Boiling Oil!? Help!

Started by Amlethae, April 18, 2009, 02:37:46 PM

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Amlethae

So I was riding home today from work.  First day in a while that it's been 70 F outside.  I've got a 696, the oil temp on the ride home reached 5 bars therefore between 161 C (322 F) and 175 C (347 F).  I was in traffic... a lot of stop and go and slipping the clutch to stay at 4mph over the Brooklyn bridge.  I know that this whole situation is not good.  I looked down into the sight glass when I got home and saw the oil literally boiling in the glass...

Soooooooo.... wtf?  What do I do?  The oil level is fine... right between the lines.  I've got stuff on order to do an oil change and even to install an oil cooler.... obviously needed... but is something wrong with the bike to make it run this hot?  Maybe at the 600mi checkup they didn't do an oil change -- I've only got about 1250mi on it now.  Have I hurt the bike by running it to the point that the oil is boiling?

I'm freaked out.  Please help.
First bike (ever): 2008 Monster 696 [now it's the wife's]
Lost to the front end of a GMC truck: 2010 Monster 1100s w/ABS [miss it!]
Currently Riding: 2013 Streetfighter 848

He Man

you sure it aint just foaming?

If your engine oil is boiling its well over the operating temp. that shit boils at 600+ degrees (and your bike actually reads the "oil temp" at the heads.) so id suspect that your bike would shit a brick by then.

Amlethae

Quote from: He Man on April 18, 2009, 02:48:43 PM
you sure it aint just foaming?

If your engine oil is boiling its well over the operating temp. that shit boils at 600+ degrees (and your bike actually reads the "oil temp" at the heads.) so id suspect that your bike would shit a brick by then.

Ah.... maybe then it was just foaming... cause if the heads were at around 350F, the sightglass was certainly at a lower temp... is foaming a bad sign? 
First bike (ever): 2008 Monster 696 [now it's the wife's]
Lost to the front end of a GMC truck: 2010 Monster 1100s w/ABS [miss it!]
Currently Riding: 2013 Streetfighter 848

He Man

I believe it means zombies are nearby....

seriously though, im not quite sure. i think its because there might be water in the oil if your oil glass gets white and milky now, then yea its the water causing i think. when did you change the oil and was it stored over winter?

Next time you finsh riding take of the oil cap and let the vapors run out.

Amlethae

Quote from: He Man on April 18, 2009, 02:58:58 PM
I believe it means zombies are nearby....

seriously though, im not quite sure. i think its because there might be water in the oil if your oil glass gets white and milky now, then yea its the water causing i think. when did you change the oil and was it stored over winter?

Next time you finsh riding take of the oil cap and let the vapors run out.

Will do.  Stored over winter == yes.
First bike (ever): 2008 Monster 696 [now it's the wife's]
Lost to the front end of a GMC truck: 2010 Monster 1100s w/ABS [miss it!]
Currently Riding: 2013 Streetfighter 848

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obsidian gt

Yeah, just do an oil change if it concerns you.  My 696 was doing the same thing (2500 miles), changed the oil and no more foam.  In my case it might have something to do with the fact that a certain dealership in or around Yorktown (I'm not naming names) used car oil for the 600 mi. service, hence the reason I just did an oil change!

amcloud

Your bike would be dead if the oil was boiling.  Those temps are not nearly high enough to boil oil.
M696 - sold, M1100s - gold Speedy kukri pressure plate, black Speedy halflife cover, Pazzo shorty racing levers, 14 tooth front, CRG ls, Speedy sliders all around, Leo Vince exhaust.

the_Journeyman

Quote from: obsidian gt on April 18, 2009, 07:25:04 PM
In my case it might have something to do with the fact that a certain dealership in or around Yorktown (I'm not naming names) used car oil for the 600 mi. service,

Shouldn't be a problem.  I run Mobile1 Devlac  (formulated for diesel engines) in my M750 and 900SS, also ran it in my Suzuki GS1150 no issues.  I've run many car oils off the shelf from Wal-Mart in many different bikes over the years and "car oil" and "motorcycle oil" in many cases (friction-modified oils aside as they don't like wet clutches) only differs on the outside of the bottle.

JM
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Quote from: r_ciao on January 28, 2011, 10:30:29 AM
ADULT TRUTHS

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Langanobob

#9
It's a shame that you have to spend the time and money to install an oil cooler on a new bike just to be able to ride it.  Heavy traffic on a warm day is all part of normal riding and motorcycle use and it seems like there should be some recourse to Ducati but I guess not?

I give up on commenting on motorcycle oil because anyone with a computer and and opinion thinks they're an oil  expert and there are just too many confusing comments.  There was a guy named Georgecls who was a genuine oil expert, a professional lubrication engineer who shared  a lot of very valuable information with us.  Unfortunately George passed away last fall and the knowledge that he took such care in passing on to us is being forgotten.

One of our members, zarn02 has gone to the worthy effort of compiling a lot of George's oil comments here:

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0

If you have the interest, and it seems like you do, the thread is worth reading.


scduc

Wouldn't the electronics start melting before the oil would acually start to boil? I mean that the engine case would be soooo freakin hot, it would have melted the plastic on your boots.
08' S2R 1K   That was close  damn near lost a $400 hand cart.

the_Journeyman

Good read, thanks for the link!

JM
Got Torque?
Quote from: r_ciao on January 28, 2011, 10:30:29 AM
ADULT TRUTHS

10. Bad decisions make good stories.

Pedro-bot

Quote from: Langanobob on April 19, 2009, 11:37:57 AM
<SNIP>
  There was a guy named Georgecls who was a genuine oil expert, a professional lubrication engineer who shared  a lot of very valuable information with us.  Unfortunately George passed away last fall ..... <SNIP>



Didn't know that. Damn.
RIP George.  :(
1999 M750 AKA Little Blue Monster, 2002 S4, 2006 Sport 1000, 2008 Sport 1000, 2005 749s, 2018 R NineT Urban GS

Howie

201oC is overheated on a 696.  The sensor is not in the sump like earlier Monsters.  It is up high in the vertical cylinder.  The oil would be hotter in that location and, I would imagine, the hot metal of the cylinder probably adds to the elevated readings.

Raux

the only time i saw the oil boil... hehe... was when i had the coil... hehehe... issue. i had to toil... OMG hehe... an hour and a half to OKC to get an oil... lol LMAO.. change and the coil... ROFLMAO... fixed. after that no boiled oil...  [laugh]