Serious Safety Issue on a 2009 Monster 696

Started by mikesmithmjs, October 12, 2010, 08:19:17 AM

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Curmudgeon

Quote from: wannabfast on June 04, 2012, 08:42:01 AM
i sort of want to say the rear wheel alignment was fudged on this one, with the dual sided swing arm, its important to have the axel going straight

A 796 is SSS.  ;D
2011 796 ABS "Pantah" - Rizoma Bar, 14T, Tech Spec, Ohlins DU-737, Evaps removed, Sargent Seat, Pantah skins

wannabfast

11' M796, SC project GP slip-ons, 1100DS cams, BMC air filter with modified airbox cover, asv levers, 14t front sprocket

the_Journeyman

Strange.  I do wonder what caused this!.  I have the same attachment method on my Duc, and it's got 36,000+ miles on the original oblong part that locks the sprocket in place.

JM
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mszilves

I have a 796 also with 8000 miles on it. I also would like to know if they found a cause. I check my bike over regularly, and after reading this I went to look at the stock sprocket and everything looks fine, no sign of wear on the washer. But after hearing about two similar issues in the same thread, I'm a little worried, and would like to know if we have a root cause...
Ducati Monster 796 ABS - Best colour
Trackday upgrade pack:

-Streetfighter bars, radial brake and clutch masters
-Braking SK front rotors
-1100 Showa forks, shock mount and kickstand
-Ohlins DU737
-S4R rearsets / LSL racing pegs
-SC Project Carbon Slip-Ons, Carbon belt covers

Curmudgeon

Quote from: mszilves on June 07, 2012, 11:14:37 PM
I have a 796 also with 8000 miles on it. I also would like to know if they found a cause. I check my bike over regularly, and after reading this I went to look at the stock sprocket and everything looks fine, no sign of wear on the washer. But after hearing about two similar issues in the same thread, I'm a little worried, and would like to know if we have a root cause...

I'm beginning to think that the wrong replacement sprocket was fitted, and this failure results from running the drive train out of line. I've had this mounting system on five other Ducatis I've owned and none ever had an issue. Would be nice to hear from Coffeebaron of course.
2011 796 ABS "Pantah" - Rizoma Bar, 14T, Tech Spec, Ohlins DU-737, Evaps removed, Sargent Seat, Pantah skins

Raux

I have 16k kms on the bike. have run 15t (stock), 14t (bought from dealer in OKC) and then the 15t (stock) again. no issues, same mounting plate.

I think you guys need to look at wrong part or wrong install procedure.

mszilves

Quote from: Curmudgeon on June 07, 2012, 11:22:44 PM
I'm beginning to think that the wrong replacement sprocket was fitted, and this failure results from running the drive train out of line. I've had this mounting system on five other Ducatis I've owned and none ever had an issue. Would be nice to hear from Coffeebaron of course.

You could be right...

I'm especially curious since I just installed the 14 tooth AFAM, which I noticed is missing the 1mm recess at the outside of the socket. (The stock 15 tooth has a 1mm recess where the washer sits). So with the 14 tooth face being flush, the front sprocket now sits 1mm towards the inside as compared to stock, which you can see on the chain guide. It's not excessive, and the insides of the chain links don't quite touch the middle of the top guide. Having read this thread, I wonder if 1mm of chain misalignment would be enough to cause the issue over time.

I like the way the 14 tooth feels much better, especially around the city. I'm going to get used to the new sprocket over the weekend and if I like it, I'm going to go with a 15/42 setup instead to keep the same gear ratio, but hopefully avoid any issues.
Ducati Monster 796 ABS - Best colour
Trackday upgrade pack:

-Streetfighter bars, radial brake and clutch masters
-Braking SK front rotors
-1100 Showa forks, shock mount and kickstand
-Ohlins DU737
-S4R rearsets / LSL racing pegs
-SC Project Carbon Slip-Ons, Carbon belt covers

Curmudgeon

Are you sure you have the right one for the 796's? Mine has no recess but is from Driven Racing and I can't detect any misalignment. My chain pins definitely sit squarely on the center of the chain guide. Never realized before this thread that M and Hyper 796's were different and distinct because my dealer fitted mine from new, but that's pretty clear on the Monster Parts site. http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/52604d15/Chain-Sprocket/52604d15.html
2011 796 ABS "Pantah" - Rizoma Bar, 14T, Tech Spec, Ohlins DU-737, Evaps removed, Sargent Seat, Pantah skins

mszilves

#128
Quote from: Curmudgeon on June 08, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
Are you sure you have the right one for the 796's? Mine has no recess but is from Driven Racing and I can't detect any misalignment. My chain pins definitely sit squarely on the center of the chain guide. Never realized before this thread that M and Hyper 796's were different and distinct because my dealer fitted mine from new, but that's pretty clear on the Monster Parts site. http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/52604d15/Chain-Sprocket/52604d15.html

Pretty sure I ordered the right one. It has Driven packaging, but I didn't realize the HM796 and M796 were different? Are you sure? Even the link you sent shows both applications. This is the one I got: http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/products/final-drive/front-sprockets/52608d-14-5366

It says OEM Euro sprocket, but should be the same. If you look at the sprocket, the front face doesn't have the recess like the stock one does. This recess is KEY. This will cause a 1mm misalignment. Is yours recessed like the stock one? I can't see from your link I can only see the backside of the sprocket...
Ducati Monster 796 ABS - Best colour
Trackday upgrade pack:

-Streetfighter bars, radial brake and clutch masters
-Braking SK front rotors
-1100 Showa forks, shock mount and kickstand
-Ohlins DU737
-S4R rearsets / LSL racing pegs
-SC Project Carbon Slip-Ons, Carbon belt covers

Curmudgeon

Since you have the Driven packaging, the number on that should read 1067-525-14T. That's the one for the 796's. If you look at the link I sent, it shows 796 M/HYP and everything else.

Don't get hung up on the recess on the stock 15T. The machining of the Driven can compensate for that. You need to look at the chain run. If the pins of the chain are centered over the rib on the chain guide on the swing arm, you have no issue.
2011 796 ABS "Pantah" - Rizoma Bar, 14T, Tech Spec, Ohlins DU-737, Evaps removed, Sargent Seat, Pantah skins

ungeheuer

Quote from: Raux on June 07, 2012, 11:56:51 PM
I think you guys need to look at wrong part or wrong install procedure.
^^ This.

I'm another who ran aftermarket 14t sprocket on my M696 for 1000's of kms with no problems whatsoever.  

I agree with others though.... it would be nice to hear back from those who've had the problem and subsequently resolved it.........

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