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[stateprez]

Lance hasn't tested positive for doping, so as far as I'm concerned, he is still very much a "hero" to many.

You are correct.  He has never tested positive....but you know who has...(except for '99 2nd place) every other podium finisher (if not higher) in Lance's tour wins:
http://bicycling.com/blogs/sittingin/

I'm a Lance "the cyclist" fan.  Everyone in cycling dopes....a cancer survivor winning the Tour 7 times, even with PED's, is unbelievable.  He is a freak of an athlete and probably trains harder than anyone.

However, Lance is the Santa Claus of cycling- great to believe in, but he's not real (clean).

[sbrguy]

It's just sad. When I started cycling, Armstrong was my first figure of inspiration; we even met him last year.

In all fairness to Contador, hopefully he'll be back in the game soon enough. Honestly, you'd have to be really stupid to blood dope (in the first place) but even more so at that level of professional cycling. If you can't do something on your own with your own abilities then why cheat - I could never understand that - whatever you might win through cheating is ultimately hollow and worthless, so what's the point?

Oh well, I suppose after this is all over we still have the solid rep of Eddy Merckx to fall back on...oh wait he doped too....crap! 

i don't think cycling is any worse than any other sports regarding ped, they are they only sport that actually punishes people and makes it known and that is why it seems worse.

football/baseball, etc, you get dinged for steroids you get sat out 4 or 5 games tops? maybe a 1/2 year then you are back again, no big deal, with cycling you get 2 year ban then lifetime much harsher than anything else.

i can totally understand why the guys do it, they are doing this for a living, their livilihood/house/kid's college has to be paid for by cycling a bike and they have a very short career then what? so the pressure is there so i don't in a way blame them for having to do what is necessary to get the next contract or pay the bills, afterall they are only hurting themselves by shooting up, the sportsmanship angle is all well and good for us, but we aren't the ones having to pay their bills if they don't win a race, etc.

as far as lance, i will say that watching him win tours through the years were great "entertainment" just like every other pro sport and also pro wrestling.  you can say this or that about physical feats of accomplishment but we literally watch these guys bury themselves for our satisfaction so its "entertainment"

but if it comes out that lance was a doper just like barry bonds/a rod/rodney harrison/andy pettit/mark mcguire/marion jones/jason giambi, then he will be just as much a piece of sh%t as all of them (a very very rich and wealthy piece of sh$t and that is no doubt cool in a way) and his livestrong foundation will be built on nothing but a lie "i raced clean 100% of the time" and all the money the foundation collected should be given back to the donors to give to a better foundation not built on a lie to bilk people out of money.

but hey who knows maybe he didn't dope and its all a moot point.

[gh0stie]

You are correct.  He has never tested positive....but you know who has...(except for '99 2nd place) every other podium finisher (if not higher) in Lance's tour wins:
http://bicycling.com/blogs/sittingin/

For the record, Jan Ullrich never tested positive for doping either.  His name was mentioned in a broad reaching scandal along with a bunch of other guys, some of who were later exonerated (including Jan)

Again, as I said....it all depends on which side of the aisle you sit.

[stateprez]

For the record, Jan Ullrich never tested positive for doping either.  His name was mentioned in a broad reaching scandal along with a bunch of other guys, some of who were later exonerated (including Jan)

Why Jan is on the list:  "Ullrich: in 2008, made a payment of a reported 250,000 euros in return for German prosecutors agreeing to close their investigation into his alleged blood doping and involvement in Operacion Puerto. (This is an accepted legal resolution in Germany, and is not considered a legal admission of guilt.)"

[gh0stie]

I'm just correcting your statement below, again he never failed a test, he was initially implicated, then cleared

He has never tested positive....but you know who has...(except for '99 2nd place) every other podium finisher (if not higher) in Lance's tour wins:

there's no point in dragging this out, since like most other debates, we both have our firm beliefs and neither one of us is going to change. but the facts are neither Lance nor Ullrich tested positive for any banned substances..period

[psycledelic]

Like Lance, dislike Lance (personally, I am a fan), believe Lance, or not.  I hope he is innocent for the simple fact that Livestrong does a lot of good for a lot of people, and I would hate to see the foundation lose any momentum because of Lance's credibility.  I know there are a lot of people who would love to see him fall from grace, but not at the expense of the Livestrong.  No one should despise anyone that much.

[Randimus Maximus]

This is an ornament that Stella found for me while we were in Moab, UT a couple weeks ago.

I sometimes resemble this when we are MTBing.

[Kopfjager]

^^^ Nice 

[Monster Dave]

No one should despise anyone that much.

to that!

This is an ornament that Stella found for me while we were in Moab, UT a couple weeks ago.

Nice! 

[sbrguy]

Like Lance, dislike Lance (personally, I am a fan), believe Lance, or not.  I hope he is innocent for the simple fact that Livestrong does a lot of good for a lot of people, and I would hate to see the foundation lose any momentum because of Lance's credibility.  I know there are a lot of people who would love to see him fall from grace, but not at the expense of the Livestrong.  No one should despise anyone that much.

If and only IF the organization is built on a lie and by a liar it should fold up and give the money back to the donors.  There are/will be plenty of other good organizations that will come along and do just as good of work but not built on a lie.

Let's all hope that he didn't dope and that nothing comes out of the investigation in him.   

If and only IF he is proven to be a doper then he is a fraud and should be treated as such.  I know that if he is proven a doper i will never ever wear any of the old lance team jerseys ever again as they would just be promoting a lie and a liar at the same time.

[psycledelic]

If and only IF the organization is built on a lie and by a liar it should fold up and give the money back to the donors.  There are/will be plenty of other good organizations that will come along and do just as good of work but not built on a lie.

Let's all hope that he didn't dope and that nothing comes out of the investigation in him.   

If and only IF he is proven to be a doper then he is a fraud and should be treated as such.  I know that if he is proven a doper i will never ever wear any of the old lance team jerseys ever again as they would just be promoting a lie and a liar at the same time.

I have to disagree.  Livestrong was founded by Lance, the cancer survivor.  Lance, the cyclist, is a spokesperson.  If he proves to be a doper.  Livestrong should drop him as the spokesperson and go about their way.  Livestrong folding up because Lance cheated would be like Nike closing shop because Tiger couldn't keep his weiner in his pants. 
The donors to Livestrong were donating for cancer research, not to Lance for his achievements.  Why should they give that money back?

If he is proven to be a fraud, he should be treated like all of the other frauds.  Run him through the mud for a couple of months and forget about.  X dopers still have a prominent place in cycling.  Reese is still a pro level manager, Zabel is Cav's saving grace,  Basso is Italy's hero, Millar is one of the most respected riders on the pro tour.  Lance can still date models, promote weak, funky tasting beer, and try to help rid the world of cancer. 

I am with you on the hopes that noting comes out of his investigation.  I also hope that the Contador mess is straigtened out without penalty.  There are many exciting years ahead between him and Schleck.  I would hate to have any of that taken away from us.

[Kopfjager]

[Randimus Maximus]

^^^^

Sweet ride!

[psycledelic]

They even make Radio Flyer anymore?

[Kopfjager]

They even make Radio Flyer anymore?

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