years old, MM has been executing this stratagem of fabrication?

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That's what I call a very very very "long play".

12 year old MM is the master of mind games.

 [laugh]

I just watched it again -- overhead view, Rossi & MM views, and normal feed views. I don't see how anyone sides with Rossi. I like both guys, so I'm trying to be neutral. MM might have been messing with him, but even that isn't 100%. Even if he was though, his racing was clean.

I also believe MM when he says VR's leg hit his brake lever. MM went down too fast. I don't think it was intentional on VR's part though, and MM could have avoided contact.

Keep watching, Triple J.  It's usually on the 137th or 138th viewing that you start to adopt Rossi's view.

And . . .  Rossi's starting in the back of the grid, right?  So what's to stop him from going out in Q2 and f'n with Lorenzo's fast laps to make sure Lorenzo is at least not on the first or second row?  As long as he doesn't dramatically slow on the racing lane or otherwise do anything dangerous, he should be ok.  A strategic block pass here and there should not run afoul of the rules.  [evil]  For those that would cry foul, his fans will remain his fans and everyone else will remain everyone else.  He's not going to change their minds with a "screw-with-Lorenzo" qualifying session.  

Edit:  does he even get to go out in Q2?  Maybe not.   [bang]

You are getting sleeeeeeeeepy. You did not see Rossi pushing MM off the track. MM simply went wide. You also watch MM in a previous lap jump off his bike, attempt to molest Rossi and then jump back on his own bike.

I would have absolutely zero issues with him messing with Jorghey during qualifying. In FACT, I would welcome it. BTW, you're still alive?

Nope.  Ghost posting.  ;D

If Rossi's leg/foot had hit Marquez's lever that would show up in the telemetry, right? If you ran HRC and saw proof that that was in fact the case, would you release it? I sure as hell would.

None of this goes toward clearing Rossi mind you (the telemetry NOT being released), I am just making further useless speculation and chatter.

Mark

That's quite different. Iannone was fighting for a 3rd place at top of his game.
MM was deliberately trying to slow down VR to make him lose the WC. That is clear to anyone, and that's horseshit.
If MM would have played w/out trying to make VR waste time and protect JLo, we would have likely seen DP and MM fighting for 1st place, and VR and JLo fighting for 3rd, which was better for the enjoyment of motogp fans, and honesty of the race.

What happens if Rossi sandbags at Valencia until he's lap traffic and then torpedos Lorenzo?

JLo doesn't score enough points to overtake Rossi in the standings, even if he gets back on the bike and finished the race. But does Rossi get points deducted?

I can't see him doing anything like that (to anyone other than Marquez, anyway).  But who knows, if he really has derailed...

I think this is the truth of the matter. Rossi has been great at managing his image and tainting that of his rivals, because he is a smart businessman and media manager who has built a whole marketing strategy that makes more money than his factory paycheck. You Rossi fanboys are seeing the real Rossi under great emotional pressure. This situation is his first major mistake in this area iirc.
He is the GOAT for sure, just a bit fly blown at present. At 36, with his lifestyle since pro racing, he probably feels 56 or 66 and a bit crotchety and "Gran Torino". That was a real "get off my lawn" moment with MM. Hes the GOAT because he is still evergreen somehow.


I've got my money on MM in a post race punch up, while Rossi has the height and reach, MM is a bob weaver and will come up and under with hooks, rips and uppercuts ;D.

 [laugh]

 [clap] [laugh]
Clearly devil child.

Just to be sure, security better check the grassy knoll and the book depository before the race.



Nah.  MM has the anger, but too scrawny.  My money's on the italian.  While we're at, here's my ranking of alien riders as fighters:

1. Dani - that lack of smile and small frame screams kid-that-had-to-learn-to-scrap.  I'd bet he is an accomplished student of brazilian jiujitsu, too.
2. Iannone - has the face of a 1950s boxer from Flatbush
3. Rossi - reach and size (compared to most riders) is a plus; also, old guys have no shame in using tricks of the trade such as sand in the eyes, etc.
4. Marquez - has the grit and determination, but a little scrawny in physique.  Also, emotions would get the better of him.
5. Jorge - precisely because he has referenced Bruce Lee and martial arts in interviews, you know he can't fight.  Guys that are too into quoting martial arts masters rarely make a good showing.
6. Stoner - I just don't like stoner, so he goes last.  No rationale.

Now, if we were ranking all time, it'd look more like:
1. Kevin Schwantz
2. Kenny Roberts
3. Wayne Rainey
...
57. Dani
58. Iannone
etc.

 [laugh]

Mick Doohan would be up there. He could be mean as shark shit. ;D

 [clap] He's got alot Rocco about him.

I think Dani is a biter.

I bet Cal could take any of 'em.

He's a hardarse. I bet he's had a few blues down the pub. ;)

Oooh, I forgot about Cal.  Definitely highly ranked.

I should mention that while Jorge is ranked low, he is no doubt the world's best shadow boxer.

Honestly, if Rossi had a go at MM, I dont think the the little bugger would back down. MM's sheer audacity is making me a fan. I didnt like the little shit when he started in the Moto GP class, but he's maturing. He is the only rider in years who could challenge Rossi's GOAT status if he keeps racing long enough. He came into the premiere class and broke records. Maybe, in the back of Rossi's mind, that's what it's really all about. MM is a long term threat to Rossi long after Rossi retires.

He'd tell you that he could for sure!  ;D


I really like MM, despite his seemingly poor judgment this race. No one else on the grid has his desire to win, and that can't be taught IMO. Qualifying at Austin this year was a perfect example, when he jumped the wall. Fantastic! What can be taught is patience, and he'll learn.

And you are…?

I have $100 American that says otherwise.

Still flappin' gums? :-*

I like them both

Crutchlow

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/26/crutchlow-i-would-like-to-say-sorry-to-dovi/188574 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/26/crutchlow-i-would-like-to-say-sorry-to-dovi/188574)

Why does Rossi need to get his hands dirty.  Based on the MM helping another Spaniard theory, one or more of the other Italian riders can chip in and help their countryman.

I'm not sure how willing his countrymen are to get into a dustup with any Spaniard in Valencia.

And I expect that Mike Webb will read the riot act in the rider's meeting.
And I'd also expect Carmelo to be standing right beside him, looking daggers at every last one of them.

I don't think there are any Italians that could get close enough to Jlo to even try to rough him up.

And I think Yonny and Petrucchi should be up there in the rankings for a good scrap. Petrucchi because of his size and weight, Yonny because every South American I know are tough little bastards when it comes to a fight haha

I'm hoping the helmet design for the next round is epic.

OK, an analisys of the events,

http://www.ilgiornale.it/video/sport/video-che-incastra-marquez-cosa-successo-caduta-1187369.html (http://www.ilgiornale.it/video/sport/video-che-incastra-marquez-cosa-successo-caduta-1187369.html)

I agree about all of this except the Carmelo part.

That guy is laughing...along with Rossi...all the way to the bank. ;)

Someone mentioned how jarvis didnt say anything in PI and then hes comments last week werent attacking enough at MM. So what if race direction said Rossi did it you back up your rider 100%... I think theres a clear fav in the Yami garage and it aint an Italian.

  [beer]

I dunno.  Watching the Jarvis video on motogp.com, he seems to be neutral:

- He agrees that MM was sandbagging and trying to influence the championship at Malaysia.

- He acknowledges that VR move was not a good move.  But he mentions that it came in the context of MM's riding, which while not technically against rules, was in spirit an attempt to screw with Rossi and affect the championship.

- When asked what he knew and when about VR's issue with MM, he said he was aware of VR's opinion at PI, but that he didn't know VR planned to speak up about it at the Malaysia press conference.

- When asked about JL's view that 3 pts was not enough of a penalty, Jarvis said that "well, that's his opinion".

Overall, I don't see favoritism from that series of questions.  I think he acknowledges Rossi's move wasn't the wised choice, but I think Jarvis made an effort to underline the fact that it was a reaction to MM's belligerent riding.  This was his line of argument when they appealed the decision.

I watched the video but don't speaka Italia (but I have seen The Godfather)...............what does it say?

Mark

Strong work, as usual:
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_heroes_who_h.html

Haha.  Was just about to post same article.

Agree that that it is strong work.  Good insightful summary and fair judgment.

Excellent article as usual. I have never once regretted supporting his site.  [thumbsup]

 [thumbsup] on the MotoMatters article by Emmett - a long, excellent read.

Also interesting is this look at lap times for the major protagonists up on Crash.net, and some analysis of those times & the "incident" by Randy Mamola. http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224643/1/motogp-malaysia-rossi-marquez-lap-times.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224643/1/motogp-malaysia-rossi-marquez-lap-times.html)

I still think MM would have caused Rossi to go down if they kept it up.

There is little in Italian. The whole video has Spanish commentary talking about MM behavior before the accident.

Correct on both . . .

And you both are entitled to your opinion even if it's not backed up by facts.


I feel vindicated about my reaction to Jorghey's reaction. The dude is the quintessential douchebag! 

...and I thought you two were tight.

Also, I will hence forth refer to Dani Pedrosa by his given name. He has earned my respect after his performance during the race and even more for his response during the press conference. He is the only Alien right now that deserves to be called a champion, even though he has yet to win a MotoGP championship.

he strives for perfection even with his douchiness.

 [thumbsup]

In my opinion, this statement is accurate. 


Edit: I'm glad I don't read Italian.  The Italian press is going nuts!

+1

DMF Honorary 2015 MotoGP Champion of Class:

(http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/2013-pedrosa-q-a-ahead-of-indy-motogp-1.jpg)



...also, the guy can still ride like a rocket!

The Starting Grid at Valencia
(http://i.imgur.com/Qpcxaoh.png)

+5

I'm with you on this, how many times has he been roughed up from other riders including MM and you don't hear a peep out of him.  He may be small in stature but he has king kong balls

He's still a 125 and 250 GP champion...and apparently a man among a bunch of whiny little egotistical pregnant doges.

This is why I did not say he has not won a championship. He is in fact a champion, just not a MotoGP series champion. And he is definitely not a whiny little egotistical pregnant dog. It just hurts his face to smile normally.

He's getting better at it since Puig is not around. ;)

I balked at posting this yesterday when I saw it because it is tasteless, but it is so damned funny I cannot help it.


(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/mhanis-colt/Gross.jpg) (http://s261.photobucket.com/user/mhanis-colt/media/Gross.jpg.html)

Mark

More accurate would be if you had a picture of Rossi imagining this, especially considering that Jorghey pretty much detests MM, but not quite as much as he hates Rossi.

Now possibly this, http://bit.ly/1N4SxcO (http://bit.ly/1N4SxcO)

at least you didn't post any of the others . . .

That's no better than Rossi trying to extort Dorna by threatening to not show up at Valencia. [roll]

Honda will find another sponsor.

many oil companies out there . . .

I've not seen any others, but I haven't been looking either. That one was sent my way and I thought it was the perfect balance of tasteless and funny. The handful of ass kills me.

I don't suggest that it is necessarily accurate, as ducarlos said, this is like the way Rossi (and his disciples) see it.

Mark

The whole idea for sponsors is for people to SEE their sponsorship, right? This is just a wild ass guess, but I imagine more people have seen video of the incident (and consequently the Repsol name) than at any other time before!

Mark

Europeans sure seem to be a hot headed bunch!  ;D All this talk of quitting MotoGP and not showing up to race. Geez! They'll all be there.

Rossi on Twitter

"@(null): Thank you all for the great support, you helped me overcome bitterness and pissed off.
Now works for Valencia."

Drama queen

If some omoemierda would have most likely compromised your chances for a title, you would be pissed as well.
I am actually surprised post race reactions were that calm. I know I would have kicked his head, but I'm kind of hot blooded  ;D

You forgot delusional.

First, I want to say Emmett's article is spot on. Thoughtful and all-encompassing. He continues to do great things for this sport we love.

My thoughts, for what they're worth, after mulling it over for a few days...

Rossi... I've been a fan a long time, but I wasn't at first, since I have no love for Honda. For better or worse, I consider them the Evil Empire. His actions are disappointing, to say the least, but I can't say I would do any better, given the situation. He's always been a master at getting into rivals' heads, and there may be some merit to his assessment of PI. I think his statements on Thursday were very calculated, but he misjudged how they would be taken by MM. As others have stated, he should've handled it differently.

Maybe I have yellow tinted glasses on, but what I remember of classic on track battles, he stalked his prey, showing a wheel, shadowing them, toying with them until they made an unforced error, then he would strike decisively, make a pass, and ride off to victory. If the roles were reversed, and he was passed, he would strike back within a few corners, if he had the pace, and that was that. He made hard passes, but always seemed to be in control.

Marquez... arguably the most naturally talented rider in the history of the sport, but he also has a history of being out of control. He's put people on the deck before, has no qualms about banging around and making contact, and has mastered the art of saving the front end when all seems lost. Wasn't it last year, there was an incident with JLo and after the race MM tried to apologize, but JLo gave him a finger wag and walked away? It's not like there's much love between them, but after being disillusioned by his run-ins with Rossi this year, why wouldn't MM try to help out his compatriot? Speculation, but not without merit. I think it's clear he was playing dirty during the race, while not technically doing anything against the rules. Jury is still out for me, maybe he's a sociopath, maybe he's the next legitimate superstar.

JLo... He comes out looking the worst in all of this. I think he lied about whey he left the podium, I think he lied about his involvement with Race Direction afterwards, but even giving him the benefit of the doubt on both counts, he was a petulant child in the press conference. Were this the NFL, he would've been slapped with a fine and possibly a suspension. He should've kept his mouth shut, or said regardless of his personal feelings, he would accept the outcome, move on, and do his best in Valencia. In a day filled with immature acts, his was the most egregious. Rat faced punk@$$.

Pedrosa... Earned my respect, and that pains me to say. He was thoughtful, respectful, and most impressively, his viewpoint was that of an ambassador for the sport. His disappointment seemed heartfelt, and he understood the implications for everyone, not just himself. He didn't lash out at Rossi, when he could've been forgiven for doing so, considering their history. He rode a brilliant race, thanked his team for their hard work and sticking with him, but didn't get pissy about being overshadowed by the events of the day.

Still can't forgive him for torpedoing Hayden, but, should he ever leave the Honda fold, I wouldn't root against him.

In the end, I think Rossi just misses out on his 10th, but, considering his age and history, I'd say he's done admirably well. Should he happen to overcome this BS and win the title, the incident just adds to his legend.

Regardless, the dude's gotta retire at some point, and I foresee dark times. No big rivalries, no big personalities. Someone will step up, but the current crop of 'Aliens' don't have that thing Rossi does, love him or hate him. SuperSic did, but he's gone. MM is still young, maybe Maverick or Miller or one of the young guns in Moto2 or Moto3 will come along.

Gotta thank Emmett again for pointing out these guys are still decent human beings away from racing. I mean, these riders all have their moments of red mist, adrenaline makes people do stupid things sometimes (Aaron Yates' dropkick, anyone?), it's part of what makes motorcycle racing great, the highs AND the lows.

tl;dr

Sorry for the blathering.

I definitely have to agree with a lot of what you said greycode, but I believe mm is being more than arrogant in this since he is so clearly out of control when he's riding his best times, and with this current incident it reeks of the history that has been shown so far this season, mm has stuck his nose in on vr so many times this season and been wrecked for his trouble every time, this time be simply made the mistake of presenting a situation where The Evil Empire (i love that) had the chance to fire up their whining machine, I feel this politicking stems from vr's history with Honda and the fact that they're still bitter about back when they popped off that vr was only fast because he was on a Honda and he promptly left and took the championship with him.

Thats about $130 Pacific Pesos :o [laugh]
 
Bayliss could fight. Nice fella though.

I've become a MM fan, because he refuses to be intimidated. I like that in the little shit.  [laugh]
What people are not realising is that MM doesnt give a shit about JLo or Rossi. Its every man for himself out there.
Danni is showing class. I think I'm becoming a Pedro fan.

I want to understand what race were people watching where MM was so out of control. Even Emmett made a point of describing MMs passes as clean, not once did they make contact. They were aggressive, but considering MM's previous 2 years, remarkably within control. Again, we saw 2 previous incidents between Rossi and MM this year, Argentina and Assens. To make a further point, some people were actually saying that Rossi was the aggressor in both those races. PI was an outstanding battle, but all clean racing from Rossi, MM and Iannone. Repsol's response is BS and probably used for leverage against Dorna.

Referring to mm's style in general, he's always wagging around like an overexcited dog while Rossi and Jorge are calm and smooth by comparison.

For so long it seemed like mm was just keeping his peace while Honda made waves and acted like a pregnant dogy kid after vr rightfully spit in their face following their horribly arrogant and wrong comments, now not so much, Rossi is mm's better when it comes to dueling on the track, more experience and more skill, mm is just throwing a fit because he got put in his place again just like assen and Argentina, some of his shit attitude probably started in round one when he tried to literally eat his foot instead of making turn freaking one.

Agree, there's a lot of politicking from Repsol. That's to be expected. I'm totally fine with them walking away, if that's how they feel. It's the same, indignant bloviating you see in, say, professional wrestling. Whatever.

I think the point about MM's riding is he has a history of being out of control and putting others at risk (arguably more so than JLo, Rossi, Pedrosa... probably not Simoncelli). His passes were technically legal, but this back and forth, coupled with that history gives creedance to it being more than just hard racing. I contend he should've shadowed Rossi so they could make up the gap to JLo, or he should've passed him and been done with it. If it was the last couple of laps, that kind of aggression would be warranted. No reason to pull that on lap 5. Both of them were on the edge, Rossi losing the front a couple times, MM diving in, off line, then possibly slowing up. No justification for Rossi's action, ultimately, but I wouldn't want to be dealing with MM riding like that, considering his history.

I'm not a big Stoner fan, but when the two of them raced hard, even when it got pretty hairy, I think there was enough respect and trust to know each would push the limits without blatantly stepping over them. MM hasn't gotten there yet.

+1 Dead right. MM is riding clean this year. He is growing up.

Now this, http://www.insella.it/news/motogp-2016-yamaha-divorzia-da-lorenzo-dopo-sepang-133080 (http://www.insella.it/news/motogp-2016-yamaha-divorzia-da-lorenzo-dopo-sepang-133080)

Short story: The pathetic act of Jorge Lorenzo after the race of sepang has not gone unnoticed in Yamaha.
In Particular Lin Jarvis has not digested the fact that Lorenzo has crticato the decision of his team publicly questioned the appeal against the penalty of Rossi.


NOT TRANSLATED BY ME!!!

Soooo...

does that mean we have a bet?

Now this, "sanctions for Marquez and Lorenzo for unsportsmanlike conduct"


http://motori.fanpage.it/codacons-sanzioni-per-marquez-e-lorenzo-per-condotta-antisportiva/ (http://motori.fanpage.it/codacons-sanzioni-per-marquez-e-lorenzo-per-condotta-antisportiva/)

Comments from other riders,

http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/27/what-are-the-other-motogp-riders-saying-about-the-rossi-vs-marquez-controversy/?src=SOC&dom=fb (http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/27/what-are-the-other-motogp-riders-saying-about-the-rossi-vs-marquez-controversy/?src=SOC&dom=fb)

LOLZ

http://tinyurl.com/otmptog (http://tinyurl.com/otmptog)

Sanctions from who? Nothing on the MotoGP site yet.

English...dammit!

Lol

CleanER. See: Losail, Argentina, Assen...

I can't get the subtitles to work

GENIUS.

 I agree with this statement:

“Yes VR intentionally ran wide to make a statement…but MM had more options than the one he chose to take.”
“MM could’ve turned back & got up the inside but he stayed outside & continued to push on VR, then fell onto him, that dragged VR’s leg off.”
“I think we need to focus on the real crime here. Why was VR a gentleman for so long? He should have grassed him a lot earlier.”

 [laugh]no he won't! He sucks in Valencia remember 2006

Yeah.  Replays of Sepang show a rider right at the edge.  Couple times he passed VR and the bike was not stable.  Also made contact a few times while passing Rossi, before the notorious Knee-gate incident.

I think MM's cleaner riding this season is due less to maturing and more to the fact that he had some bike issues and overall wasn't in the championship hunt.  That's speculation, I know.  We'll see whether his wild riding has in fact toned down when we reset in 2016.  My guess is it hasn't.  Why should it?  He's still young and hungry.

Hahaha

Works for everything! [thumbsup]

All those statements came from racers outside the GP paddock


Have you seen ours?

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=20564.msg366743#msg366743 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=20564.msg366743#msg366743)

Hmmm, that takes the fun out of it for sure.

Maybe your Flash Player is out of date?

I paused it throughout the dialogue and it is insanely funny

It was very well done.


Do you expect actual reporting from the Italian press? Regardless of what Jarvis actually thinks of Jorghey, he is still under contract and it would require an act of God for Yamaha to fire the douchebag. He is still faster than Rossi and still has quite a few years of battling for championships ahead of him unless Rossi torpedoes him in Valencia.

Jarvis thinks he is...

What do you suppose the penalty is for that?

I mean if Rossi takes You'reghey out as he's lapping him...is Rossi not WC because of unsportsmanlike conduct?

Or maybe pay Cudlin a couple million Euro to go slow and take him out.

It's gonna be interesting. ;D

That's for sure!

Every little thing involving VR, MM, and now JLo is being scrutinized to an absurd level. Nothing is just racing anymore, it's all a big conspiracy of some sort!  [drink]

Those 3 have made a mess of the best MotoGP season we've seen in year!

It reminds me of old time wrestling...

or even new time WWF.

It's become a show. It's kinda too bad.

Nate, if we can get VR and MM in the octagon you're on! ;D

I'm expecting Rick Flair to jump out of the stands and hit Jorghey with a metal folding chair on the last lap. I would really really really like to see this.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Nope...climbing the stairs in Valencia...

Huh?

 [laugh] I get it.

http://m.autoevolution.com/yamaha-rumored-to-part-ways-with-lorenzo-because-of-his-attitude-in-the-rossi-case-101409.html# (http://m.autoevolution.com/yamaha-rumored-to-part-ways-with-lorenzo-because-of-his-attitude-in-the-rossi-case-101409.html#)

Thanks for the English speculation link.

 [laugh]

Ducati can only hope!

Man, this gets more bizarre by the day!  [clap]

If VR and MM fight on the stairs, my boy better get up top to the stairs first to negate the height advantage. It could be a three way brawl wI th JLo. If the big punching Rocco Ianonne is there it should be good.

Jokes aside, this is appears worse than the VR/Biaggi or VR/Gibber or VR/Stoner conflicts for bad feeling. Hmmm, certain common denominator there.

JLo to Ducati next year. You heard it first ;D.







Na, I can't back that up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbZN4fV4GU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbZN4fV4GU)

do not say bad words . . . the Italians are doing good

Like I said before... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Can you imagine if Simoncelli was still with us how the battles would have been between him and MM . It would have been epic .

+ a whole make the beast with two backsing bunch

He woulda been waaaaay too busy to pay attention to the old guy winning the championship. ;)

Pigs will fly Immelmans at Mach 3 prior to that.

I got to save 'that' quote.  :D

That's a good quote but this one is better.  In my opinion.

 :D

That's like saying he's a perfect asshole. ;D

If you're going to do something, do it the best you can.   ;)

Mat Oxley also writes good articles:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/the-sepang-incident/ (http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/the-sepang-incident/)

(http://twoslow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uncle-marc1.jpg)

Re-watching the MotoGP race . ..  with the ESPN Argentina commentators and the yellow flag just happened, I saw NO issues since all rider are on track . .. NO body knows why .. .

Are you referring to Jorghey's pass under the yellow? The rule states that you can't pass under a yellow flag. This might be the hate speaking, but how did Jorghey know that it was clear and that the corner worker had made a mistake? All he sees is a yellow flag, that should automatically tell him not to pass.

I saw nothing and all 21 riders were accounted for . . . but, you're right . . . maybe Carmelo didn't see that one . . . Rules are rules and somehow, the only one following them is DP and the not aliens

"The Kick" reminded me of this, but I couldn't find any GIFs until now:

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/1020743/road-rash-o.gif)

Anyone play this as a kid?

I used to play road rash with my cousin for hours  [thumbsup]

Whip out the chains [evil]

I can't find a direct quote right now, but Mike Webb looked at it, and it was a non-event.

JLo was already past the marshall's stand, and the marshall only started to raise the flag in response to a rider going wide.
Rider did not go off, and flag was put back down.

I reject your reality! Jorghey should be banned from MotoGP immediately!

Purely based on the fact that his riding style bores me to tears, I'll accept that.

30% chance of showers for race weekend at Valencia.   ;D

It's still a week and a half away.

Precisely.  Plenty of time for it to rise to 80% and set the universe in order again.   ;)

What we can hope for is for Valencia to be really cold! Jorghey would then not be able to run off since he would need to properly heat the tires.

I'd start my rain dance but I'm already in the hot seat with the neighbors for the Malaysian GP, they called the cops on me for indecent exposure

You want it to start wet and dry out. He can't figure out when to swap bikes, or how to manage the wets on a drying track.

He only knows lap time.

Since we're making predictions and some involve indecent exposure, I'll make a prediction/wish:

During the press conference which only VR, MM and J-Lo will be present, a high flying cargo plane shipping goods and not-yet-packaged rubber sex toys will fly overhead.  The plane will lose some of  it's cargo.  The only cargo it will lose will be the sex toys.  The rubbery elongate shapes will manage to hurtle to the earth without scattering around.  The lost clustering cargo will come crashing through the roof of the press room and gently fall all over the three riders.  No one will be physically hurt.  The riders will be armpit deep in multicolored penis shaped rubber objects.  Their pit crews will have to help the riders out of the pile of rubber.

The outcome of the misfortune will be that these three riders will be united by this one event.  Not friends but united.  In future races and many years from now they will recall this emotionally devastating event they survived together.  There will be no more Honda - Yamaha riders.  No more Italian - Spanish riders.  They will be survivors. 

I predict the same plane flying overhead but carrying Sex Lube spilling it all over the track and the only rider capable riding in those conditions would be VR with an asymmetrical tire

And Rick Flair

Thankfully, no one has mentioned John Cena.

Nature Boy? Perfectly acceptable.

Was wondering where the sex toy story was going to go......

I was thinking and 1 x object lands right in front of the.
And each perfectly symbolises each of them.....
I will leave to the imagination what would land in front of them as calling that out would probably cross some boundaries....

Ok will go as far as saying one is gender non specific and one each male and female..... ;D

This is pretty funny  :D

Valentino Marquez la vendetta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sCbJCDHVpg#)

 [laugh]

 [laugh]

That was entertaining as shit!

Mark

Best video all day, I needed that

Loved it!! Especially the Colin Edwards laughs!

 [clap] [laugh] [thumbsup]

That's brilliant.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/29/open-letter-from-fim-president-vito-ippolito/188680 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/29/open-letter-from-fim-president-vito-ippolito/188680)


I think in this whole mess, Lin Jarvis and Dani are the only ones that came out looking like professionals. 

If it rains for the next race, will Rossi catch J-lo?  Will he behave?  Will Biagi be in the stands throwing banana peels at him? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQECs2qWwQ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQECs2qWwQ8)

Tinfoil hat theory... this was all planned by Dani so now everyone will like him. haha

Hmm, seems to be a common thread here.....
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2001/04/12/open-letter-from-fim-president-francesco-zerbi-to-valentino-rossi-and-max-biaggi/130395 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2001/04/12/open-letter-from-fim-president-francesco-zerbi-to-valentino-rossi-and-max-biaggi/130395)

"I want my title now!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZl_rCJtTsg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZl_rCJtTsg)

And before you think it's over...

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/30/valentino-rossi-appeals-fim-stewards-decision/188688 (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/30/valentino-rossi-appeals-fim-stewards-decision/188688)

How will Jorghey react to this one?

I watched the Rossi post race interview about the incident. He said watch the helicopter footage. Then I watched the Marquez interview where he clearly states that Rossi kicked him causing him to go down. Then I watched the slow motion helicopter footage. Unless I am mistaken Marquez banged into Rossi twice before he starts to go down and only after the second bang do you see Rossi's leg move and that move looks more like a "get the make the beast with two backs off of me move" than anything else. If I'm missing something let me know but this, to me, makes Marquez look bad and also makes him a douche liar, IMO. I don't think I like him any longer. He's not owning up to anything at all.

Can't see this going anywhere... the main issue should be that he admitted to pushing MM off the racing line.  If he didn't do that he might have a chance I think the admission of guilt seals the deal.

Keep in mind, they each have their own recollection of the incident, based on their perspective. It isn't necessary lying, just how they remember it. Goes for both of them.

If you take the time to search out the two sets of regs...

if the court deems that the FIM decision can cause 'irreparable harm'...

When deciding whether to award preliminary relief, the President of the Division or the Panel, as the case may be, shall consider whether the relief is necessary to protect the applicant from irreparable harm, the likelihood of success on the merits of the claim, and whether the interests of the Applicant outweigh those of the Respondent(s).

They can decide yes Rossi has to get the three penalty points, but serve them next year because this could be his last chance to win a championship, that being the irreparable harm.

This will be very interesting.

During this whole thing you do not take into consideration that Rossi forces Marquez out wide on purpose? This is the reason he's getting penalized, not because he may or may not have caused MM to crash. If Rossi would not have pulled that move first, this situation would not have occurred regardless of anyone's recollection or intention.

Even if FIM revokes the penalty (I give it no more than 20% chances they will), I think they have a 50/50 chance to the championship.
It would make for it a fsking interesting race, assuming MM would mind his own business this time, and go for the best place he could take.
It would also make for JLo eventual championship, for a real one, instead of a cardboard one  ;D

It would definitely make it more interesting. If Rossi ended up winning the championship, can you imagine the whining that will be coming from that side of the garage? How can you continue calling that a team? The wall would immediately come back up and more likely Jorghey will issue some sort of ultimatum stating that either Rossi goes or he goes. This will have some serious consequences depending how it plays out.

Rossi has had a good season, but he's lucky to even be in it. JLo doesn't get sick and get a bum helmet, and HRC doesn't out think themselves, and he's pulling up 3rd with no chance.

I still think he has a good chance though. MM and Pedro are going to be out for the win...JLo conservative because he won't want to crash it all away. 6th is all it'll take.

I think he will also want to be a more credible champion. Only way for that is win this race making what Rossi does less relevant.
He also knows 6th is possible. I think he will start fast and see what happens.

it's hard to say bcuz JLo knows he can't be conservative. Even if Rossi started from the back he can climb to 6th easily. Pedeosa is looking to end on a high note especially at home. MM perhaps would not want any confrontation so he'll be booking it. JLo can not afford to rest on his laurels.

this link was sent to me,

https://instagram.com/p/9cTI7OBl7z/

Stolen from this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sCbJCDHVpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sCbJCDHVpg)

posted here... http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=72077.msg1330697#msg1330697 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=72077.msg1330697#msg1330697)

We all can go on and on about all of this & most likely we all will right up to Valencia and beyond. Nothing wrong about that. I was not discussing the reason why Rossi was penalized but rather the character and response of Marquez. I think the helicopter footage shows very clearly what Marquez did and yet he describes an entirely different scene. I call it nothing less than lying. No question that Rossi pushed him and Rossi admits as much. Marquez could have chose to brake and cut under him or just slow period. Instead Marquez chose his standard butt heads & shove over move that he's used to doing and it failed, again. Also, if you watch the footage, you will see that both riders are making extreme moves under passing, especially Marquez, causing each to run wider and a lot of Marquez's moves are crazy dangerous. Racing to the max and exciting yes but very crazy dangerous and I think that contributed to Rossi's move on him. Right or wrong...... Marquez is still an out and out liar, IMO.

I like Colin Edwards twitter comment. ;D

Which one  ;)

The one I saw. ;D

Italian reporters ambush Marquez at home:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marca.com%2F2015%2F10%2F30%2Fmotor%2Fmundial_motos%2Fgp-valencia%2F1446238320.html%3Fcid%3DSMBOSO34503%26s_kw%3DtwitterCM%3DTwitter (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marca.com%2F2015%2F10%2F30%2Fmotor%2Fmundial_motos%2Fgp-valencia%2F1446238320.html%3Fcid%3DSMBOSO34503%26s_kw%3DtwitterCM%3DTwitter)

I wonder how their night in jail is going.

That didn't open

Use a computer...

not that Apple POS... :-*

Opened fine. ;D

Take this to Google Translate on your Apple thing:

http://www.marca.com/2015/10/30/motor/mundial_motos/gp-valencia/1446238320.html?cid%3DSMBOSO34503%26s_kw%3DtwitterCM=Twitter (http://www.marca.com/2015/10/30/motor/mundial_motos/gp-valencia/1446238320.html?cid%3DSMBOSO34503%26s_kw%3DtwitterCM=Twitter)

I read it in English somewhere . . .

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Hmm... had no idea of that. I agree, this will be very interesting.

That being said... the ultimate hero story for Rossi would be to get that 6th place finish with JLo coming in 3rd.  Pretty much becomes the fairytale ending to the Rossi movie.

This one?

https://twitter.com/texastornado5/status/658288104722182144

[thumbsup]

But I saw it in one of the links posted earlier in this thread.

I don't tweet.

He must have read my post.  :D

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=72077.msg1330204#msg1330204 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=72077.msg1330204#msg1330204)

That's my theory, Rossi cooked up this whole debacle.
If he wins, he's the champion overcoming a conspiracy.
If he loses, he was thwarted by the conspiracy, but not defeated on a level playing field by JLo.

Probly... ;D

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/224718/1/f1-drivers-divided-on-rossimarquez-controversy.html (http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/224718/1/f1-drivers-divided-on-rossimarquez-controversy.html)

They actually sued the Marquez  ;D
But, they weren't really reporters. They are from a sort of comic show, and they go around giving funny trophies to famous people who did some controversial action.
So it's not really journalism.
In this case the trophy was named "Coppa di Minchia", where minchia is Sicilian slang for *ick  ;)
And the trophy was indeed having one specimen of such, on top.
What happened in reality is unclear. But it is clear that the Marquez stole, and apparently destroyed, the only proof (the tapes within these guys cameras) available to clear the issue.

I guess they should have taken more back up. ;D

Sounds like the proverbial two story house...he said-she said.

Italians in Spain. Wonder how that will go....

No kidding...

http://starmotorcycle.com/marquez-vs-rossi/ (http://starmotorcycle.com/marquez-vs-rossi/)

Jason weighs in...he's the second rider to wonder why Marquez made 7 laps.

+ 1

I don't think there's a question that MM was being a douche. My question, is it better to finish 4th on Sepang and start in whatever spot in Valencia or is it better to finish 3rd and in the back of the grid?

Considering he's going to have to pass Barbera, Bautista, and Miller, if he makes it through the first lap, he'll be lucky.

IMO, 4th in Sepang and normal service in Valencia is way better than the 3rd & back of grid.

I agree. The thing is, after reviewing and graphing the lap times, VR wasn't going to do any better than 3rd no matter what. He just didn't have the pace of JLo. JLo didn't have the pace of Pedro.

MM wasn't keeping him from beating JLo, he was just pissing him off.

Then again if he didnt have those issues with mm and mm had actually fought with jlo at the pace he could have gone or fought with pedro slowing the whole race down.... What if...

Nope. The ENTIRE race VR had 1 lap that matched JLo's. Lap 11. He then followed it up with a significantly slower lap. He couldn't match JLo on the 1st lap, 2nd lap, or 20th lap. 3rd was all he had in him.

MM didn't have Pedro's pace either (no one did), and was struggling to maintain JLo's...hence his running wide at T4. VR fans can think he let JLo through, but the lap time data, including splits, doesn't support it. He was struggling to stay with those guys. In fact, after 6 laps, NO ONE was maintaining that early pace. Not even Pedro.

What MM did do, was race VR early in the race, when he should have just tucked in behind him and waited until later in the race since he didn't have the pace to gap him.

Sorry but MM never raced for top of his game.
He did seem to have better pace than VR and JLo, according to Q2 and WUP (he was 1st there).
Maybe no DP.
And maybe VR did not have the pace got get back to JLo, which took off thanks to MM having had VR lose what, 7s?
Maybe seeing that he did not have the pace to fill the 7s gap, he decided to coast and get 3rd.

Times are here BTW:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224643/1/motogp-malaysia-rossi-marquez-lap-times.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224643/1/motogp-malaysia-rossi-marquez-lap-times.html)

Q2 and WUP isn't the race. VR is often down in those, only to have great race pace. So what gives then? They were all faster than Pedro in WUP.

I graphed the lap times myself. Another guy on the AF1 forum (VR fan btw) also looked at the splits to see if MM was sandbagging when he got ahead of VR. There's no evidence of it (it changed the guy's opinion on the issue). Their constant racing did slow them down though, no doubt.

Like I said, VR never had the pace. Even before MM started bugging him. Afterwards, he wasn't only not catching JLo, he wasn't even matching him. Lap times clearly show that.

I don't know why VR fans can't believe this. JLo has been faster than VR this year consistently when the conditions have been constant.

You seem to be forgetting the beginning of the season  [roll]

Nope. I didn't forget that JLo had the flu in Austin, and a helmet issue in Qatar.  If those wouldn't have happened, JLo would most likely be in the lead right now...probably too far for VR to win, but you never know.

VR did have a better race in Argentina. JLo admitted as much, then went on a tear since.

I'm not even a JLo fan, and I think Rossi is having a remarkable season. Pretty much everyone agrees that JLo is faster in constant conditions though. VR's strength is his adaptability.

edit: I had my races confused.

Jlo is faster than most when consitions allow it. But this isnracing not practice. And jlo decisions as well as everyone elses affects outcomes. All I'm saying is that i do believe. mM's Choices in this last race did affect the outcome. I do not believe that in PI. Personnally i am a MM fan. He's the real deal but just maybe he sees this as a way to stop VR from getting a nother title that he will have to overcome. It just happens to benefit a fellow spainard. I think if it benefited ianonne or Dp he wouldnt have cared either way.

I like MM, but he was being a douche in Sepang. granted, I doubt that he purposely fell back to make Rossi's life miserable, but I do believe that when Rossi caught up, he saw red. I also believe he raced harder, but not unfairly, with Rossi, it is a race after all.

Rossi's handling of the whole thing seems to me as a built is excuse for losing the championship. Jorghey has shown that he is faster, even though he wasn't as consistent this year. Yamaha would not appreciate Rossi trying to mess with Jorghey directly. I believe his original plan was a fired up MM trying to show his idol that he's still a fan. Didn't work out as he expected.

I don't think Rossi had a plan for what he said in that press conference, I think he finally let the pressure get to him. I mean, barring some more miracles, this is his chance to beat Ago, one that no one ever saw coming or gave him credit for being able to accomplish.

Seeing that slip away with what he sees as MM interfering in the championship and messing with that unwritten rule amongst riders... I think he just flipped out and stopped playing it cool.

I agree w/ Carlos above on the 1st part^^

MM showed his immaturity this season, especially in Sepang. Not surprising, given his wild success his 1st two years in MotoGP. 2016 will be a defining year for him IMO, as no one knows what will happen with the switch to Michelins. If HRC doesn't given him a stellar bike, which is a real possibility, then he needs to react as smart as possible, and get points where he can instead of crashing out overriding the bike. Hopefully the people around him point this out to him, and get him to think more clearly. If he can grasp this last concept, then he could be the GOAT IMO. If not, he may continue to struggle, possibly getting hurt prematurely.

Remarkable that he's still in 3rd place, despite wadding it 6 times. Had he settled for six 4th place finishes instead, Valencia would be an entirely different race! Not that I blame him for this season...he's gotta learn.

Bahhhhh mm has drank the Honda koolaid hard, I think we will see him continue on his flash in the pan trajectory, and eventually Honda will show their true colors like they did when vr raced for them and it will crush mm and he will stomp off and leave the sport entirely

I see a stint at Ducati in MMs future. Just to do what Rissi could not. Even though it is not the same now....

Wow! The guy just won 3 GP Championships in a row.

He won 2 GP and 1 Moto2. He's not winning this year's GP championship.

something else to keep the fire going,  http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/motogp-honda-claims-rossi-kicked-marquez-s-brake-lever-110215 (http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/motogp-honda-claims-rossi-kicked-marquez-s-brake-lever-110215)

I never considered Nakamoto san to be desperate...

until now.

I'm sure there was a sharp impact to Marc's brake lever when he got it caught on Rossi's fairing as he tried to knock him down.

What's he supposed to do?  He's VP of Honda racing.  He has to support his riders or he's not doing his job.

At this point I'd expect him to say nothing at all.

+1 on that painter, but hrc has always had a bad case of foot in mouth disease, for instance when they held onto the 4strokes longer than anyone else at the beginning of the two stroke era and kept saying that two strokes were "uncivilized" and other colorful terms, then when they changed the rules so that the 2x larger 4 strokes would be competitive and banned 2strokes with their public campaign and lobbying about the "dirty" "evil" 2stroke, and then "rossi is only winning because he is on a Honda", they've always been pricks

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/11/03/movistar-yamaha-issue-reply-to-honda/188752

Emmett has some more info on that journalists that got mixed up with MM. MM's version of events might not be legit:

https://motomatters.com/blog/2015/11/03/editor_s_blog_motogp_s_descent_into_madn.html

The final besmirching of the series came when an Italian satirical – I use that word in its very loosest sense – TV show called Le Iene (the hyenas) sent two reporters to hand out a bogus prize to Marc Márquez at his home in Cervera. The show is famous for its attempts to humiliate and mock celebrities, and Márquez was an obvious target. When they turned up at Márquez' home, an altercation ensued in which the cameras of the two reporters were smashed and the memory cards removed by Márquez' entourage.

The Spanish press made a meal of the incident, with yet another press release being issued claiming that the Italian TV presenters had invaded Márquez' property and insulted and attacked them. On their TV show on Monday night, the Italian reporters offered a different set of events, playing a recording of the incident made with a hidden sound recorder. In that set of events, they never entered the property, but stood only on the street outside. They opened champagne and pretended to hold a podium ceremony, spraying it on the street. Márquez' family is supposed to have insulted them, and all Italians, and then grabbed the cameras. The Italian TV show has said that if Márquez wants to contradict their version of events, all he needs to do is to give back the memory cards and show the video recorded on it.

Doesn't everyone have a brake lever guard?  I thought that was required by now?

Yup...he has one.

It would take a fairly well placed kick to get by it too. Marquez hit his lever on the edge of the fairing IMO. It's the only logical explanation as it would be an easy occurrence.

He's supposed to support his riders.  He should have come out and said just that.  And then added that his riders should put their heads down and take 1st and 2nd at the next race!  Leave the rest behind.  Like Yamaha just did.

It would be more believable if MM would have said that Rossi kicked his arm, which forced him to apply more pressure on the brake. HRC should not have focused on the kick considering Race Direction already dismissed the claim.

Carlos hit it perfectly

Agreed, you hit the nail on the head, but you're expecting a reasonable, logical approach, and HRC rarely employs either.

Unfortunately for the Marquez, they also had a digital audio recorder with them, which was not stolen (and apparently destroyed - like the video memory cards) during the accident  ;D
Sorry, besides Marquez gang voices (Spanish), the other stuff is in Italian (or some slang of it):

http://mdst.it/03v571301/ (http://mdst.it/03v571301/)

I read that article this morning and was surprised to see him say Yamaha went to RD before the race and asked that they sit both VR & MM down and talk to them. They declined.

I can kind of make out what they're saying with my Spanish, pretty funny guys

I like these two stills

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-11/0AAFE631-2A42-4118-AC51-6A1A5DD48F57.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-11/0AAFE631-2A42-4118-AC51-6A1A5DD48F57.jpg.html)

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-11/5C3AFC64-61E8-4275-AF71-895B463313AD.jpg) (http://s201.photobucket.com/user/chiflado/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-11/5C3AFC64-61E8-4275-AF71-895B463313AD.jpg.html)

I'm gonna get the bottom one framed

It's good...

but it would be much much better if Rossi was flipping him off. ;D

He most likely was laughing, and saying how ya like that mother make the beast with two backser.  ;)

How do you say make the beast with two backs you you make the beast with two backsing make the beast with two backs....

in Italian? ;D

How about one of those captions "who's you're daddy?"

Or "don't f&/@ with a Jedi master son"

In reality he was thinking, "uh oh...I didn't mean for him to crash"

He's not dumb...he knew there would be a penalty.

 Vaffanculo

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/09/12-ways-to-say-screw-you-in-italian.html (http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/09/12-ways-to-say-screw-you-in-italian.html)

I remember that from my days working in East Boston...

That's like saying good morning. ;D

Nowhere near drastic enough.


There were going to be repercussions whether he crashed or not.

Probably, but not as severe. My guess a point or two on his license max.

Hard tellin'

True. Race direction did mention the penalty being for actions that caused a crash though.

http://youtu.be/7ZUybiDSzSI (http://youtu.be/7ZUybiDSzSI)