Greetings all!
My name is Tim and I am new to the forum. I just purchased a 696 with the Termis already installed and I had a couple of questions. How can you tell of the dealer has reset the TPS? I noticed that the initial throttle input is not very smooth. It's almost like there is too much throttle with just a small input and it's kind of jerky. I'm not sure if this is a characteristic of thse bikes or the TPS needs adjusting. Any feedback is much appreciated.
Thanks,
Tim
make sure the coil wires arent reversed as thats all that was matter with mine and it behaved the same as yours.
The dealer said it was done when before I picked it up. Does anyone know the correct routing of the coil wires so I can check it?
Thanks,
Tim
Sent you a private message.
I read a post on here saying you need to get the TPS reset, which was contrary to what my understanding was. So I called a local Ducati yesterday and asked the service department if I needed them to reset the TPS on the 696 if I installed the Termis. They said yeah bring it in at 8:30 this morning and it should only take about 20 min. I took it in and when it was finished they said what they did was reenter the parameters and they told me they can't really reset the TPS, this is the first one where the bike adjusts itself. I think they said the only thing they can really adjust are some air intake screws. I mentioned to them that is why I called yesterday to see if I needed to bring it in. So it ended up costing me $27, 2 hours of my time and a gallon of gas, for pretty much nothing. I'd be a little pissed off if I actually had something else to do, besides sleep in.
So I would advise against bringing it in to get the TPS reset. If anyone else brought in their 696 and the mechanic told them something different, I would love to hear what they said.
How many miles do you have on it? I don't have Termis, but initially the bike just ran choppy at low speeds. Now that I have 530 miles on, it runs a little smoother. Even the shifting and mileage has improved, so perhaps it just needs some breaking in?
BTW, I got CRG adjustable levers and it made a gigantimous difference! I would recommend these to anyone with a 696.
gigantimous wow what a word i like that one, is that like 10 ginormous'
Quote from: sfarchie on November 20, 2008, 01:26:32 PM
How many miles do you have on it? I don't have Termis, but initially the bike just ran choppy at low speeds. Now that I have 530 miles on, it runs a little smoother. Even the shifting and mileage has improved, so perhaps it just needs some breaking in?
BTW, I got CRG adjustable levers and it made a gigantimous difference! I would recommend these to anyone with a 696.
Ditto on this!I went for a 125 mile ride yesterday. ODO now has 496 miles. Half way trough the ride, things got real smooth. Throttle input was improved, popping on deceleration decreased, and shifting wasn't as notchy. Give it a few more miles, Buddy!
(2009 M696 with the DP Termi Kit)
Quote from: sfarchie on November 20, 2008, 01:26:32 PM
How many miles do you have on it? I don't have Termis, but initially the bike just ran choppy at low speeds. Now that I have 530 miles on, it runs a little smoother. Even the shifting and mileage has improved, so perhaps it just needs some breaking in?
I've got about 3000 miles on it. 250+ with the termis. It's running great, it just seemed to be popping alot when I decelerate so I thought maybe I needed to have it adjusted.
I mainly posted this because when I did a search for 696 TPS I saw posts saying it needed to be reset. Figured I could provide some info, and save some people a little money.
[beer]
Quote from: R2 on November 20, 2008, 01:11:26 PM
I read a post on here saying you need to get the TPS reset, which was contrary to what my understanding was. So I called a local Ducati yesterday and asked the service department if I needed them to reset the TPS on the 696 if I installed the Termis. They said yeah bring it in at 8:30 this morning and it should only take about 20 min. I took it in and when it was finished they said what they did was reenter the parameters and they told me they can't really reset the TPS, this is the first one where the bike adjusts itself. I think they said the only thing they can really adjust are some air intake screws. I mentioned to them that is why I called yesterday to see if I needed to bring it in. So it ended up costing me $27, 2 hours of my time and a gallon of gas, for pretty much nothing. I'd be a little pissed off if I actually had something else to do, besides sleep in.
So I would advise against bringing it in to get the TPS reset. If anyone else brought in their 696 and the mechanic told them something different, I would love to hear what they said.
What is done on a TPS reset on your bike is not an adjustment the TPS, but it is using the scan tool to set parameters into the computer. If this step is not done the ECU does not accurately know where closed throttle, open throttle and points between are and fueling will be off. This is a very neccessary step.
It's my understanding that on the new gen 696's & 1100's the ECU does it's own TPS reset everytime you start the bike. If so, that's very cool [thumbsup]
Quote from: howie on November 20, 2008, 08:33:43 PM
What is done on a TPS reset on your bike is not an adjustment the TPS, but it is using the scan tool to set parameters into the computer. If this step is not done the ECU does not accurately know where closed throttle, open throttle and points between are and fueling will be off. This is a very neccessary step.
But if the parameters are the same for the stock and the termis, nothing changed, right? I rode for about 50 miles today when I left the dealership, it seems exactly the same to me. It should have been at least a little faster, I was $30 lighter.
Quote from: Gus Duc on November 20, 2008, 11:16:27 PM
It's my understanding that on the new gen 696's & 1100's the ECU does it's own TPS reset everytime you start the bike. If so, that's very cool [thumbsup]
You might be correct, different computer.
Quote from: R2 on November 21, 2008, 01:03:04 AM
But if the parameters are the same for the stock and the termis, nothing changed, right? I rode for about 50 miles today when I left the dealership, it seems exactly the same to me. It should have been at least a little faster, I was $30 lighter.
Did you get just exhaust or the Termi system with the DP computer? If so, you needed set up unless Gus Duc is correct. Even then, CO trim would probably need to be set. Most bikes equipped with 5.9 computers needed TPS and CO trim set through the computer. On earlier FI bikes TPS was set manually.
You can force the TPS to reset by turning the bike on/off 3 times in a row. You CANNOT touch the throttle or fast idle though or it will not reset and just revert back to the last time it had a correct reset. Otherwise it does reset itself normally - but just like when you force it - if you give any throttle or fast idle at all it will not.
We can also reset it with the DDS tool, but generally that is not needed. We haven't had to do it yet.
Quote from: desmoworks on November 22, 2008, 06:28:39 AM
You can force the TPS to reset by turning the bike on/off 3 times in a row. You CANNOT touch the throttle or fast idle though or it will not reset and just revert back to the last time it had a correct reset. Otherwise it does reset itself normally - but just like when you force it - if you give any throttle or fast idle at all it will not.
We can also reset it with the DDS tool, but generally that is not needed. We haven't had to do it yet.
Will this work for an 06 S2R? Doesn't it have a 5.9 ecu? Or is this just for the 696/1100 bikes? interesting
Quote from: bergdoerfer on November 22, 2008, 08:19:02 AM
Will this work for an 06 S2R? Doesn't it have a 5.9 ecu? Or is this just for the 696/1100 bikes? interesting
NO, this ONLY works with the 696/1100 as they use a completely different ECU. Siemens rather than Magneti Marelli.
Ah ok, had the stock ECU on my desk and saw that it had the Magnetti Marelli logo on it. Nice improvement to the ECU though, and good on you for explaining how it works. I'm going to jump on an 1100S and this is good info to have.
Quote from: desmoworks on November 22, 2008, 06:28:39 AM
You can force the TPS to reset by turning the bike on/off 3 times in a row. You CANNOT touch the throttle or fast idle though or it will not reset
I'm assuming you mean turn the key on, let the lights come on and go off, then turn the key off, three times. And we should not start the engine, adjust the the fast idle, or touch the throttle.
Quote from: howie on November 21, 2008, 04:52:53 AM
Did you get just exhaust or the Termi system with the DP computer
I put on the Termi kit with the ECU, cans and air filter. Do you know if the parameters are stored on the ECU or is it somewhere else on the bike?
Thanks for all the input and info. It's a little disheartening to find out the dealership mechanics don't really know about my bike, think I'll take it to another dealership for the services. However, it's great to have somewhere to ask questions and have discussions about it.
Quote from: R2 on November 20, 2008, 04:20:58 PM
I've got about 3000 miles on it. 250+ with the termis. It's running great, it just seemed to be popping alot when I decelerate so I thought maybe I needed to have it adjusted.
The popping won't go away even if adjusted. I was told that because of the EU emissions control program on the ECU, it always runs a bit rich. My tech was able to adjust some of it out, but it's still there. And I have to admit, I kind of like it. ;D
Thanks, Ryan for posting this thread and sending me a PM! I'm going to tackle my termis this afternoon and I'll let you know if I was successful or not.
May the Force be with me.
My pleasure.
It's now evening. How did it go???
Quote from: R2 on December 28, 2008, 10:02:34 PM
My pleasure.
It's now evening. How did it go???
Thanks to your help, we were able to get it installed! [thumbsup] We're lame so it took us longer (2.5hrs). I can't believe how many little bolts there were to take off just to get to the ECU. But luckily every bolt off were put back on. Whew!
Okay, I am a little dumbfounded on this. All my mileage and speed is now coming up as km/hr. How do I change it back to mph? ???
Here are 2 pics. I kinda like how it looks when it was partially dismantled. ;)
(http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq89/sfarchie/duc-termiinstall122808.jpg)
(http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq89/sfarchie/duc-termiinstall122808-2.jpg)
Nice. Congrats on doing your own install. It doesn't matter how long it took, as long as you did it right. ;) I like the way the plastic tanks looks, kinda reminds me of a shark. What do you think of the sound? Did you leave the baffles in or take them out? Have a good ride tomorrow!
I had the same issue with the km/hr. See 3rd post after this one for instructions on how to change it back.
Hey, Ryan. Yes, I totally love the way it sounds! It's not HD loud, but definitely louder. My friend, who rode behind me, said it sounded sweet. [thumbsup] I left the baffles in and don't think I'll take it off unless I get bored one day.
Thanks for the tip on how to change the display. I'll give it try before I head out. And, again, thanks for all your help! [bow_down]
Take the baffles out, you won't be disappointed. Not only will your bike sound better, it will also run better...less corked up.
To change the display units.
Mode Switch- switch on the left hand handlebar controls that switches between the different functions of the display, it goes up and down. For this, up means towards the front tire, down means towards rear tire.
1) Hold the mode switch up while you turn the key to on. Hold it up until the display reads "00000 PRO". Release switch.
2) Press the switch up once and the display will read "UNIT SET"
3) Hold the switch down until display reads "EU". Release switch.
4) Press the switch down repeatedly until you get to the desired setting. I think the order is:
EU > UK > USA > CND > FRA > JAP > ECU > EU
5)Hold the switch down until the display reads "MEM USA", or whichever setting you chose. Release switch.
6) Turn key to off position.
7) Turn the key to on, The right should read "USA", or whichever setting you chose, while the left side scrolls "M696 Racing"
Thanks again! If you're ever out in San Francisco, I'll buy you a beer! [drink]