The Official "Dogs of the DMF" Thread

[cyrus buelton]

Tail docking is debatable. 

It's not an AKC requirement any longer.  You're not going to "show" your dog anyways.  You prefer the "look" as you think "that's how they are supposed to look".  What the make the beast with two backs ever.

If tail docking is debatable, then so is ear cropping.

Your right, I am not showing my dog, but want it to look like a Doberman should.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/doberman_pinscher/

excerpt:

"Ears normally cropped and carried erect. The upper attachment of the ear, when held erect, is on a level with the top of the skull."

Photos 10 mins ago. Tag is tired and he has good ear control at this point, so they obviously move when he wants them too. you whistle, they go straight up. He is relaxed, he folds them down.









Both of our cropped doberman's have better lives than most humans. They sleep in a nice big bed, are fully loved all the time, and are treated like our children. Just wish our little buddy Alex was still with us 

[Triple J]

Long enough until the dog feels "natural" again after having his ears modified.

Flame away, Cyrus, Flame away.

Seriously Randy, you jump Cyrus' shit every post/thread you can now. Why not just ignore him if you dislike him so much?

...and if your dog's tail is cropped, then you have no business saying Cyrus shouldn't have cropped his dogs ears. Just sayin. Cyrus' dogs are abviously well cared for.

Sorry for the threadjack everyone. 

[metallimonster]

No question here that Jud's dogs are happy, extremely well cared for dogs.

Maximus and Statler just like to push Jud's buttons and bait him into getting banned.

[GLantern]

...and if your dog's tail is cropped, then you have no business saying Cyrus shouldn't have cropped his dogs ears. Just sayin. Cyrus' dogs are abviously well cared for.

+1

And tail/ear cropping has been done for centuries to no ill effects.  There are reasons behind it too the tail crop is to keep the tail out of the way when the dog is working.  The ear cropping and making them stand up is to help the dog's hearing.  It's no big deal, if it was a seriously painful surgery i'm sure the AKC would be all over it.  No reason to get your panties in a bunch over it especially looking at how well cared for his dogs are.

[ducpainter]

Seriously Randy, you jump Cyrus' shit every post/thread you can now. Why not just ignore him if you dislike him so much?

...and if your dog's tail is cropped, then you have no business saying Cyrus shouldn't have cropped his dogs ears. Just sayin. Cyrus' dogs are abviously well cared for.

Sorry for the threadjack everyone. 

I don't jump on his shit and I believe that ear cropping is barbaric.

It doesn't help with the dogs hearing...it makes it impossible for the dog to relax because it is being bombarded by noises that would otherwise be muffled by the natural huge floppy ears.

[ducpainter]

+1

And tail/ear cropping has been done for centuries to no ill effects.  There are reasons behind it too the tail crop is to keep the tail out of the way when the dog is working.  The ear cropping and making them stand up is to help the dog's hearing.  It's no big deal, if it was a seriously painful surgery i'm sure the AKC would be all over it.  No reason to get your panties in a bunch over it especially looking at how well cared for his dogs are.

Just because it suits us doesn't make it right.

Juds' dogs don't work, so that doesn't apply.

[Triple J]

I don't jump on his shit and I believe that ear cropping is barbaric.

I'm not a fan of cropping either (ears or tails). I was just pointing out that Randy's post was hypocritical...and he seems to stalk Cyrus in threads just so he can bash him. It's lame (and gets tiring to read).

[ducpainter]

I'm not a fan of cropping either (ears or tails). I was just pointing out that Randy's post was hypocritical...and he seems to stalk Cyrus in threads just so he can bash him. It's lame (and gets tiring to read).

fair enough...

I also think that  you reap what you sow.

Enough philosophy.

[somegirl]

Just because the AKC supports it doesn't make it right. 

Ear cropping and tail docking are illegal in many European countries and are not permitted by the Kennel Club (KC): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_%28dog%29#Legal_status_of_dog_tail_docking_and_ear_cropping_by_country

[SacDuc]

Just because the AKC supports it doesn't make it right. 

Ear cropping and tail docking are illegal in many European countries and are not permitted by the Kennel Club (KC): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_%28dog%29#Legal_status_of_dog_tail_docking_and_ear_cropping_by_country

The AKC is pretty much the worst thing to happen to dogs since . . . ever. No other organization has done more to promote back yard breeders than the AKC. Any jack ass that pays his money can be an AKC registered breeder of pure bread dogs. I guy work with cranks out a litter of puppies from his over bread  Golden Retreivers when he needs a couple of bucks. When the puppy market is good he pays the kick back to the AKC, gets the papers and sells the pups for $800 bucks a piece to idiots who have think that those pieces of paper mean anything other than the paid some money. When the market is bad he doesn't jump through the AKC hoops and sells them $200.

There are thousands of people doing this. Guess what happens to puppies that don't sell? That's right, killed or dropped off at your local tax supported shelter. Thank you very much. AKC does nothing to ensure its breeders breed responsibly, sell responsibly, care for dogs responsibly or treat unsold puppies responsibly.They simply hand out papers that are merely "value added" to a litter. It's sick. Unenforced mission statements and other such platitudes don't make it better.

Then there's the stupid stupid standards they have for some breeds. The cropping and chopping crap aside there are things like the exaggerated downward swoop of a German Shepherd's tail they require. This ridiculous standard all but ensures that the dog will have hip and/or digestive problems later in life. But it sure does look cool, don't it?

In short, make the beast with two backs the AKC and everything they stand for. They are the enemy of responsible dog breeding and selling. People that think their dog is somehow of a higher quality because its has AKC papers have been duped. But if that's what people need to feel superior then I guess they got what they paid for.

sac

[GLantern]

Damn didn't expect such a harsh response.......anyways i don't like tail docking or ear cropping but i wouldn't condemn someone for doing it.  And i do think the AKC is a waste of money my dog was from a championship line and i didn't bother registering him.  I was just trying to defend Cyrus because seriously i don't care if he docks his dog's tails or crops their ears.  The dude had no problem messaging back and forth with me and helping me through the sudden death of my dog.  And that is something i appreciate a lot.  He is a good person who does more for his dogs than a lot of people.

I'm not going into the argument of cropping vs not because we will be here all day and nobody will change their mind, stupid politics.

What the make the beast with two backs ever.

And this comment was completely uncalled for.



So to lighten the mood i'm putting up a pic of my Saint as a puppy who passed away recently.  Enjoy 

[somegirl]

The AKC is pretty much the worst thing to happen to dogs since . . . ever.

Not a fan here either.

[triangleforge]

A couple recent pix of our knuckleheaded canines:

Fluffy, the 100 lb. ("I've just got big bones") mooching machine, pwned by a 7 lb. cat (Yang, who's got this whole alpha thing pretty well figured out):



And Ruffles, the everlasting Shar-Pei, who's goofy & playful & puppylike at 17 years old -- Ann-Marie took him in to get him neutered almost a decade ago after she rescued him, and the vet told her that he was so old that: a) he might not survive the anesthesia, and b) he was already past the age that most Shar-Pei make it to, so there really wasn't a whole lot of point. He's got to be one of the most good-hearted souls I've ever met, of any species, despite spending the first seven years of his life on a 3-foot chain.

[duccarlos]

The debate about cropping is as fruitless as debating circumcisions. I only like mutts so I will never have to deal with an AKC breeder, but lets take Cyrus as an example. He might not want to "show" his dogs right now, but what if one of his friends who happens to be an expert in any subject talks him into showing them?

In the end, as long as the dogs are happy, why would anyone else care?

[somegirl]

He can't show his dogs because they are fixed.   AKC rule.