Plastic Tank problems: Discussion thread, see info thread sticky for updates

Started by ducatiz, June 09, 2009, 12:56:37 PM

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K3V1N

OK, I'm back with one more question to make this thread even longer :)

I called the dealer to setup a appointment to get the tank swapped and pick up the new one to coat it. The person I spoke to said that if I coat the tank and it ever expands again it will not be replaced. Because coating it voids the warranty.

Now I'm back on the fence to coat it our just use some kind of additive reduce the moisture in the tank.

Has anyone heard the warranty issue before?

ducatiz

Quote from: K3V1N on May 15, 2012, 11:48:03 AM
OK, I'm back with one more question to make this thread even longer :)

I called the dealer to setup a appointment to get the tank swapped and pick up the new one to coat it. The person I spoke to said that if I coat the tank and it ever expands again it will not be replaced. Because coating it voids the warranty.

Now I'm back on the fence to coat it our just use some kind of additive reduce the moisture in the tank.

Has anyone heard the warranty issue before?

IF the coating fails AND it is directly related to some kind of tank failure then it would void the warranty, but that is an issue of proof under the law.

Let's say your engine blows and you have a coated tank.  Voided warranty?  Not likely.  The fuel pump and filter would pick up any material.

In fact, I can think of nothing outside of the tank itself that the coating could affect even if it failed miserably -- and the tank failure would be limited to an expanding tank, which you already have.

Most service/dealer people know warranty law slightly worse than I know how to pilot the space shuttle.
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My dealer told me the same thing.  I followed the same logic Ducatiz just outlined, and in addition considered the fact that I'm unlikely to get another shot at the (replacement tank) apple anyway, since my bike is a 2006 MY and will very shortly be outside the scope of the settlement.  Also, if the coated replacement tank does expand also, and I take it to a different dealer, I think it's questionable whether they could determine that it was coated (or would care, when filing the claim with Ducati).  So taking all of the above into account, I got my new tank coated before reinstalling and filling it with fuel the first time, despite the warning from my dealer.

Dave

Quote from: K3V1N on May 15, 2012, 11:48:03 AM

I called the dealer to setup a appointment to get the tank swapped and pick up the new one to coat it. The person I spoke to said that if I coat the tank and it ever expands again it will not be replaced. Because coating it voids the warranty.

Has anyone heard the warranty issue before?
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K3V1N

Thanks, After reading these two post I agree and plan on coating it. You guys are right it isn't likely I would get another tank for a 07 S2R so I should coat it AND use a additive to control moisture to keep it from swelling as long as I can.

surgfish

Just got my monster 795, I took it out for a spin. After an hour, it overheated, then I heard popping sounds, I was surprised it was the tank.  I hurried home and while parked, I literally saw the whole tank popped off

ducatiz

Quote from: surgfish on May 15, 2012, 02:31:12 PM
Just got my monster 795, I took it out for a spin. After an hour, it overheated, then I heard popping sounds, I was surprised it was the tank.  I hurried home and while parked, I literally saw the whole tank popped off

the whole tank popped off???

what does that mean?

the M795 is an Asian market bike, I've never seen one in person..  but it has the same tank as the 696 i think
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Quote from: surgfish on May 15, 2012, 02:31:12 PM
Just got my monster 795, I took it out for a spin. After an hour, it overheated, then I heard popping sounds, I was surprised it was the tank.  I hurried home and while parked, I literally saw the whole tank popped off
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Quote from: surgfish on May 15, 2012, 02:31:12 PM
Just got my monster 795, I took it out for a spin. After an hour, it overheated, then I heard popping sounds, I was surprised it was the tank.  I hurried home and while parked, I literally saw the whole tank popped off

Gimme a break....   ???

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Quote from: ducpainter on May 10, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
ding ding ding...

So a 2011 796 shouldn't be an issue with the tank expanding?  I'm not that familiar with the bike yet, but I haven't seen anything unusual with it, other than a new noise that's driving me nuts.  [bang]

ducatiz

Quote from: SteveO. on May 16, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
So a 2011 796 shouldn't be an issue with the tank expanding?  I'm not that familiar with the bike yet, but I haven't seen anything unusual with it, other than a new noise that's driving me nuts.  [bang]

AFAIK, the 796 tank is a PA6 tank and will deform.  The 796 has a covered tank though so you may never see it.
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SteveO.

Quote from: ducatiz on May 16, 2012, 11:44:19 AM
AFAIK, the 796 tank is a PA6 tank and will deform.  The 796 has a covered tank though so you may never see it.

So should I be concerned about it, if it'll never be noticable?  Thanks for the info, I'm a noob trying to learn more about my new bike. ...Steve

ducatiz

Quote from: SteveO. on May 16, 2012, 11:55:34 AM
So should I be concerned about it, if it'll never be noticable?  Thanks for the info, I'm a noob trying to learn more about my new bike. ...Steve

Some folks have reported the panels being pushed out but I think that's the exception.  A little bit of preventive medicine (i.e. draining the tank when in storage) goes a long way to keeping the tank from absorbing water etc.
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El-Twin

Quote from: ducatiz on May 16, 2012, 12:19:34 PM
Some folks have reported the panels being pushed out but I think that's the exception.  A little bit of preventive medicine (i.e. draining the tank when in storage) goes a long way to keeping the tank from absorbing water etc.

If you top-up after every ride, thereby reducing the surface area of fuel exposed to the air, will this help to mitigate absorption?

This has been my running assumption, but I've been wrong before.
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