Ducati Monster Forum

Ok guys, the last DIY at my place worked out pretty well.  Got the exhaust cored, the beers consumed and the music listened to.  Now I propose we get another one together and on the calendar.  I know that R-lo wants to core his pipes, but I have a new project as well.  I bought some header wrap and I want to wrap up the exhaust (or at least the tail end of it) on the Daytona.  Any takers?  ;)

sher.  just say when. be::

Machts gut!!  Wunderbar!

Anyway, now that I have come back to my senses and remembered that I am not in der Fatterland: I am open, but most likely a Saturday would be best.

can!

R-Lo will have to bring the BBQ with him...  ;D

Sod that!!  We will do it at his house!  That way all I have to bring is the Daytona and the header wrap...  ;)

I'm sure I can sort through the pile of parts and pull out SOMETHING i can do to my bike. wt:

Use it to bring dr:: !!

we'll need tail chopping and can coring bits to take to his place... kinda hard on bikes, eh?

That's right, he doesn't have many tools does he? 

I could possibly bring the dremel (after I replace the part that we burned up).  Who else has a hack saw?

You might want to wrap that pipe when it's cold. Just a suggestion.


Hi Guys!   be::

Thanks for the tip.  wt:

Oh I know.  But just figure this, it took us about two-three hours to core my cans, I figure all we need is a few more beers in the process to make sure my pipe is cold by the time we start wrapping it.  ;)

Mac!  be::


you're welcome ;D

Glad you go the sms.

Welcome, Mac!  That pretty much completes the regulars.   wt:

now for those random folk...

IIRC, I shot it to Bio as well... that's all the numbers I had on my phone.

even Will was all, "did you send me that txt yesterday?" on the phone today  ;:|

Well that's pretty much most of us then.  Bye bye DML...   :'(

Wanted to post it on here as well...

Might be doing Mod day V2 this Saturday afternoon at my place.  Anyone in?

THIS Saturday afternoon?  No can!  The wife and I have a room at the Royal Hawaiian.  NEXT saturday, though..

Hubba hubba!!

What mods did you have in mind Ben?  In one of the posts somewhere I thought you said something about flush mount turn signals.  Wrap the pipe too?  Let me know & I will bring stainless wire & safety wire pliers.

Dang it ...... Actually everyone of these threads is a "say anything" thread. You wackos.

For me it will pretty much be installing the flush mount flashers (which I intend to pick up from the post office today) and wrap the header/exhaust.  R-Lo had said something about wanting to core his pipes too, but haven't heard anything back from him lately.  Other than that, I wanted to open the door and see if anyone wanted to try and do some work on their bikes too. 

Were you going to be bringing the stuff from your house or shop? 

hmmm... someone I know has forks to install...

Tristo?  He is far too busy getting his game on to come play with us.  ;)

Or do you speak of someone else?  Someone who rides the baconmonster by chance?

perhaps.





















 ;D

That would be a pretty intensive mod, and I am not sure if we could pull it off at my garage, but I am ready and willing to pitch in.  Dare we beg Mac to volunteer his shop?  ;)

my original thought was to do the install at the same time I do my rear, but I still need to order one.

prolly going w/the penske... I seriously doubt I would know the difference in feel an ohlins unit would offer.

The house. Why?

Just curious.  I was going to say that we could meet at the shop if you had all your stuff there, but never mind.

I got the turn signals along with a another (a spare I guess) carbon tank pad and another set (also a spare?) of paddock stand bobbins in the mail today.  Need to see if I got double charged for the spare parts...

so when's this going down? saturday?

I don't think Ohlins vs. Penske, etc. is so much about feel but rather range of adjustment. 

The only advantage my shop could offer on the front forks is that I have a nice crane that could hold up the front of the bike as opposed to putting some sort of stand under the engine. I definitely have the rear shock swap out thing down. Between my monster and some other friends I've done about seven remove & reinstall/replace jobs. The crane works great for that.

awesome!


as for the rear, I'm sure anything will be better than the stockie... meh, we'll see. I gotta start shoppin'

Your house, the shop... it's all the same to me except I'd prefer one project at a time in the shop. It's more manageable that way.

That's cool.  I am sure I could manage the indicators on my own down there while also being able to lend a hand on Teddy's forks.  But I guess the best part about doing it at my house is the fact that there is beer in the fridge, and also the proximity of HideAway for an after mod run.  ;)

boo!

Question about the forks. Will they fit into the triple clamps or will those have to be changed as well?

they're the monster showas, should fit right up. I just need to drill my axle for access to some adjuster thingy on the bottom.

Adjuster thingy?    [roll]   Oh Lord,  have mercy.

Are you sure the axle isn't already drilled?  No problem if not.

 [laugh]

already checked my axle, no holes

Ok, so what's the plan?  Mod day at my place on Saturday (if Teddy doesn't have to work) and then breakfast run/ride on Sunday morning?

I thought the brekky run was saturday?

I think Tristan was going to do a brekky run on Saturday, but Mac wasn't going to be able to make it.  Thought we might get max participation if we modded saturday afternoon, then went for the ride Sunday morning...  But then what about Monday? 

do not speak of memorial day runs when mac is present  [cheeky]

hell, me neither, at that...  ;D

Uhmmm...  Why not?

i'm guessing highside memories?

Memorial day, memories, it all works!

Teddy, was that your infamous day up on Tantalus?

you must stir your own pot, my son...

no, not highside day

Stir?  Or grow?  ;)

wat... no can read?

 ;D

I thought the glorious day of infamy, of the great sit & roast, was 4th of July or Labor Day.  Shoots, I'll have to look in the archives of TOB or go back through digital photos for the date. The very first DML ride, such as it was.

ahhh, the memories...  :)

Ok, that was before my time...

On a side note; don't think I will be able to do the mod thing tomorrow afternoon afterall, as something came up.  Still down for a brekkie ride on Sunday morning though. 

have fun on your riding, kids... I know the weather's gonna be sweet, since I'm going to only see it out the make the beast with two backsing window  :'(

I checked.  That was, indeed, two years ago this weekend.  [beer]

woo wooooo! I'm not as forgetful as I think I are!

Ok, time to get this back on track again.  Teddy has suspension work to be done.  I still want to wrap my header.  I'm sure there is at least some other person that has some other thing (legal and moral please) that they want to do.  So, when shall we do it?  Well, I invited Mac over to my place this Saturday to watch the prologue stage of the Tour and he suggested that we do the wrap that day.  Anyone feel like bringing over an engine lift so we can do Teddy's bike at the same time?  ;)

and a way for me to pack forks and monoshock on my bike...

Dude, just stuff them in your backpack. 

dude, it's a Tumi, not a bag of holding...

Bag of Holding?  What's that? 
                 -Ignorant guy who definitely didn't start a D&D cub in middle school

 [laugh]

it's a good thing you didn't... I hear it decreases your chances w/the ladies by 2D10 %

LOL 

[roll]

Started one, no.  But I did play quite a bit, many many years ago...

then what's w/the eye rolling?

or is it just because you got the joke...  ;D

yessir

awesome.

so anyway, back on topic... how in the hell am I going to carry my forks and get my bike there on saturday? and support it to take all the bits off?

Lashed to the cowl.  duh.

damn my lack of sidecar!

I am too drunk to respond to any of these posts properly. Besides which I have a raging case of hiccups, third attack today, for some unknown reason. I'll have modest suggestions tomorrow after the bike ride, if I make it.

then you should be sent to the drunk thd!

speakin' of which...

It be morning now.... I only had 2 1/2 glasses of Marzen at Gordon Biersch last night. That's not enough to really get me but it was the lack of proper food and a high stress afternoon that must have put me over the edge. Not a drunk edge actually but a pissed and irritable edge. Try to live with hiccups that last for hours and you'll see. I ended up going to sleep with them last night. When I woke up today they were gone... until I stood up and then they were right back.

I digress, sorry.

Teddy -- you are welcome to bring your parts down to my shop, the new shop on Kawaiahao St.. Then come by with the bike on a Saturday and we'll hoist it up and get it done. Just a suggestion. The shop makes it so much easier.

'morning  [coffee]

that sounds like a sweet plan!

so I suppose if ben really wants to keep on waitin', we can still do a massive mod day

Too many bikes and too many mods at one time is not a good thing IMO.

fixed!

So it is prologue and header wrap tomorrow, or work at the shop?

My first guess is that it's the prologue and wrap deal.  Unless Teddy has figured out how get the bike and the parts down to the shop at the same time. One plan was to drop the parts off separately ahead of time and then get together on a Sat.  If he could work out something where someone else drove down in a car with the parts and he came on the bike that would work too.

Ok, well as I posted in the other thread, the prologue starts at 1400.  Let me know if you are still up for it, and when you want to come over, and I will give you directions to get here.

As I responded in the other thread -- call me whenever.

Dudes, give me a call if you get together.  Mac's shop is just down the road from me.  I'll stop by and say hello.  I PM'd my cell number out a few weeks ago when i was in LA.

Uhm, ok.  I'll call you, but we are going to be at my house.  Feel free to stop by Mac's shop if you want to though.  ;)

Oh, that explains it.  I"m here now and I don't see anyone?

because is there really anything outside of self?

uh oh.  Teddy has gone and gotten all philosophical on us.   [popcorn]

I think, therfore I am . . . I think?

Wherever you are that's where you're at.

Thank you for the TdF Ben. Hope the wrap is working out for you!

TdF is always on at my house.  ;)

And I'll find out about the wrap tomorrow.

What's the word on the wrap?

Still warm back there, but not as bad...

Well then,   [thumbsup]  (sort of)

Yea...  I think it would have helped if I had had another beer that day.

Do you mean we might have ended up double wrapping it?  :D

No comment.  ;)

Where's the thread with the pictures of your soon to be Sport Classic?

Nevermind, I found it. The other day you were saying it had a stock clutch cover and pressure plate. It sure doesn't look like that in the picture.  Looks like polished or chromed cover with open vents & a big hole in the side so you can watch a deep dark blue pressure plate spin.

Uhm...  You sure about that?  It is polished, but all the '06 S1000's had those...

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/002.jpg)

Think it might be the reflections that are messing with you.  Either that or the mushrooms...

Ya never know. The guy could have hidden neon bulbs all about for those crazy night rides.

looks open to me.

that makes two vs. one. we win.

Shoosh!!  You're probably drunk.

 [roll]


helloooooooo.... *looks at own sig line*


 :D

He slowly stands up on soap box, puffs chest out and lightly thumps it. "See, nah, nah, nah. He agrees with me. Hah! Two against one. Yeah! We win!"

Yea, the mushrooms have definintly gotten to you.

Better me than any of you guys. At least I know what to do with them.  :D


How come your signature cartoon shrank? Or is that the mushrooms too?

I cannot confirm nor deny whether I know anything about any mushrooms at all...



Seems to have something to do with the new forum.  It doesn't show the entire graphic.  Oh well, need to go and find a new one soon anyhow...

Ok, reviving this old thread just to post up some new info.  This will be high on the list if I end up getting an 848...

http://www.ducati.com/shop/product.jsp?prodid=prod1500121&catid=cat1030155&_requestid=29277 (http://www.ducati.com/shop/product.jsp?prodid=prod1500121&catid=cat1030155&_requestid=29277)

And I'll bet it's cheap, too!

What do mean "IF"??  [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]  BTW -- the link goes just to a generic Ducati apparel section.

Well, I have to sell one of the bikes I have now first, and I haven't been too motivated to do that... 


Pick your country (i.e. USA) and then see what happens.   :D

I am completely familiar with being on the edge and I know it'll just take the slightest nudge.... you'll need that smokin deal from your friend to have enough left over for that kit!

Well, I went down and talked to Shawn after work on Friday; gave him an idea of what he was up against.  Let's just put it this way, the bike I am looking at has the full Termi/DP kit on it and will go for below MSRP after it is shipped down here.  But, I just have to sell off one, if not both, of my current bikes to get it and that is something I am not all that motivated to do.

See, I understand that too.  A point of view that would validate the situation that both of us are in would be that, in a sense, we have the best of both worlds. Each of us has a large displacement air cooled Ducati that is a bad boy hooligan in each of their own ways.  [thumbsup]  Then we have screaming and reliable sportbikes for all those other moments.  [evil] Could an 848 do dual duty? Maybe, maybe not. After getting stuck on the Pali Sunday afternoon I was sure glad I was on the Monster.  [moto]

Rick, got an email from FedEx saying that my new parts should be at your place (BME) this Thursday.  Think there is a chance, if'in I buy obligatory post-work/ride beers, that we could do a DIY day on Saturday?

Sounds like a plan to me.

I'm in for Saturday.  I won't be much help, but I can put a twisty straw in your drink, at least.

It's the thought that counts.  ;) 

And I'm *always* thinking about you  :-*

Hey Thailor.

well played, my friend  [thumbsup]

So Rick, what time is good for you on Saturday morning?  I have to take the dog down the the vet at around ten, but am free for most of the day after that.

11 am onwards. The usual Saturday schedule. I also have light work to do on Gloria's car and my car.

Rick, we still on?  I'm about to go take Darmah to the vet, but should be done by noon.

you'd better be!  [shakes fist]

We're on. I'm at the shop now.

mine back is still on the fritz.  i'm not going to be able to ride down today.  mebbee i can have the wife drop me off.

Rick, we still on for tomorrow morning, around elevenish?  I can do earlier if that is better for you, just let me know.

It's funny that the above post is almost the same post as the top of the page.  [laugh]  We're on. 10:30 to 11:00 on.

Yep, reliving my past.  ;)

Ok, resurrecting this old post because it has become pertinent again. 

Rick, what time should we look at starting this undertaking on Friday?  Assuming Friday is still good. 

We can start about 9 or 10 if you want. You bring the SC. I'll bring the 240D. That way if we don't finish for some reason I can give you a ride home and we'll finish up on Sat. How's that? I'm not taking the 848 in on Friday as Will is doing warranty work on outer islands. Phooey!

I haven't looked inside the front axle box for a while so besides the axle and the end nut did you get all the spacers and washers that go along with the axle when fitting a wheel?

There was one small washer that came with the lock nut, but that is the only one that I saw. What other spacers would be needed? Did you take a look at the wheel itself? Did it look like it had the right spacers?

The wheel has spacers. I guess we'll see if everything is the right set up. All the parts I have are at the shop now.

Cool, thanks man. I'm going to rent a pickup in a bit to move some big things around, and will bring the brakes down to the shop when I head out. And az far as those spacers go; they had better be the right ones, or I will be sending Ed at motowheels some anthrax.

ah.

So Rick, did your parts come in?

The biggest and most important pieces did but the small pieces needed to do the job didn't. Boo!  I'm still going down to the shop tomorrow with the bike to do some shop work and maybe check out some things on the bike but I don't think the main work can be done yet. Made some Mark I tube holders tonight out of a 2x4 using a radial arm saw. They'll work fine & I can always make Mark II's later. Come on down in the late morning for a look see and maybe a test ride.  [thumbsup]

Sounds like a plan.  I'm dropping Alex off at work around ten, and need to get back home and suit up, but could be there around eleven or so.

See ya then, unless these early morning rain showers persist & get worse. Should be OK.

Yea, it's hit and miss overr here at the moment...

So, the much needed parts did not show up at South Seas this week. Boo!  :( :( [bang] [bang] ------ I still need to be at my shop anyway tomorrow and, that being the case, I could help out with some brake parts. (hint hint). As for my delayed parts; Plan B will be implemented tomorrow. Even though the parts have already been paid for I will still try to exercise other options so I can get this show on the road, so to speak.

Hmmm...  Brake work?  I wonder who would need that done...   [roll]

So what exactly is plan B?

I'll let you know.

Don't forget to bring the extra front brake lines.

Oh, it's a secret Plan B. 


They should still be down at your shop, in the bottom tray of your tool kit. 

So uhm...  What time are you getting down there?

10:30 - 11:00  the usual

A'ight.

Any word on the remaining parts Rick?  I'm not sure if Saturday will be good for me.  Alex has the day off (first weekend day in three weeks) and we were talking about going hiking for a while. 

You guys go for a hike and spend time together.

I remember some of you guys changing wheels some time ago...and was wondering how hard would it be to go from a 4.5"/160 rim/tire combo (which I'm told my bike is) to a 5.5"/180 combo which these are (they are also supposed to be for DSS)...

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2446/4085712049_3c5be7e1cc.jpg)

Info and what not will be appreciated!

if those wheels are the same axle dia as your bike, that's a good start.

I have heard that the steel swingarm will have clearance issues when going to a wider rear, and the al arms are made for it...

So the problem would be the tire and not the rim?  The wheel will have the same axle diameter (i believe...)...could I just buy a smaller tire say a 170 (would that even fit)?

yes, more of a tire/chain thing, than wheel/swingarm thing

I think.

Ben -- PM sent

Got it.  I would like to try to put them on, but I know the tank has to come off.  It's cool if you don't feel like spending much time on it.  Over all I figure it would take at least two, maybe two and a half hours, to get it all done; without counting distractions and our usual babble sessions...

Good to go if you are.

What time are you heading down? Around elevenish?  I'll print out the instructions that I found online so we will have that to go from. I'll try to email the link to you as well.

But coffee comes FIRST!!

11ish is good. G & I are off to breakfast now.

Back to the wheel subject...is this all it takes to mount the 5.5" wheels on to my bike?

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25054.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25054.0)

Just this spacer

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3905/dsc06253g.jpg)

Ok, I picked up the Rizoma fluid reservoirs (in black) from the BM who ordered them but couldnt use them.  How involved is it to replace them, add new fluid, and bleed them??

Not that hard but harder than you might think. You may need new hoses & clamps.

That sounds familiar.  Let me know when yer looking to do it and I can replace my hoses, etc at the same time.  maybe...

I gave you that extra bit of brake hose right?

It's stilli in the bag with the levers, which I have some cash for btw.  I just need to decide if it's worth it to me to buy a second caliper and rotor before installing.

Possible caliper development:  There's a set of 05 620 calipers for sale with rotors - black brembo.  They'll fit, but are they drastically different than the goldlines?  Are they goldlines painted black?  If they are inferior, would I still be better off with two of those vice the one I've got?

I believe the black ones are the same that I have laying around from the SC, also the same calipers that came stock on the S2R800.  If that is the case then they are no where near as nice and I would hold off until you could get your hands on the actual 4p2p calipers, like Teddy has.

Yeah, that's what the left side is, but finding a used right side caliper has proven quite unlikely over the years.

Hey question (I know I can search but I'm lazy)...what's the best number of teeth to go up/down when replacing the sprockets?

Are you planning on doing front or rear?  If front, I would not go anything more than one down, if at all.  There are lots of folks of the thought that altering the number of teeth on the front can throw off the crankshaft balance and make your motor go all wonky.  As far as rear goes, you could get close to the same effect as going -1 on the front by going +3.  The one possible complication with this is that you have to make sure you have enough chain length to support the change, assuming you are not replacing the chain at the same time.

there are probably an equal or greater number of folk who say 14t is the best mod ever.

so many have done it, that I imagine if it were bad, it'd be known by now

mike- R-Lo's had it on his 695, forever... you could ask him about it

Hell, I've got a 14t on the SC.  Just saying that there are quite a few people (people that know a thing or two about engines) that will warn against it. 

The deal with the 14T counter sprocket has not so much to deal with engine balance as it does with tightening up the turning radius for the chain. Some folks believe that a 520 or 525 chain shouldn't have to bend that tightly. I'm one of those folks. Since the sprocket is on a transmission output shaft it will in no way affect any crankshaft balance. I prefer going up 2 or 3 teeth on the rear sprocket ,and yes, a longer chain may need to be installed to make that work. That said, lots of folks run the 14 tooth front sprocket with zero problems. My friend Wally has a 14 front and a 42 (?) on the rear of his Monster 900. Definitely lost some top end and the engine buzzes more on the freeway but he can pull the front end up at will and hold it there.  [evil]

Definitely what I'm going for..... [evil]

He's got a 900 with stock bars.  That might count a bit more with the gearing.  [moto]

What do you guys think of this oil cooler...

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine%20%26%20Performance&productID=7157&showDetail=1&categoryID=1077 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1054%7CMonster%20Engine%20%26%20Performance&productID=7157&showDetail=1&categoryID=1077)

I'm trying to decide between this one and the DP one...

as long as you can find the bypass thingy for the filter, you should be good

looks like it has it's own mount for the head, and I like that it has Al fittings

I think I definitely need this...today the bike was running between 280-310 deg.  Not sure if that was due to it being flogged today or other stuff...

On a different topic would you guys happen to know if the tank from the MotoWheels bike fit my 695?

The oil cooler will help to a degree (pun intended) but may not be as significant as you might think. Ask Teddy. He put one in his 620 a few years ago. In stop and go traffic you might only notice a 5* cooler difference or so, if that. I think I remember Teddy saying that it helped but didn't make as big a difference as he was hoping for.  Of course it works better at speed but the whole air cooled engine is working better at speed as well.

And yes, Teddy, I thought about the oil filter bypass piece too as soon as I didn't see it in the first picture but if you click on one of the thumbnails it shows up.

And on to a different topic...How involved/hard would it be to paint the engine...is it DIY or take to someone else?

What, exactly, are you referring to when you say "paint the engine?" Cases? Block? Heads? Barrels?

if you feel good about taking it apart and getting it all back together, sure, DIY!

I, OTOH, am lazy. and would leave it in the hands of a professional

My "plan" is to get the engine painted (block...whatever else is not flat black) and while the engine is out probably get the frame/wheels powdercoated and see about getting the exhaust done (ceramic...)...now from what I gather from the responses this might not be something I want to tackle myself...so than the question is who does that around here and any ideas on prices?

I imagine you would be looking at spending a pretty good amount.  You have to account for the time required to strip the bike down, store all the parts (this would take up a good amount of space) while the paint work is being done and cured, then the time to put the bike back together again.  I might be way off with this, but I guess you'd be looking at spending at least two grand, including labor, paint and storage fees?

Finally installed all the billet pieces I ordered...

Alternator Cover
(http://www.corsair-industries.com/images/Ducati%20Alternator%20Cover/options/Anodized%20Gold.jpg)
Oil Fill Plug
(http://www.corsair-industries.com/images/Ducati%20Oil%20Fill%20Plug/options/Anodized%20Gold.jpg)
Brake/Clutch Covers
(http://www.corsair-industries.com/images/Ducati%20Coffin%20Brake%20Clutch%20Cover/options/Anodized%20Gold.jpg)
Frame Plugs
(http://www.corsair-industries.com/images/Ducati%20Frame%20Plug/Gold%20Frame%20Plug.jpg)
Tail Plugs
(http://www.corsair-industries.com/images/Ducati%20Tail%20Plug/Gold%20Tail%20Plug.jpg)

...They actually all are the same color...I guess I will keep the new wheels gold...and speaking of the wheels I think they were mailed by messenger donkey because the guy mailed them out last Saturday but they are still in Texas (according to USPS tracker...)

Oh and I finally got around to removing the exhaust baffles!

lol  almost thinking you could have been better off just buying a newer/bigger bike.

I know there's at least one local powdercoater... no idea on how much to do your whole engine, my cyl barrels were like 100 each.

wheels are probably... what's the slow one? parcel post? because it's cheap.

I hear they put it on a canoe out of cali to get here



we all can't be you, ben  :D

Yeah with the money I've dumped in parts/labor I could have traded in the bike and gotten a newer/bigger bike but where's the fun in that...

I officially high-five this post

lol  Hell, look at all the money I dumped into the SC.

I needs to get on ordering me up some brake lines so's I can relieve The Ben of his extry levers and install those beaches. 

Yup, sure do...

werd!

alls I see is you lookin' to replace it...

My point exactly. Spend all the cash personalizing to only realize that you still want more of a particular thing the bike can't give you. In my case it's more of a comfortable back, and not being able to foresee getting blown up while deployed.