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hello folks,

i was catching up on my SBK races today on speed and luckily with TIVO i can FF all the NASCAR commercials. everyone's got their own tastes in motor sports but IMO, NASCAR's got to be the most boring racing i've ever seen. beside's passing skills and having the endurance to sit in that hot, loud car and having to avoid the other crazy people on the track, what other skills does it take to race in nascar? not really looking for an answer to this but maybe one can enlighten me... ???

i personally don't get how it can be so popular. and the commercials are just annoying.

what's your opinion?   [popcorn]

I like my racing in 60-minute segments, one tank of fuel, and no pit stops.  Thank you very much.

I heard they have a NASCAR channel on XM radio.  I can just imagine the commentary.  "There they go into a left hand turn, and they are still in a left hand turn, and here we are two hours later, still in a left hand turn."  Now if they threw some turkey bacon eating golfers out in the middle of the course, then it would be interesting.

Quote from: silentbob on July 21, 2008, 09:36:58 PM
I heard they have a NASCAR channel on XM radio.  I can just imagine the commentary.  "There they go into a left hand turn, and they are still in a left hand turn, and here we are two hours later, still in a left hand turn."  Now if they threw some turkey bacon eating golfers out in the middle of the course, then it would be interesting.

you know them boys would take out any turkey bacon eating people on the first lap.

the rest of the race would still be boring.

nascar is a horrible waste of resources in every aspect from fuel consumption to marketing of it etc etc

Quote from: crashmoto on July 21, 2008, 09:45:26 PM
nascar is a horrible waste of resources in every aspect from fuel consumption to marketing of it etc etc

why would Fortune 500 companies continue to advertise there is that is the case?

Quote from: silentbob on July 21, 2008, 09:36:58 PM
I heard they have a NASCAR channel on XM radio.  I can just imagine the commentary.  "There they go into a left hand turn, and they are still in a left hand turn, and here we are two hours later, still in a left hand turn."  Now if they threw some turkey bacon eating golfers out in the middle of the course, then it would be interesting.

yes, what would they say for the radio listeners? and the fact there are people who would check out nascar on the radio... [roll]

We had a thread on TOB, it was called NASCAR? SAMECAR!

NASCAR tops out football as the most watched sports on tv. Superbowl tops everything though. fact? yes. percent of girls who enjoy said major sport? ALOT. Why? casue its easy to understand. LEFT LEFT LEFT AHHH LEFT AHHHH.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2OcW_Hwkg

Quote from: He Man on July 21, 2008, 10:26:22 PM
We had a thread on TOB, it was called NASCAR? SAMECAR!

NASCAR tops out football as the most watched sports on tv. Superbowl tops everything though. fact? yes. percent of girls who enjoy said major sport? ALOT. Why? casue its easy to understand. LEFT LEFT LEFT AHHH LEFT AHHHH.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2OcW_Hwkg

                I'm now a NASCAR fan! [laugh]

[laugh]  [clap]

thanks heman that was hilarious1

all hail the onion!  [clap]

When I was a pup back in the '50s and maybe early '60s when we only had 3 channels on TV it was exciting, especially when a car would go over the rail.

Now , it's just a waste of gasoline that we may need for our bikes someday.

I like it.

There is a lot more than just turning left. (There are two road courses on the schedule every year, and pretty good racing on them too.)
I think driver talent plays a lot into it, but there is also a lot going into car setup and things like that. If you pay close enough attention you'll see it. You can look and see how a car is handleing and it is interesting to see what a crew will do to get it back to good -- or if the driver can keep it under control.

To me, it is a hell of a lot more exciting than F1. No passing, overgrown go-kart, video game in my honest opinion. . .

No love from me - races are way to long, and not decided by drivers or cars.

mitt

Quote from: DoubleEagle on July 21, 2008, 10:41:22 PM
Now , it's just a waste of gasoline that we may need for our bikes someday.

Your bike would destruct on that fuel.

It is leaded gasoline.

Quote from: mitt on July 22, 2008, 06:11:32 AM
No love from me - races are way to long, and not decided by drivers or cars.

mitt

So what does decide the race?   Who has the bigger flux capacitor?

The cars are pretty much all the same, but how each team sets them up is different. We're talking about 1/2# air pressure changes. That and the Drivers are what win races.  NASCAR drivers have more cars to deal with, waaaay smaller margins of error, all while they are constantly bumping each other.  If Indy and other series drivers are so good how come they can't win in NASCAR?  If you ask me watching the NASCAR guys go 4 wide at Talledega at the end of the race is more exciting than any race out there.  What is the fun in watching Indy or F1 where there is hardly any passing and no strategy.
Also the announcers for NASCAR, especially Darrel Waltrip, are always super excited and very animated.  Not like the typical boring ass european announcers for most of the other series.
I am by no means a big NASCAR fan but I do enjoy watching it if I get the chance.  If you don't want to watch it don't, but don't bash something that you don't know the details about.

back in the day.... I liked it.

now'a days.... not so much.

same car....sucks
11tyb yellow flags..... sucks
11tyb sponsers......sucks
11tyb variety of the same car/truck..... sucks
11tyb cars on the grid.....sucks

I'd much rather go sit on a sleeping bag and watch the local dirt track oval.

Quote from: metallimonster on July 22, 2008, 07:18:22 AM
  What is the fun in watching Indy or F1 where there is hardly any passing and no strategy.

Apparently you aren't aware that Indy Car's race 50% of their races on ovals.


No passing or strategy?


Try watching the Texas race.

Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 22, 2008, 07:31:28 AM
Apparently you aren't aware that Indy Car's race 50% of their races on ovals.


No passing or strategy?


Try watching the Texas race.

and dont forget the hot girl on girl pit fights ;)    [laugh]

Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 22, 2008, 07:31:28 AM
Apparently you aren't aware that Indy Car's race 50% of their races on ovals.


No passing or strategy?


Try watching the Texas race.

I watch Indy about as much as I watch NASCAR and I find that NASCAR is way more exciting and the drivers are way more likable.  I'm not hating on other types of racing I just think that NASCAR gets a bum rap that it doesn't deserve.

Like I said you watch a race at Talledega and then tell me that NASCAR is not exciting.

Quote from: metallimonster on July 22, 2008, 07:18:22 AM
If Indy and other series drivers are so good how come they can't win in NASCAR? 

I will agree with this comment...The two styles are completely different. 
IMO NASCAR is far more interesting in the fan to driver relationship.  NASCAR allows the fans to identify with not only the driver, but the sponsors as well. 
For those of you that think it is simply driving around in a circle making left turns...you must think that there is no skill involved in Flat Track racing...Having said this...NASCAR has so many requirements to make the cars equal, it is truly up to the driver and crew to have the winning vehicle.  There are many racing techniques that must be executed to be successful.  I don't know how bumbing someone at 200mph or traveling inches apart in a turn can not be exciting.  Next time you are out in your cage...drive about 3 inches from a jersey wall in a turn at (lets make it easy) 25mph...see how it feels!
NASCAR on the surface may look boring...but if you take the time to learn more about it...you just might find it interesting. 
Soccer used to be boring to me...but I was inclined to check it out to see why the whole world loved it so much...Still not a fan, but I at least have more respect for it now.

Quote from: metallimonster on July 22, 2008, 07:18:22 AM
So what does decide the race?   Who has the bigger flux capacitor?

The cars are pretty much all the same, but how each team sets them up is different. We're talking about 1/2# air pressure changes. That and the Drivers are what win races.  NASCAR drivers have more cars to deal with, waaaay smaller margins of error, all while they are constantly bumping each other.  If Indy and other series drivers are so good how come they can't win in NASCAR?  If you ask me watching the NASCAR guys go 4 wide at Talledega at the end of the race is more exciting than any race out there.  What is the fun in watching Indy or F1 where there is hardly any passing and no strategy.
Also the announcers for NASCAR, especially Darrel Waltrip, are always super excited and very animated.  Not like the typical boring ass european announcers for most of the other series.
I am by no means a big NASCAR fan but I do enjoy watching it if I get the chance.  If you don't want to watch it don't, but don't bash something that you don't know the details about.

hello metallimonster, i actually don't think i was "bashing" at all. i just said i didn't get it and i thought it's really boring to watch. i also said please enlighten me as to what skills it takes to race in nascar.

i've watched enough over the years (since the mid 70's) to know what it takes to pass, to keep the pedal to the metal, how the cars are set up, things like that are quite obvious to me. i've even driven a stock car for a few laps in Vegas. that BTW, was a real blast. that sh*t was freakin' loud and powerful. anyway, as i've grown up and have modded my own bikes and cars, so to have my level of interest in motor sports changed and i look for more technical racing...

but in the end i guess it's what ever floats your boat. one person may like ferrari's and another one may like a hummer. i personally love the dakar races as well which is whole other level of racing... [moto]

Hydra,

I wasn't trying to single you out except for the car and the driver not winning the race-still don't get that one.

It's just that a most people who do not like NASCAR know nothing about it and can only come up with "Anyone can make a left turn". Ducpenguin was right on a lot of points [thumbsup]

I actually like the LeMans races a lot but once football is on there is no other sport in my life.

Quote from: bobspapa on July 22, 2008, 07:35:52 AM
and dont forget the hot girl on girl pit fights ;)    [laugh]

Them some fiesty pregnant doges!

At a party after the 500 this year, that little demon girl (i.e. Danica) threw a nice elbow in my back to get me out of the way so she could get to the bar, followed by her lesbian looking handler.

For me, the sexiest thing in motor racing is the chicane -- nothing quite like watching a Le Mans car hunker down into a quick left-right, or a line of MotoGP bikes doing the dance from knee to knee faster than I can even think it. For me, NASCAR don't mean a thing 'cause ain't got that swing. A few years ago I tuned in to watch them on a road course, mostly for the comedy value -- best moment was watching Gordon and two others go three wide into a tight left-right, and all three spinning out simultaneously in the right hander without touching one another. Looked like synchronized swimming.

I'll acknowledge completely that NASCAR takes a tremendous amount of talent, skill and preparation to win, or even just to make it to the top level. So do golf and bowling. Visually, though, they just don't hold my attention.

Here are a few pictures from the grid at Mid Ohio last weekend from the Indy Car race.

Sorry I didn't take any pictures other then the Number 20 car, but I have an affiliation with that team.

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two more

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For me, the cool thing about NASCAR is when they... zzzzzzzzzzzz

Oh, sorry, fell asleep just thinking about it.   ;D

WRC, SCORE, Dakar and other series similar to those are so much more fun to watch IMHO, but what makes them more interesting will always make them take a back seat to NASCAR.  They're harder to spectate since you can only see a tiny part of the race instead of most or all of the track and they're remote.  Those two things also make them harder to film. 

Quote from: metallimonster on July 22, 2008, 07:18:22 AM
So what does decide the race?   Who has the bigger flux capacitor?

The cars are pretty much all the same, but how each team sets them up is different. We're talking about 1/2# air pressure changes. That and the Drivers are what win races.  NASCAR drivers have more cars to deal with, waaaay smaller margins of error, all while they are constantly bumping each other.  If Indy and other series drivers are so good how come they can't win in NASCAR?  If you ask me watching the NASCAR guys go 4 wide at Talledega at the end of the race is more exciting than any race out there.  What is the fun in watching Indy or F1 where there is hardly any passing and no strategy.
Also the announcers for NASCAR, especially Darrel Waltrip, are always super excited and very animated.  Not like the typical boring ass european announcers for most of the other series.
I am by no means a big NASCAR fan but I do enjoy watching it if I get the chance.  If you don't want to watch it don't, but don't bash something that you don't know the details about.

You do understand how this internet thing works? Right?  [cheeky]

I like the first 15 minutes and the last 15 minutes of every race. The rest is just useless filler.

WRC is awesome. And like BP said local oval/ dirt track is way more fun.

Quote from: metallimonster on July 22, 2008, 07:18:22 AM
So what does decide the race?   Who has the bigger flux capacitor?

Seems like who sneaks through the big wrecks, or who is leading when the rain starts, decides the winner most of the time?

I like F1 Much better. And there is a strategy of course. Lots of aerodynamic things to fiddle with, tire selection fuel load etc. Passing is difficult on some tracks like at Monaco while other tracks such as  Hockenheim have good passing oportunitys. The "Pace Car" doesn't come out anywhere near as often in F1 as it does in Nascar either.

I liked "Talledega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby."  That's about the only NASCAR programming I've watched in the last 10 years....

Oval Hater!


































;D

My $0.02's
Why do they call them stock cars..............when was the last time you could buy a carburated push rod V-8............forget about the doors not opening.
if you want to be stock...........the doors open and you're running a 24 valve dohc fuel injected V-6.
Like a lot of things, being there is a whole lot better.........top fuel just isn't the same on TV.
All that being said it takes a lot of skill to trade paint at 190mph.

Hey Hydra.  I did the Richard Petty thing at Las Vegas too!!   ;D   What a hoot!   [thumbsup]  

I'm not much of a NASCAR fan either but after doing 30 laps around Las Vegas in one of those cars I did get an appreciation for what's involved.  (I even managed to get a warning for getting in the other car's draft)  :P  .  My adrenaline was pumping after it was over and I had a big grin on my face.  Feeling the front end start to push as you are coming out of turn 4 and seeing the wall getting closer was kinda cool.  [evil]   I believe the instructor when he said any grandmother can drive those cars at 8/10ths but trying to go 10/10ths is a whole different ball game.  

I guess it's racing and there has to be skill involved in running fender to fender at those speeds but I'd rather watch F1 or a good sportscar race.

Quote from: sno_duc on July 22, 2008, 08:11:03 PM
My $0.02's
Why do they call them stock cars..............when was the last time you could buy a carburated push rod V-8............forget about the doors not opening.
if you want to be stock...........the doors open and you're running a 24 valve dohc fuel injected V-6.
Like a lot of things, being there is a whole lot better.........top fuel just isn't the same on TV.
All that being said it takes a lot of skill to trade paint at 190mph.

Long live the small block chevy, LT1/LS1 +EFI.

Honestly NASCAR is probably FUN to drive, but its on the same line as watching golf. Love to play, hate to watch.

He Man...I forgot to say.  That video was priceless.   [clap]    [popcorn]

Thanks!

Quote from: PizzaMonster on July 22, 2008, 08:19:30 PM
Hey Hydra.  I did the Richard Petty thing at Las Vegas too!!   ;D   What a hoot!   [thumbsup]  

+1, I did Dover, Atlanta, and Daytona

NASCAR on TV is good for taking a nap. NASCAR in person is good for getting sunburned. That being said my SO loves it.

Quote from: PizzaMonster on July 22, 2008, 08:19:30 PM
Hey Hydra.  I did the Richard Petty thing at Las Vegas too!!   ;D   What a hoot!   [thumbsup] 

I'm not much of a NASCAR fan either but after doing 30 laps around Las Vegas in one of those cars I did get an appreciation for what's involved.  (I even managed to get a warning for getting in the other car's draft)  :P  .  My adrenaline was pumping after it was over and I had a big grin on my face.  Feeling the front end start to push as you are coming out of turn 4 and seeing the wall getting closer was kinda cool.  [evil]   I believe the instructor when he said any grandmother can drive those cars at 8/10ths but trying to go 10/10ths is a whole different ball game. 

I guess it's racing and there has to be skill involved in running fender to fender at those speeds but I'd rather watch F1 or a good sportscar race.

pizzamonster, yes that was a lot of fun and i did walk away with more respect for the drivers. but i guess when i started the poll i had just finished watching (or rather FF) the commercials for nascar. maybe my low tolerance is stemming from all the hype... turning it into more than it is.

Quote from: He Man on July 22, 2008, 08:21:53 PM
Honestly NASCAR is probably FUN to drive, but its on the same line as watching golf. Love to play, hate to watch.

he man, you're absolutely right  [thumbsup]

Quote from: 95Monster on July 22, 2008, 05:35:02 PM
I liked "Talledega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby."  That's about the only NASCAR programming I've watched in the last 10 years....

his kids are hilarious! funny movie  [laugh]

Quote from: red baron on July 22, 2008, 08:50:56 PM
NASCAR on TV is good for taking a nap. NASCAR in person is good for getting sunburned. That being said my SO loves it.

[laugh] don't forget the people watching is great at nascar  [popcorn]

Usually I have some sort of reaction when someone has a blanket statement like, A is Awesome, and B sucks.

Stock car racing is just a different style of racing.  First of all it's decidedly American even though Toyota is now racing.  Who's to say what happens with how American it is in upcoming years. 
And the point that so many people seem to ignore (except for a couple) is that the cars are virtually the same.  There are only minor adjustments you can make to the cars, and those have their own tolerances.  There are some series where certain makes, like Ferrari, are always going to be close to the top because of technical superiority.  The story behind the Mclaren/Ferrari scandal shows that the technological difference between one team and another more or less MAKE the race. 
NASCAR is about who runs the best line again and again....   and again.  I'll admit that the race can be boring, but saying there's no talent or skill? 
To me that is more about real racing from a driver's perspective than who arrives at the track with the best machine.

Some of the races are exciting as hell, while others are like watching paint dry.  But if someone were watching MotoGP for the first time this year, other than watching Stoner and Rossi go at it last week, it's been fairly boring.  Stoner wins by 5+ seconds.  Or Rossi wins.   Not any more passing than what happens in NASCAR.  Perhaps less. 

Just because you think A is great, doesn't make B crap.  Saying that stock car racing takes no talent is rude and kinda trolling. 

I use to go to 6-8 nascar races a year, almost all of them with a pit pass. The reason I got out of it, was that it's the 800lb gorilla of racing, it sucks the air outta every other series in the US... Sponsor-wise, Hype-wise, and as witnessed by Speedtv's schedule coverage-wise. That and the new breed of corporate-huckster/driver left me...bored. That's why I'm scared by DMG's purchase of AMA racing.

I like it.  Would like to see more short track and road course races though.  I go to anywhere between 2 and 5 races a year and enjoy hanging out for the weekend.  I like the close racing, the passing, the speed and the sounds.  Love the sound of a  big V8.  I have to say that the sound of it is similar to my Monster.

I enjoy any kind of bike or auto racing...but have to admit the close racing and the amount of time the lead changes in the Nascar races have me hooked.

Quote from: DucPete on July 23, 2008, 05:12:02 AM
Usually I have some sort of reaction when someone has a blanket statement like, A is Awesome, and B sucks.

Stock car racing is just a different style of racing.  First of all it's decidedly American even though Toyota is now racing.  Who's to say what happens with how American it is in upcoming years. 
And the point that so many people seem to ignore (except for a couple) is that the cars are virtually the same.  There are only minor adjustments you can make to the cars, and those have their own tolerances.  There are some series where certain makes, like Ferrari, are always going to be close to the top because of technical superiority.  The story behind the Mclaren/Ferrari scandal shows that the technological difference between one team and another more or less MAKE the race. 
NASCAR is about who runs the best line again and again....   and again.  I'll admit that the race can be boring, but saying there's no talent or skill? 
To me that is more about real racing from a driver's perspective than who arrives at the track with the best machine.

Some of the races are exciting as hell, while others are like watching paint dry.  But if someone were watching MotoGP for the first time this year, other than watching Stoner and Rossi go at it last week, it's been fairly boring.  Stoner wins by 5+ seconds.  Or Rossi wins.   Not any more passing than what happens in NASCAR.  Perhaps less. 

Just because you think A is great, doesn't make B crap.  Saying that stock car racing takes no talent is rude and kinda trolling. 

Well said my friend, well said! [thumbsup] [thumbsup] ;D

it's always fun to watch the road courses and see them get confused at the first right.

other than that, motogp and WRC for me

Quote from: DucPete on July 23, 2008, 05:12:02 AM
Usually I have some sort of reaction when someone has a blanket statement like, A is Awesome, and B sucks.
Just because you think A is great, doesn't make B crap.  Saying that stock car racing takes no talent is rude and kinda trolling. 

+1!

Quote from: DucPete on July 23, 2008, 05:12:02 AM
Usually I have some sort of reaction when someone has a blanket statement like, A is Awesome, and B sucks.

Stock car racing is just a different style of racing.  First of all it's decidedly American even though Toyota is now racing.  Who's to say what happens with how American it is in upcoming years. 
And the point that so many people seem to ignore (except for a couple) is that the cars are virtually the same.  There are only minor adjustments you can make to the cars, and those have their own tolerances.  There are some series where certain makes, like Ferrari, are always going to be close to the top because of technical superiority.  The story behind the Mclaren/Ferrari scandal shows that the technological difference between one team and another more or less MAKE the race. 
NASCAR is about who runs the best line again and again....   and again.  I'll admit that the race can be boring, but saying there's no talent or skill? 
To me that is more about real racing from a driver's perspective than who arrives at the track with the best machine.

Some of the races are exciting as hell, while others are like watching paint dry.  But if someone were watching MotoGP for the first time this year, other than watching Stoner and Rossi go at it last week, it's been fairly boring.  Stoner wins by 5+ seconds.  Or Rossi wins.   Not any more passing than what happens in NASCAR.  Perhaps less. 

Just because you think A is great, doesn't make B crap.  Saying that stock car racing takes no talent is rude and kinda trolling. 

+11ty billion. If you don't like it, then you don't like it. Some of us love it. No need to bash it.

I still say it would be way more interesting if you had them drive around a golf course and the golfers can shoot at the cars while trying to evade the viscious badgers that live in the holes on the golf course.

hello folks,

not trying to offend anyone here. sorry but i didn't realize that my choice of words on the poll were still biased even if you voted yes. that would be an unfair poll...duh  [roll]

so...i've changed the wording of the poll to be more politically correct...

[popcorn]

Nascar to me:

(http://6.media.bustedtees.com/bustedtees/mf/2/7/bustedtees.d16765f225456fb9e7a87d47641fb960.jpg)


If you like it, fine.

One thing that really bothers me, is the carbon copy cars they use.  What happened to advancements/technology from the track showing up on the street?  It's now become racer replica jackets, # stickers for your back window, and ugly ass yellow letter tires.

I'll be glad when nascar becomes a dead fad and we get decent programming on tv other than 22 hrs a day of nascar news on speed. Seriously, how much can possibly be happening with one 3hr race a week that can fill 7 days of programming? I want my WRC, BTCC and LeMans back.

Heck of a race this weekend, cough cough  [roll]

mitt

Quote from: mitt on July 28, 2008, 12:51:09 PM
Heck of a race this weekend, cough cough  [roll]

mitt

Yeah..

BUT -- if you are going to bad NASCAR for this weekend, you gotta remember a few years ago 14 of the 20 teams in F1 didn't even bother trying to race at Indy cause of tires.

(I wonder how the Moto GP bikes are going to hold up there?)

Quote from: wbeck257 on July 28, 2008, 05:47:58 PM

BUT -- if you are going to bad NASCAR for this weekend, you gotta remember a few years ago 14 of the 20 teams in F1 didn't even bother trying to race at Indy cause of tires.

Yeah in 2005 20 cars came out for the parade lap, but only 6 raced.

It's the only thing that always goes to the left in the South. Got to give it some credit.

NASCAR = NASCRAP

Man sitting on couch says to wife:  "I can't decide whether to watch NASCAR on TV or watch the dust settle on the mantle."

Wife cautions:  "Oh, remember what the doctor said about your blood pressure.  You mustn't get too excited."

Man:  "You're right.  NASCAR it is."