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Started by tonkoshala, August 20, 2009, 02:24:07 PM

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tonkoshala

August 20, 2009, 02:24:07 PM
This is a first for me. I've changed out several tires on my S4....

When I even hand tighten the nut the axle spins. I have the bike off the stand and not luck. Anyone? Could it be the new wheels?

El Matador

#1
August 20, 2009, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: tonkoshala on August 20, 2009, 02:24:07 PM
This is a first for me. I've changed out several tires on my S4....

When I even hand tighten the nut the axle spins. I have the bike off the stand and not luck. Anyone? Could it be the new wheels?

have you tried putting the bike in gear?

ducpainter

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August 20, 2009, 02:45:44 PM
The wheels shouldn't have anything to do with it.
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tonkoshala

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August 20, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: El Matador on August 20, 2009, 02:26:08 PM
have you tried putting the bike in gear?


It's in gear I just put on a new sprocket...

That wouldn't make  a difference anyhow. It is the axle that is spinning. I have never had to use anything to hold the side opposite of the nut. Though it looks like it take a very large "star" hex socket....What am I doing wrong?

ducpainter

#4
August 20, 2009, 03:07:17 PM
You may have put a burr on the threads installing or removing it.

Hold the other end.
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tonkoshala

#5
August 20, 2009, 05:07:44 PM
I am using a titanium nut. Checked the threads and cleaned everything very well. Didn't notice any 'burrs.'

Any ideas on what to use to hold the axle? I am sure a hex that big will be pretty pricey.

ducpainter

#6
August 20, 2009, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: tonkoshala on August 20, 2009, 05:07:44 PM
I am using a titanium nut. Checked the threads and cleaned everything very well. Didn't notice any 'burrs.'

Any ideas on what to use to hold the axle? I am sure a hex that big will be pretty pricey.
maybe try threading the stock nut on?
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needtorque

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August 20, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
The largest Allen (hex) key I have found on a duc is a 14 mm .  A snap-on one cost me $15.  Any big tool shop should have one for cheaper than that.  If it is larger or you dont want to buy one there is an emergency tool you can make.  Find a metric bolt where the head of the bolt fits in the hex.  (there will be a size that fits perfectly)  Then run some nuts down on the bolt til they reach the head and put the head of the bolt in the axle on the hex side and use a wrench or socket to hole the nut.  With the nut run down the threads are in the tighten position while tightening the axle so it will not unscrew back off the bolt.
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Speeddog

#8
August 20, 2009, 05:43:09 PM
Most moto accessory shops will have a multi-hex tool, Motion Pro distributes 'em.



http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0397/

They've got an Aluminum one too, lighter and more $.

I'm pretty sure it will fit... measure up your axle to be sure.
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mdriver

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August 20, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
What are you using to tighten the nut on the side your working on? Isn't its just a 22mm nut on both sides?

Use a pair of adjustable wrenches if you cant find the correct socket.
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tonkoshala

#10
August 20, 2009, 09:57:21 PM
Quote from: mdriver on August 20, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
What are you using to tighten the nut on the side your working on? Isn't its just a 22mm nut on both sides?

Use a pair of adjustable wrenches if you cant find the correct socket.

No I only have one 30MM nut.

Quote from: Speeddog on August 20, 2009, 05:43:09 PM
Most moto accessory shops will have a multi-hex tool, Motion Pro distributes 'em.



http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0397/

They've got an Aluminum one too, lighter and more $.

I'm pretty sure it will fit... measure up your axle to be sure.

You have a S4. I'm sure we have the same axle. Do you use this when your installing a rear tire? What gets me is that it has never happened before...

tonkoshala

#11
August 20, 2009, 10:10:40 PM
Real PITA is that it's taken a month to get my wheels back. I have everything ready new sprockets new chain BSTs' installed and now I can't tighten down the rear axle lol...

Hey! Ya think fabing up a rubber gasket to keep it in place work ok?

ducpainter

#12
August 21, 2009, 03:30:16 AM
Is this Ti nut a new addition, or were you using it before?

Also how far on does it go before stopping?
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tonkoshala

#13
August 21, 2009, 05:04:13 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on August 21, 2009, 03:30:16 AM
Is this Ti nut a new addition, or were you using it before?

Also how far on does it go before stopping?

It's new. I tested it on the axle before installing everything. It would screw all the way down....I also tried the stock nut last night. No luck. Same thing...I mean hand torque with the socket and the axle spins. I am most likely not even getting 15 nm before this occurs. No way I can get 76 nm that it calls for. I even had someone sit on the bike and no luck.

tonkoshala

#14
August 21, 2009, 07:37:22 AM
No rubber gasket, but a lil bit of electrical tape around the end worked!  [thumbsup]
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