Tim Allen's Monster on ebay

[Monster Dave]

First, was this thread posted because it was a custom Monster for sale, because it was owned by Tim Allen, or because of the shock that Tim Allen really isnt' a member of Wild Hogs?  

I can see how the comments that Will posted could be taken the wrong way. It's clear to me that craftsmanship is a very personal pride topic and that people can very easily be offended by comments that aren't necessarily complimentary. I didn't really see anyone bashing it, but I don't think that saying that the work done was better than anyone else on this site or any other could have done - that's just a defensive reaction to perceived criticism.

Pictures don't always do justice to the finer points of work. So before this thread gets locked, lets all just play nice and agree that to some it's a nice bike, to some it's not their cup of tea, but in the end it's still a Monster and we love Monsters.

MonsterMash, the pics that you posted are fantastic; i love that bike. Will, the Allens' bike is a great looking Monster.

Peace.

[DrDesmo]

DrD, I dont take it personally, Im just posting here trying to help in my very limited spare time. My bikes are functional art, or at least I like to think of them that way. Huge amounts of time goes into every detail, like the grinign on the frame to remove the bubblegum OE welds.

To everyone, please dont offended to me being brash, Its just me, full throttle and very passionate.

 

Keep up the good work ... Interesting news about the forks.  Lots of little touches that look "easy" but aren't 

One quick question (not to nitpick) -- why didn't you guys switch the clutch master over to a nissin or similar unit to match the brake w/ integrated reservoir? Ratio issues due to the slave?

Cheers,
Adam

[RetroSBK]

Yeah.. if you look at the original article on the bike, we used a VFR750 unit, as it matched. When we went to the newer clutch assm, it made the lever pull pretty severe, and Tim requested we change it, so a 996 unit went on. Not my tatse, but not my bike.

Will

[ducpainter]

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Anyways, long story short, I can appreciate that some people like my work, and some people dont. ...... If you dont like my work, fine, but dont bash me for it. If you dont like me, bash away, Im an asshole and I know it . <snip>

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Will

We seem to have something in common.

[kingbaby]

GP style pipe pic #12 Grey/red S4R on the "Italday photos" thread.  Talkin' about a thread jack.

All three of these bikes are lookin' good here, but would one of you install one of these on your bikes...Pleeeaase.

PJ & I have been trying to figure out how to do this (correctly & classy) for a while on our 1098's. I went for the Akropovics on my 1098s because the only thing lighter was to have no collector at all (not an option).  They also kicked the crap out of EVERYTHING we tried on the Dyno (especially mid range)

[Monstermash]

Sorry if you are offended, but Gregg is the best. Thats why his client list includes RSD and WCC. The look of the swingarm may not be your taste, but the fabrication is beyond 99% of the guys that do it for a living.

 The only part that offended me was the fact that you act like there aren't a bunch of guys here that can do anything. I never said I didn't like the swingarm, I think someone else may have mentioned it but not me.

 I know you don't have a lot of time here but let me be the one to tell you there are a lot of talented people here on the DMF. Mark at MotoCreations, Stew, Norm and a bunch of others can work on my bike any time they like and coming from me, thats saying a lot. I never cease to be amazed and inspired by what I see here by our members. I have been a member here since the beginning as well as over at the old board and I take offense when someone insults the people I respect and consider family.

 

[hbliam]

When we built this bike, there wasnt a monster with Radial mount front brakes, and the CBR front end with Ohlins internals was simply amazing,

That's funny. I had an Ohlins front end with radial mount brakes on my '04 S4R in 2004. DP sold the kit complete with magnesium lower triple.

RE: Retro SBK bashing. I think we would all love to support you as a great fabricator/Ducati customizer but it's hard to get past all the self promotion, elitist comments, and arrogance.  Drop that and build the bikes. Then we will take care of all the arrogance for you when we tell everyone your stuff is the shit.

[roy-nexus-6]

As always, I'm 2 days late finding this thread.

Read the writeup carefully: why do I get the feeling that a LOT of information has been left out.. and that the writer lazily used the term 'no expense was spared' instead of listing the probably dozens of changes that have been made.

Bravo to the builder I say. I'm not knowledgable enough to judge how fine a build it is, but that bike leaves no one in any doubt that it is a Monster.  

I think a few comments made were a little imprudent given that:
1. this is a custom build; ie built for a customer - if the client wants something, the client gets it.
2. RetroSBK didn't write the article - so the wording associated with it isn't his.
3. In any build, there are always some decisions that are based on aesthetics, and not necessarily function ie it is an Artistic process. Aesthetics are personal - so saying 'oh, I would do this because it is better' (ie more functional) is meaningless.

.... it's hard to get past all the self promotion, elitist comments, and arrogance.  Drop that and build the bikes.

I re-read the thread - and honestly don't come away with the same impression: for example, when Will said 'Dave is the best in the business', I took that pretty much literally ie there are maybe a handful of people who can do work of the same quality.

Anyway, peace to all. I'm not gonna jack the thread with literary analysis. Damn fine bike in MHO. 

[RetroSBK]

Mash,

it wasnt a detraction from anyone... Im a fairly talented builder, or so Im told, but I have seen the best, and Gregg is one of the best. Like at a Jesse James level, and none of us are at that level, none.

Yeah, sorry if im lazy, I dont have a lot of time in my day to post and rewrite details that have been published in magazines. I really wish I did, but too much on the plate.

Sorry to anyone that was offended, hard to put tounge in cheek and expression into a post.

Back to the welder now...

Will

[TAftonomos]

I'm going to say something that will get me flamed I'm sure, but oh well.


You spend the dough on getting gregg to make a swingarm

You spend a lot of money on parts, but where is anything fabricated?

You didn't do anything "custom" to the bike at all, just a bunch of bolt ons.  And a pair of cheap air filters to boot.

The WORST part....the make the beast with two backsing ohlins shock resi is fastened to the frame with worm clamps and rubber blocks.  I mean, come on!

Other than that, it looks nice.  I need to go to marketing school.  If I can get a celeb name attached to the S4R I've built/building, it'll sell for 25K+.

[Monster Dave]

<snip>...Im a fairly talented builder, or so Im told,.... none of us are at that level, none.<snip>

<snip>Yeah, sorry if im lazy, I dont have a lot of time in my day to post and rewrite details that have been published in magazines. <snip>

It's comments like these that are getting people upset. You don't need to massage your ego, there was just a post about how people would be more willing to support you if you dropped the arrogant comments.

And the comment about the lazy usage of an expression didn't seem to be saying that you were lazy personally.

Come on people, ease off and let bygones be bygones. 

[superjohn]

The devil is in the details and that bike appears to be very well sussed out. I like it, and appreciate the work that went into it.

Editorial note: I'd normally not bother posting, but so many people we bashing, I thought I'd throw something positive in.

[hbliam]

I re-read the thread - and honestly don't come away with the same impression: for example, when Will said 'Dave is the best in the business', I took that pretty much literally ie there are maybe a handful of people who can do work of the same quality.

I was commenting on his presence on the DMF as a whole. 

[m1moto]

Mark at MotoCreations, Stew, Norm and a bunch of others can work on my bike any time they like

Mark and Stew can work on my bike... 

As for the bike in question, I dig the graphics on the tank & tail and the black/gunmetal color scheme on the engine

[kingbaby]

Tim Allen??   Cmon, that dude is such a tool...

I worked on the bikes on the Wild Hogs set in Albuquerque for a couple of weeks. And with all the rain, crowds of fans, never the right parts, & bikes crashed or dropped constantly. The only thing..or person that bothered me (and there were some BIG stars in this movie) was Tim, funny as hell on stage, but...   I'l leave it at that. 

The WORST part....the make the beast with two backsing ohlins shock resi is fastened to the frame with worm clamps and rubber blocks.  I mean, come on!

Thats custom baby !!! 

I would like to see more parts from Gregg if you guys can send some pics.  I have been blessed to work with some of the big H-D builders, Jesse, Bily Lane Choppers inc., Gene @ Bartel's H-D, Paul @ Exile cycles, Mark Warrick @ Soncy Road. I am now working with Jeff @ PJ's  Ducati doing a bike for UFC fighter Keith Jardine. using a S2R, and his welding skills are as good without a doubt as any I have seen.  Would liked to do something with Stewart in the future...Hint, Hint.

Feedback to the builder is everything.  Keep it constructive and artists listen.   
Remember it is easy to love people who love you back.