Harley forum compairing Monster 1000s and HD XR1200!

[lwszabo]

Harleys SUCK.

'Nuff said.

Wow thats a great post with tons of information! That is the same dumba$$  quotes people hate HD owners for...All bikes are cool its about being on 2 wheels. Besides what great bike  have you designed and built?

[Monstermash]

Wow thats a great post with tons of information! That is the same dumba$$  quotes people hate HD owners for...All bikes are cool its about being on 2 wheels. Besides what great bike  have you designed and built?

Settle down there new guy! If you love Harleys so much why don't you shuffle yourself over to the HD boards and leave this one to the Ducati enthusiasts.

And when HD builds a great bike then come talk to me.

[somegirl]

And when HD builds a great bike then come talk to me.

I think these Harleys are ok.

[peanut_man]

I think these Harleys are ok.

The day HD bought MV was one sad sad sad day...  

Just imagine harley rider straddling one of those beautiful bikes.  So so sad....

Haha, ok, i'm guilty.  I owned a Buell Lightning XB12 before.  Interesting and entertaining bike.  But sold it after a year.  If only Erik can go w/ non HD engine at that time.  Red-line at ~6800 rpm is just way too low.

[Buckethead]

It could be worse.

I have yet to see an MV with a chrome, stretched swingarm.

[DucNrun]

Settle down there new guy! If you love Harleys so much why don't you shuffle yourself over to the HD boards and leave this one to the Ducati enthusiasts.

And when HD builds a great bike then come talk to me.

Dude, are you serious???  C'mon, man you've got better stuff than that.  The OP was on point with his criticism of your "HD's SUCK" reply.  If you don't like HD's, don't buy one.  Harleys are what they are and don't really pretend to be anything else.  I think we could come to a general consensus here that it's the stereotypical Harley RIDER that has soured our taste to the brand more than anything.

[Monstermash]

Dude, are you serious???  C'mon, man you've got better stuff than that.  The OP was on point with his criticism of your "HD's SUCK" reply. 

Really? So it's ok for him to tell me I'm a dumbass?

Me thinks you need to go and read the forum rules.......

It could be worse.

I have yet to see an MV with a chrome, stretched swingarm.

Please don't give them any ideas!   

[flynbulldog]

it's the stereotypical Harley RIDER that has soured our taste to the brand more than anything.

While that is probably true for the most part it doesn't change the fact that HD's are big heavy machines that have not evolved past about 1940 and perform horribly compared to other bikes.

For me The cruiser/HD crowd is diametrically opposed to all other motorcycles. I don't consider them to be in the same hobby /sport /activity. There are so many good bikes that do everything better than HD's and cruisers that the only reason I can think of for owning one is for vanity. They are a fashion statement/accessory, you get to dress up in a pirate costume and play nasty...  That has nothing to do with motorcycling to me. I don't consider "bikers" to be motorcyclists, I don't know what to call them but they have nothing in common with me. Please don't tell me we all ride two wheels, a horse trailer has two wheels.

I was parked across the street from a popular HD hangout last year on my Hailwood and one of the pirates came over and pointed to my steering damper and asked what it was.     They just don't even have a clue.  

[NYCmonster]

Really? So it's ok for him to tell me I'm a dumbass?

Me thinks you need to go and read the forum rules.......

Please don't give them any ideas!   

Well technically he called your reply dumb ass.

I own both, Sportster and Monster, and like them both for what they are. I've seen all types of bike comparison (cruiser vs sportbikes vs metric vs jap vs british vs sportster vs dyna vs 650r vs Er-6n, etc...) and some are interesting to read. What I don't get is people knocking down other bikes.   Yes, some are slow, some are ugly, some are just badly designed, but whatever. Somewhere out there, is an owner that loves his/her slow ugly bike.  [moto]

[NYCmonster]

There are so many good bikes that do everything better than HD's and cruisers that the only reason I can think of for owning one is for vanity.

Why do you own a Duc? Go get a Japanese bike. Vanity...How many here customize their bikes which did nothing to improve performance, handling, or safety - tail chop, belt covers, paint jobs, etc. Guilty here, but then again I am a HD owner. 

They are a fashion statement/accessory, you get to dress up in a pirate costume and play nasty...  That has nothing to do with motorcycling to me.

I hear the same comments about Ducs, just substitute pirate for power ranger.

I was parked across the street from a popular HD hangout last year on my Hailwood and one of the pirates came over and pointed to my steering damper and asked what it was.     They just don't even have a clue.  

And why would he need to know what a steering damper is? 

[lwszabo]

Settle down there new guy! If you love Harleys so much why don't you shuffle yourself over to the HD boards and leave this one to the Ducati enthusiasts.

And when HD builds a great bike then come talk to me.

I am sooooooo sorry I offended you, I may be new here but I was a member of TOB for a while, probally as long as you were there (or longer) I am a member of a HD board...oh and by the way I am a Ducati Enthusiast.  But really I was not trying to go after you, i was making a statement about something you posted that was really silly... re-read you post.

[somegirl]

What I don't get is people knocking down other bikes.   Yes, some are slow, some are ugly, some are just badly designed, but whatever. Somewhere out there, is an owner that loves his/her slow ugly bike.  [moto]

+1

To each their own.

What's with the stereotypes anyway?  Harley riders wave to me and are very friendly when I meet them.  Several people on this board, including at least one Flounder, are or have been a Harley owner.  I have worked with many Harley owners and they have been very professional.  Our police here in CA ride Harleys.  I've heard multiple stories of Harley riders helping sportbike riders in need and vice versa.

I've met quite a few people on this board and most of them haven't lived up to the typical stereotype of a Ducati owner either. 

[tbird245]

Why were you on a harley forum?

[AfroStar]

I love my S4RS, I love being part of the Ducati culture, and forums.  When I bought my Monster, some people asked "why didn't I get a HD?" My answer was not that HD sucks, but it just didn't fit my image.  The image I want to portray myself as.  An image of a refinement in mechanical art, tasteful go to a lounge, daring to take fast corners, and versatile to , take it to the streets.  I always had an image of an HD rider as 6 ft man with a beer belly gut, with a beard, and I don't fit in the "Wild Hogs. Tim Allen, John Travolta, Martin Lawrence and William H" category.  Most of them.

I love my Monster S4RS, it gives me a chance to talk and relate to all riders.  The R1, GXR, ZX,.... knows about my Ohlins, and Brembo, and gives me the props the bike deserves.  The HD, Victory, Shadows, and Warriors...etc... talks to me and because the Monster with its round headlights doesn't look like a pocket rocket, speed freak.  I think people knows that Ducati are Italian motorcycle and they either love them or hate them, but they know they are exotic.  What a Ducati represents to me is a well rounded individual who is not about going fast, and is investing in a classic piece of art.

Writing about my Monster like it was my son i never had.  I miss my Monster!

[Monstermash]

I own both, Sportster and Monster, and like them both for what they are.

You are making my point. They are definately engineered (although I hate to use that word in reference to HD) as different machines. Here lies the problem.... If they are supposed to be different and that is the intent then way are they comparing the two? 

You may as well compare a dogsled to a Ducati, you'd get the same result.

I am sooooooo sorry I offended you, I may be new here but I was a member of TOB for a while, probally as long as you were there (or longer) I am a member of a HD board...oh and by the way I am a Ducati Enthusiast.  But really I was not trying to go after you, i was making a statement about something you posted that was really silly... re-read you post.

It's all good man.  In fact I respect your opinion and that you have your own views as do I which is why I thought it odd that you would call me (or my statement) a dumbass for having one of my own. I have many reasons why I think they are the biggest POS on the road. It starts with the stupid amount of money they get for them when there is really nothing that makes them worth it. I could see if they were like the Japanese brands who spend crazy amounts of money on R&D and change the design every other year but most of the models available from HD are just warmed over from decades ago with no new technology. They paint it a different color and bolt on different bars and presto, they have a new model. How well do you think Ducati would be doing if they were wrapping old bevel motors in different bodywork and selling them? Just a guess but probably not too well. 

The main reason why I hate Harleys is the whole "me too" attitude associated with most of the owners. It always makes me laugh when some rich doctor or lawyer (no offense Statler) goes out and buys the biggest most expensive HD they can find and then act all high and mighty and look down their noses at anyone who doesn't ride one. It's even funnier when they try to ride away and tip it over in the parking lot!