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Pakhan

#30
August 17, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 17, 2009, 09:40:21 AM
Well yeah, I understand in certain cases that bail should NOT be offered to a "defendant."

I just think it throws out that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.


who knows, you are a lawyer, I am a C-List Actor. What do I know?

Doesn't holding them then "throw out innocent till proven guilty"?  I mean if they are innocent, why are you holding them?
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spolic

#31
August 17, 2009, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: hihhs on August 15, 2009, 04:24:46 PM
From the article;
{Police said Augusto didn't have a required permit for the weapon used in the headline-grabbing shooting the Daily News called a "Pump-Action Ending."}

Somehow, I doubt the assailants guns had the required permits either...

all I have to say is: 2nd Admendment
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Pakhan

#32
August 17, 2009, 11:49:35 AM
Quote from: spolic on August 17, 2009, 11:36:08 AM
all I have to say is: 2nd Admendment

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ducatiz

#33
August 17, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: cyrus buelton on August 17, 2009, 11:04:13 AM
So it really comes down to the Judge

Almost everything in the court is.

Quote from: Pakhan on August 17, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Doesn't holding them then "throw out innocent till proven guilty"?  I mean if they are innocent, why are you holding them?

No, not if there is good cause to do it.  Remember there is a bail hearing where the prosecution has to state cause for denying bail.  Usually the main reason for denying bail is "flight risk" where the defendant has skipped bail previously or has a demonstrable likelihood of leaving town to avoid prosecution. 

Plus, where there is prima facie evidence, there is an almost perfect correlation of conviction.  Judges and juries love prima facie evidence, it's basically the equivalent of aan admissible video tape of the accused doing the crime.
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Pakhan

#34
August 17, 2009, 12:55:54 PM
That's my point though, held on bail or no bail does not mean guilty.  It's just prudent imho
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ducpainter

#35
August 17, 2009, 01:50:49 PM
This is getting kinda close....



just sayin' ;)
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#36
August 17, 2009, 02:45:57 PM
I don't think the argument here is whether or not he shot them, it's whether or not a crime was committed.  There is prima facia evidence that the shooting was justified, and legal.  Given the guys apparently clean history, he isn't a risk to society.  Absolutely no reason he should be locked up.
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ducatiz

#37
August 17, 2009, 05:33:18 PM
Quote from: Dan on August 17, 2009, 02:45:57 PM
I don't think the argument here is whether or not he shot them, it's whether or not a crime was committed.  There is prima facia evidence that the shooting was justified, and legal.  Given the guys apparently clean history, he isn't a risk to society.  Absolutely no reason he should be locked up.

talking about the perp, not the shopowner-shooter.

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ducatiz

#38
August 17, 2009, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on August 17, 2009, 01:50:49 PM
This is getting kinda close....



just sayin' ;)

just sayin'
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ducpainter

#39
August 17, 2009, 05:37:04 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on August 17, 2009, 05:34:49 PM
just sayin'

Gee tizz...

I was bein all friendly...

and you want to be confrontational?
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ducatiz

#40
August 17, 2009, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on August 17, 2009, 05:37:04 PM
Gee tizz...

I was bein all friendly...

and you want to be confrontational?

hell no, i was offering you a present! 

:-D
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Pakhan

#41
August 17, 2009, 07:07:55 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on August 17, 2009, 05:34:49 PM
just sayin'


1. Is that what I think it is?

and

2. Where can I get one......um....for a friend.....
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the_Journeyman

#42
August 17, 2009, 07:19:51 PM
FYI...  it's NOT a grenade.

As a gun owner, faced with the decision to pull the trigger and end the life of another person in order to defend the life of yet another person is the scariest part of knowing which end to point at the bad guy.  My wife and I live alone, no children.  If I *had* to I would end the life of an intruder once he endangered my wife.  If mine is the only life endangered, I'll happily go hand-to-hand rather than rely on the gun.

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Pakhan

#43
August 17, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on August 17, 2009, 07:19:51 PM
FYI...  it's NOT a grenade.

I didn't think it was a grenade  [evil]
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Howie

#44
August 17, 2009, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: Pakhan on August 17, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
I didn't think it was a grenade  [evil]

It could be what you think it is and also a grenade. 
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