New S2R 1000 Owner + Advice Seek

[Betty]

Thought I'd get this out there because I am far from an expert and I know there are many questions coming my way.

Some of you may remember on TOB me asking a bit of advice for a workmate. Well he has just done the deed and is picking up his ex-demo S2R 1000 on the weekend. He was close to picking up a GT1000, but after riding both the decision was easy 

Now that he has spent all his money there is only one mod occupying his mind ... pipes. So what can you guys advise ... I don't mean personal preferences for certain pipes ... I am more concerned about all the issues I have heard about which may be S2R1000 specific. Are OzMo bikes any diffrent to the US variety?

His two primary goals are to make the thing sound like a Ducati and to get rid of the udder, so we are talking about a full system - power is not really an issue. First option is a Termi kit, but after hearing the sound-off clips he is a little partial to the sound of the Arrows. How important is an ECU, etc ... s'pose the simple question is how can he cheaply get set up and running smoothly with sound and no udder.

Thanks guys ... thought you might appreciate a mod related query 

[Betty]

... and because I know ya gunna ask ...

[Spider]

that bike is udder shit. he's bought badly. I'll come up and collect it from him so he doesn't have to make any decisions regarding pipes!

it's all part of my generous nature. 

what's ex demo cost (you can PM me if you don't want to put it up.)

and serious answer....


ZARDS are a dream....but nothing wrong with SIL either!

[Big T]

Hey Betty PM Andy55 and 748s. They both have the S2R1000.

Andy55 has the Arrows and 748s has the Zards.....

PS: Spider is such a "nice" guy to offer to help out......
      Now I see why he is called "Spider"......
      Once he gets you into his web, your gone...   

[loony888]

i have a mate with one and he has a spark mid pipe to get rid of the cat, his bike is an absolute pig below 3000 and it hunts until about 5000. pipes alone, especially if it includes removing the cat will bring this on. the termi kit with the ECU should be the best package, after that any aftermarket exhaust option with a FIM replacement ECU is apparently the only other way to fix it properly. there are devices that replace the O2 sensor and fool it into thinking it's cold and therefore richening up the fuel but it's not the right way to go and may in the long term cause damage.


paul.

[Andy55]

G'day Mark
I don't know how helpful I can be regarding my Arrow pipes as I fitted the DP ECU at the same time so I can't comment on how it would run with pipes only. As you mention though plenty of instances of this motor being on the lean side in factory trim so I can't imagine open pipes with possibley open air box on your mates bike running to well without attention to the mapping. Mine certainly had a small hestitation or stumble coming off idle when pulling away in stock trim which I just accepted as the characteristic of the bike when I got it. That has completely dissapeared with the pipes and computer.
I certainly like the sound of the Arrows but as you know they are pretty loud , I'm off work for a week and a half so if your mate is interested I'll come for a ride up your way and he can have a listen.

Andy

[Betty]

Cheers Paul and Andy - I was worried that was the case, will let him know. But would obviously still be interested in any other feedback.

As for the ride ... I am awaiting his call once he is ready for a spin. It will be interesting to see how loud is too loud - following both Andy & Jukie through some cuttings I confirm the sound is fantastic ... but enough to shake your eaplugs out 

[Spider]

yep, it's too loud, it's a pig.....I'm coming up tomorrow, have the keys ready 

(I have issues at the moment - it's been TOO long - I nearly pushed a guy off his 999 yesterday - actually that may be a sign - when the 999 starts looking GOOD it means you haven't ridden a Ducati in a while      )

[Betty]

So Spider, despite the obvious desperation for a Ducati .... is there something in particular you have your eye on?

Other than my mate's not even received S2R

[748s]

ZARD claim their full system will run well on the stock ECU
I ran the ZARD system on the stock ECU and stock airbox while waiting for a Ducati Performance ECU.
There was a random pop/fart on trailing throttle. Engine temperature was no different to stock set up.
I can verify their claim.

The DP ECU/open airbox/ZARD combination introduced some issues.
The "tuner" (importer of ECU) said because of stepper motor, idle could not be set under 1500rpm.
For awhile Idle rpm would be random, 1500 to 3000rpm, averaging around 2000rpm. 
It now sits around 1500/1700rpm.

The DP ECU made a  change in throttle responsiveness.
There is a still random pop/fart but now happens when banging  down the gears at high rpm.
The improvements are probably not worth a $1850 ECU
With or without ECU it is easy to ride, a smooth delivery of power ( the 14t front sprocket helps)

I got my system from Desmoworks (a DMF sponsor), cost around AU$1700 (including delivery) and customs/gst added about $300.
That was 18 months ago, exchange rates have been up and down since then.

[loony888]

ZARD claim their full system will run well on the stock ECU
I ran the ZARD system on the stock ECU and stock airbox while waiting for a Ducati Performance ECU.
There was a random pop/fart on trailing throttle. Engine temperature was no different to stock set up.
I can verify their claim.

The DP ECU/open airbox/ZARD combination introduced some issues.
The "tuner" (importer of ECU) said because of stepper motor, idle could not be set under 1500rpm.
For awhile Idle rpm would be random, 1500 to 3000rpm, averaging around 2000rpm. 
It now sits around 1500/1700rpm.

The DP ECU made a  change in throttle responsiveness.
There is a still random pop/fart but now happens when banging  down the gears at high rpm.
The improvements are probably not worth a $1850 ECU
With or without ECU it is easy to ride, a smooth delivery of power ( the 14t front sprocket helps)

I got my system from Desmoworks (a DMF sponsor), cost around AU$1700 (including delivery) and customs/gst added about $300.
That was 18 months ago, exchange rates have been up and down since then.

what bike is this on mate?

paul.

[Betty]

Loonydude, I think it is an S2R1000 as mentioned by Trev above.

Very interesting info. 748! I have never bothered with all the closed loop discussions on the main board ... one becasue it doesn't concern my modest little 800 and two, because it's all beyond my very limited mechanical knowledge.

I have also been told that the OzMo versions are difference to the Septic versions, so it may be mostly irrelevant anyway.

If my mate has the same experience as 748, at least it gives him more options ... could get expensive if it does work though.

Sidenote: 748, is it possible that the random flatulence could be fixed by a better tune/tuner with the DP ECU?

[dragonworld.]

Cheers Paul and Andy - I was worried that was the case, will let him know. But would obviously still be interested in any other feedback.

As for the ride ... I am awaiting his call once he is ready for a spin. It will be interesting to see how loud is too loud - following both Andy & Jukie through some cuttings I confirm the sound is fantastic ... but enough to shake your eaplugs out 

Making sure exhaust noise is ACTUALLY coming from the bikes??       

More Mex!! More beans !! More Brrrrrpppp !! 

What's all this Green Smoke?  .

[Spider]

I'd agree regarding the closed loop discussions...the septics have different ecu for their catalytic converters. Every one takes in metric, they go the imperial! everyone goes celcius they go farhenheit, everyone gets a political leader, they go bush (rectified now!).

the 'tuner' is a vital link in the operation! I can verify THAT. eh, ah, Brad Black Inc., ahem....  



Betty, other than trying to 'save' your friend...mate I'm so desperate I make 'brom, brom' noises when I ride my pushy to work...I sit at the lights trying to sound like a 'can of bolts' to replicate the clutch!

[bazz20]

I'd agree regarding the closed loop discussions...the septics have different ecu for their catalytic converters. Every one takes in metric, they go the imperial! everyone goes celcius they go farhenheit, everyone gets a political leader, they go bush (rectified now!).

the 'tuner' is a vital link in the operation! I can verify THAT. eh, ah, Brad Black Inc., ahem....  



Betty, other than trying to 'save' your friend...mate I'm so desperate I make 'brom, brom' noises when I ride my pushy to work...I sit at the lights trying to sound like a 'can of bolts' to replicate the clutch!

put some ducati stickers on your bike , bloody hurry up and buy a bike your driving us all mad